Why is it "womens choice" when it comes to abortion because its her body, but not for pregnancy ?

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It does seem like we're reaching that point where men should be allowed to opt-out of fatherhood, in the same way that women are. Or it will be in be future, since opting out of pregnancy is actually becoming more taboo as conservatives continue to try and out-law it.
Both parties should be held equally responsible, but they should also have equal say in the future of that child too.
A government mandated percentage of their earnings should go toward their child's day care, food, clothing, and schooling.
It's an interesting and frustrating issue, because it is a woman's body issue, but it also impacts the man's life (if he's responsible).
Men do opt out! Look at all these ABANDONED mothers. If a man wants to fukk BUT doesn't want to raise the resulting children, he's a fakkit and he needs a boyfriend. A real man won't get a woman pregnant and dip. A real man WOULD NOT WANT TO opt out. This is fakkit logic. Opt out? How about start fukking men, since you hate women so much. I don't know why these dudes won't admit they love booty and dikk meat.
 

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Don't have sex with women you wouldn't want to have a baby with, sex can lead to pregnancy.
Sadly there's an entire thread on male sexual irresponsibility with dudes knowing they've dodged bullets proclaiming that they still aren't changing their approach.
Some of the reasoning in that thread :mindblown:
But they want to place everything on women being irresponsible and not accepting accountability.
 

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Sadly there's an entire thread on male sexual irresponsibility with dudes knowing they've dodged bullets proclaiming that they still aren't changing their approach.
Some of the reasoning in that thread :mindblown:
But they want to place everything on women being irresponsible and not accepting accountability.

I've noticed

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Men do opt out! Look at all these ABANDONED mothers. If a man wants to fukk BUT doesn't want to raise the resulting children, he's a fakkit and he needs a boyfriend. A real man won't get a woman pregnant and dip. A real man WOULD NOT WANT TO opt out. This is fakkit logic. Opt out? How about start fukking men, since you hate women so much. I don't know why these dudes won't admit they love booty and dikk meat.
Chill, I'm not saying all that. It's the theory behind the nonmedical need for a woman to "opt-out" of a pregnancy if she realizes it has a negative effect on her future. The same would (theoretically) apply to men.
I don't hate women, I don't have unprotected sex (I have Christian morals against premarital sex, even though I'm now atheistic), and I don't think men who don't want kids are trying to hide homosexuality.
 

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Maybe all women should deny men sex until those men could prove that they are financially stable enough to afford a baby, I think that would be a very responsible decision.
Men should advocate for more birth control methods that they have control over. Some of them are safer and more reliable than the hormonal stuff women take.

And use the ones already available; condoms and vasectomies.

Take more responsibility for their own sexual health and outcomes instead of relying mainly on one person who they don't trust and/or can easily make mistakes with lifelong consequences.
 

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Go get pregnant. You can't get pregnant like the average women? Just like the average women isn't as physically able as the average male?

Thete is no EQUALITY in pregnancy. Men can't get fukking pregnant.

There isn't equality. If a woman wants to keep the baby and the man does not she should be able to put him on child support. The courts almost always rule in favour of the mother winning custody. Governments want to keep people in poverty this is why they reward single mothers with welfare.
 

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You can just tell how some threads will turn out based on the the title :heh:

On topic, there's nothing "fair" about pregnancy. Yeah, men won't have a say in whether or not a woman who we got pregnant will keep the child or not. But we're not carrying a growing baby around for nine months or having to give birth to it either. Like a lot of things in life, it's a trade off. IMO, as long as we strap up, especially with women we know we don't want kids with, it's a trade off where men make out like bandits :ehh:


I will say that condoms fail. Even for the breh who uses them every single time. And women do have a lot more options for contraceptives than men, and more effective ones at that. Condoms may fail only 2% of the time with perfect use, but even if you do manage to use them correctly every single time, the more you use them, the more likely it is you'll eventually fukk up.

All I know is they need to hurry the hell up on that male birth control pill. Give us a more idiot-proof contraceptive option:myman:

Until then though, strap up. Or be more choosy about who you sleep with. Or ideally, both
 

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Actually it's a shared responsibility when it comes to the child.
Nobody is gonna make the man carry the baby for 20 weeks
Or alternate pushing in the delivery room.

You guys can call it hypocritical or unfair. But it's just a fact biologically.

Men can't get pregnant.
Women can.

We ALL know where babies come from. If you guys don't want to get caught up in this whole "zomg it's so unfair that if she gets pregnant she is gonna be able to do what she wants and not what I want!"

Don't fukk then. Can't be a victim of these horrible unfair rules if you don't fukk or knock anybody up.

Sleep with people you know and trust. Only trust your birth control methods to yourself.
Feel free to get a vasectomy which is extremely easily reversible.

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Just curious. Is this your attitude when it comes to all systematic inequalities regarding the law? Like when you hear blacks denouncing the inequalities in the legal system, is response just "hey don't get arrested if you don't want to deal with the inequality"? This is a discussion about inequality when it comes to parental rights and obligations and your response is basically "hey just don't get women pregnant and you won't have to deal with the unfair laws". You're not really adding anything intelligent to the discussion.
 

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well rape is a fukking crime in which 1 party has no choice [be they a male or female victim] to engage in sexual activity
and consensual sex between adults isnt, both partners willingly decide to engage in sexual activity


the 2 are not one in the same.. its really creepy that you associate the 2 in the same way . but rock on
Youre welcome to compare and contrast the the 2 amongst your like minded coli brehs though
you probably dont need to because some way somehow its all just a trick to take advantage of innocent men.
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:whoa:y'all might wanna check my history. I'm not one of these c00n black women hating negros.

My point in bringing the extreme in rape was simply to show how dumb that statement you made sounded.

You honestly think because a man got a female pregnant he should have no say? Fact is A lot of pregnancies happen by mistake. So to allow one party to dictate someone's life is unfair. It's seem like most of y'all have no clear thought. The men are hell bent on riding for they gender & females the same

There should be "outs" for both men & women. If a man doesnt want the child & the female does. The man should have all rights taken from him once said child is born. Along with that some initial money should be taken from the father. Afterwards for the first 8yrs child support is taken.

Same if the females doesn't want the child.

It's too many instances of partners "trapping" they s/o
 

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Just curious. Is this your attitude when it comes to all systematic inequalities regarding the law? Like when you hear blacks denouncing the inequalities in the legal system, is response just "hey don't get arrested if you don't want to deal with the inequality"? This is a discussion about inequality when it comes to parental rights and obligations and your response is basically "hey just don't get women pregnant and you won't have to deal with the unfair laws". You're not really adding anything intelligent to the discussion.

youre just saying random shyt right now.

Women get pregnant and carry babies.
this is NOT in any way shape or form some "unequal application of the law"
and i see where your mind is at that you think this is at all comparable to racial discrimination in the justice system
its not.
you know its not.

Black man arrested for drug possesion- felony and jail time
white man arrested for drug possession- treatment rehab and probation

woman gets pregnant and can decide whether to carry the pregnancy to term or abort
men get pregnant and dont get to choose?

do you see where that bullshyt doesnt work?

men cant get pregnant. when the time comes that men can get pregnant i 1000% support your right to also choose if you would like to carry to term or abort.

you claim this is a disvussion about the "inequality when it comes to parental rights and obligations "

thats not what this thread was about. this thread started out as a whine because oh boohoo women have all the choice to have an abortion.

i am a 2nd wife to a 2nd husband so i have actual lived experience being a custodial parent and a non custodial step parent.
if anyone actually wanted to discuss some of the inherent bias in the family court system and the horrors of Parental alienation i would be happy to do so. Thats that what this thread is about .
 

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:whoa:y'all might wanna check my history. I'm not one of these c00n black women hating negros.

My point in bringing the extreme in rape was simply to show how dumb that statement you made sounded.

You honestly think because a man got a female pregnant he should have no say? Fact is A lot of pregnancies happen by mistake. So to allow one party to dictate someone's life is unfair. It's seem like most of y'all have no clear thought. The men are hell bent on riding for they gender & females the same

There should be "outs" for both men & women. If a man doesnt want the child & the female does. The man should have all rights taken from him once said child is born. Along with that some initial money should be taken from the father. Afterwards for the first 8yrs child support is taken.

Same if the females doesn't want the child.

It's too many instances of partners "trapping" they s/o

i addressed this earlier in the thread.
society will not let people just opt out of supporting children because they want to.
not because society gives a fukk if children have a parent or 10 or even good parents
but because at the very minimum society wants both parents to have to contribute to the financial support of the child.
theres not a court in America thats gonna sign off on you just deciding you dont want to be a parent because you dont.

im not sure why you guys keep bringing up this unfair bullshyt.
life is unfair. things will happen to you every single day that are unfair.

this has nothing to do with me "riding for my gender" I am riding for reality
if you guys feel women trick you and conspire against you
the court systems are against you
and the entire system is just set up to reward women for being breeders

then you men NEED TO TAKE CARE OF YOURSELVES and your birth own birth control and not trust another person to do so for you.

this isnt a man or woman issue at all.
this is a protect yourself issue.
 

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:whoa:y'all might wanna check my history. I'm not one of these c00n black women hating negros.

My point in bringing the extreme in rape was simply to show how dumb that statement you made sounded.

You honestly think because a man got a female pregnant he should have no say? Fact is A lot of pregnancies happen by mistake. So to allow one party to dictate someone's life is unfair. It's seem like most of y'all have no clear thought. The men are hell bent on riding for they gender & females the same

There should be "outs" for both men & women. If a man doesnt want the child & the female does. The man should have all rights taken from him once said child is born. Along with that some initial money should be taken from the father. Afterwards for the first 8yrs child support is taken.

Same if the females doesn't want the child.

It's too many instances of partners "trapping" they s/o

Nope.

In this situation both adults choose, as a women she choose not to get on birth control, have sex, and let a man go in her raw. The guy chooses to have sex, not use birth control and go in a female raw. The both did have outs.

Rape victims have no choice ever. Them having sex with who who they choose to have sex with has nothing to do with rape. Virgins get raped, people who surround themselves with people they trust get raped. What you said is not only extreme, it has nothing to do with this type of argument and it makes no sense.
 

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I don't think it's right to force anyone to become a dad. Too many women constantly decided to bring children into the world with no father. Yes I understand that nikkas should man up but I don't understand why men have zero say in what the future of the child will be.



I think that the way it should work is the mother should choose to abort or not since it is her body. But if she has the kid and the pop wishes to not be there that's on her.
 

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i addressed this earlier in the thread.
society will not let people just opt out of supporting children because they want to.
not because society gives a fukk if children have a parent or 10 or even good parents
but because at the very minimum society wants both parents to have to contribute to the financial support of the child.
theres not a court in America thats gonna sign off on you just deciding you dont want to be a parent because you dont.

im not sure why you guys keep bringing up this unfair bullshyt.
life is unfair. things will happen to you every single day that are unfair.

this has nothing to do with me "riding for my gender" I am riding for reality
if you guys feel women trick you and conspire against you
the court systems are against you
and the entire system is just set up to reward women for being breeders

then you men NEED TO TAKE CARE OF YOURSELVES and your birth own birth control and not trust another person to do so for you.

this isnt a man or woman issue at all.
this is a protect yourself issue.
It obviously it is a men/women issue because you are making it as one. Everything I stated centers around both sexes. Not just benefiting one or the other. And if all the courts care about are financial responsibility why wouldn't a pay out work?

But I think I've seen a few of your post regarding men in other threads. :patrice:So ima fall back:dame:
 
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