Didn't say it was my opinion, just said that was a well-documented opinion. It's a double edged sword with Nas more than with anyone else, because like I said, that cloud of 'Illmatic' has done him some harm when it's come to moving on with his life and career. To THIS DAY, there's people who'll pitch a fit over him not working with Pete Rock or Premo anymore. In some ways, he's probably been the most criticized rapper ever- not that he hasn't made some shyt worthy of criticism, but he catches it from all sides. If a lot of his fans and critics had it their way, he'd have gone his whole career making 'Illmatic' over and over, and he'd probably be on Duck Down Records selling 7000 copies right now.
Why is Kanye getting a pass? Nas caught hell when he "sold out"
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Didn't say it was my opinion, just said that was a well-documented opinion. It's a double edged sword with Nas more than with anyone else, because like I said, that cloud of 'Illmatic' has done him some harm when it's come to moving on with his life and career. To THIS DAY, there's people who'll pitch a fit over him not working with Pete Rock or Premo anymore. In some ways, he's probably been the most criticized rapper ever- not that he hasn't made some shyt worthy of criticism, but he catches it from all sides. If a lot of his fans and critics had it their way, he'd have gone his whole career making 'Illmatic' over and over, and he'd probably be on Duck Down Records selling 7000 copies right now.
Nah IM not going at you I'm going at the masses who say Nas sold out.
NO such thing as selling out.
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Piff Perkins
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I'm surprised people are complaining about Kanye's latest stuff (WTT, Mercy, etc). He's been getting more and more back to "regular" hip hop lately. Dark Fantasy had some pop elements but let's not forget it was a dark album that was pretty damn hip hop. Lyrically he wasn't selling out on that album by any stretch of the imagination. The nikka was sonning white people left and white - and they still gave him near perfect reviews. That's how good it was 
WTT features a lot of house sensibilities, even some dubstep. Kanye has been focusing on "new" songs for awhile so that's nothing new. College Dropout was standard soul loops, but LR was completely orchestrated in a way no one was doing. But Graduation was house and rather Euro-based and Kanye's been on that tip since; as that music evolves, Kanye introduces it to hip hop. I see nothing wrong with that IF the music produced is good. Personally I didn't like Graduation, and I'm ehhh on WTT. But I think Mercy is dope as hell.
WTT features a lot of house sensibilities, even some dubstep. Kanye has been focusing on "new" songs for awhile so that's nothing new. College Dropout was standard soul loops, but LR was completely orchestrated in a way no one was doing. But Graduation was house and rather Euro-based and Kanye's been on that tip since; as that music evolves, Kanye introduces it to hip hop. I see nothing wrong with that IF the music produced is good. Personally I didn't like Graduation, and I'm ehhh on WTT. But I think Mercy is dope as hell.
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Hussein Fonzarelli
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LOL
I swear you cant find these kinds of retarded useless meaningless back and forth debates on any other music genre forum other than hip-hop
Its.....i dont know...its just......its just sad
LOL
I swear you cant find these kinds of retarded useless meaningless back and forth debates on any other music genre forum other than hip-hop
Its.....i dont know...its just......its just sad
classicmaterial
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Read like five responses so I may repeat shyt.....
He never sold out cause he always done whatever he wanted and evolved as an artist
He was still half broke on College Dropout and was clearly heavily influenced, hip hop wise, by Common Tribe and all that but also RZA
His sound has changed cause his career changed and he always wanted to be the best ever and he's working towards that, but proving he can do whatever he wants and make it sound dope
Lyrically, he's grown. From punchline filled verses to actual full verses. Don't get me wrong, a verse full of punchlines is dope, but you can't make 5 albums of that or else people stop listening. He wanted to be the best so he started crafting true verses and songs and created hits along with hidden gems since every album is solid basically from start to finish (Gorgeous is one of the best lyrically brilliant tracks ever, hidden on an album full of hits)
Nas sold out cause he went from "Street's Disiciple" to "Escobar"....Kanye never had a personality change, he been arrogant since day one. His music has changed not to fit a style but to create whatever style he wants, or wants to take and do better than anyone else (808s and Heartbreak)
Aight I'm done rambling....
He never sold out cause he always done whatever he wanted and evolved as an artist
He was still half broke on College Dropout and was clearly heavily influenced, hip hop wise, by Common Tribe and all that but also RZA
His sound has changed cause his career changed and he always wanted to be the best ever and he's working towards that, but proving he can do whatever he wants and make it sound dope
Lyrically, he's grown. From punchline filled verses to actual full verses. Don't get me wrong, a verse full of punchlines is dope, but you can't make 5 albums of that or else people stop listening. He wanted to be the best so he started crafting true verses and songs and created hits along with hidden gems since every album is solid basically from start to finish (Gorgeous is one of the best lyrically brilliant tracks ever, hidden on an album full of hits)
Nas sold out cause he went from "Street's Disiciple" to "Escobar"....Kanye never had a personality change, he been arrogant since day one. His music has changed not to fit a style but to create whatever style he wants, or wants to take and do better than anyone else (808s and Heartbreak)
Aight I'm done rambling....
Can you imagine this lost ass nikka trying to perform songs off CD or LR now..
No really imagine this Molly popping diva trying to perform Drug Dealing off CD, shyt wouldn't even look right.
Better yet if Def Poetry was still around imagine him trying to take the stage now. He's a fukking zombie. Pure Shadow of himself and his fans are literally chalking it up to " he always did what he wanted to do"
Remember how ill Diamonds from Sierra Lione was ? Remember how ill crack music was? ( Molly poppin fakkit)
Wake up Kanye (Bernie MAC voice + Violin in the background )
No really imagine this Molly popping diva trying to perform Drug Dealing off CD, shyt wouldn't even look right.
Better yet if Def Poetry was still around imagine him trying to take the stage now. He's a fukking zombie. Pure Shadow of himself and his fans are literally chalking it up to " he always did what he wanted to do"
Remember how ill Diamonds from Sierra Lione was ? Remember how ill crack music was? ( Molly poppin fakkit)
Wake up Kanye (Bernie MAC voice + Violin in the background )
prophecypro
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Nas was boxed in from Illmatic as being the underground street dude in the 90s, so when he "sold out" he caught heat from it from heads as rappers during that era would
Kanye from the jump was always seen as slightly alternative even when making music within the lane of black music. So I guess they give him more rope.
Kanye from the jump was always seen as slightly alternative even when making music within the lane of black music. So I guess they give him more rope.
More rope and he's certainly making himself look like a fool. nikkas wanted him to ourself Curly for a reason. Everything he represented was hip hop.
Now his music is microwaved bull shyt. With that Adlib..
Jesus Christ
that adlib
Now his music is microwaved bull shyt. With that Adlib..
Jesus Christ
that adlibI agree. The good half of MBDTF is better than all his albums except LR.
Sometimes I think critics want you to fall so they praise you at your weakest moment.
Where was the praise when he got at George Bush?
Where was the praise for Diamonds From Sieara Lione?
Where was the praise for Flashing Lights?
His content isn't anywhere near as creative as it used to be. He clearly doesn't give a fukk now. Even the artists on his label have no connection to him.
The original good music team were connected to him in some way. A genuine connecition and it played a role in the art he created.
Leave that mercy shyt to 2chainz
Leave that H.a.m shyt for Rozay
Leave that autotune shyt to T.Pain and Cudi
We want that Chi town, soulful, ye you crazy for this one shyt
Where was the praise when he got at George Bush?
Where was the praise for Diamonds From Sieara Lione?
Where was the praise for Flashing Lights?
His content isn't anywhere near as creative as it used to be. He clearly doesn't give a fukk now. Even the artists on his label have no connection to him.
The original good music team were connected to him in some way. A genuine connecition and it played a role in the art he created.
Leave that mercy shyt to 2chainz
Leave that H.a.m shyt for Rozay
Leave that autotune shyt to T.Pain and Cudi
We want that Chi town, soulful, ye you crazy for this one shyt