Why is Libya considered such a foreign policy disaster?

[Trajan]

A civil war had already popped off. The West just stopped him from bombing his own citizens with impunity.

Gaddafi should've been allowed to continue massacring the opposition?

I don't see the outrage.

 

[hashmander]

from my perspective, yeah let gaddafi do what he has to do. it's proven that the alternative to muslim dictators is a worse option.

 

[Scoop]

Country is destroyed, economy collapsing, ISIS now has major operations there...

 

[plushcarpet]

the problem is that we meddle in shyt that isn't our own, fukk it up worse, leave and then look for a new place to fukk up

Is Libya better off now?
Is Iraq?
Is Afghanastan?
Is Syria?
most importantly, is the USA?

Who cares if he's a dictator? Is he worse than a government run by banks and wall street? Were his people being shot daily by police? Were they being thrown in jail for marijuana? Was he constantly drone striking other countries? Sending his citizens off to war to die?

the USA does all of that

 

[Trajan]

from my perspective, yeah let gaddafi do what he has to do. it's proven that the alternative to muslim dictators is a worse option.

He had fighter jets and he wasn't going to go easily. I mean morally...it's a bit to just watch entire neighbourhoods get levelled while motherfukkas plead for help.

Country is destroyed, economy collapsing, ISIS now has major operations there...

But that's the thing. Libya was always fractured along regional and tribal lines. These fault lines just became exposed. By the time the West got involved shyt was already in gear...all the factions were separate fighting bodies united with the common purpose of toppling Gaddafi. Regardless of what happened...they were always going to fight for supremacy.

Say the West never got involved...they still fight, the country is still destroyed, the economy still collapses and ISIS pops up in the vacuum.

The only thing the West did was to extinguish a long drawn out civil war between the regime and rebels like Syria.

 

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[Starman]

A civil war had already popped off. The West just stopped him from bombing his own citizens with impunity.

Gaddafi should've been allowed to continue massacring the opposition?

I don't see the outrage.

How do you think the Federal Government would fight a civil war?

 

[Trajan]

How do you think the Federal Government would fight a civil war?

A bit more evenly balanced than that

Situations where only one side has airpower and used to bomb civilians occur in places that revolve around one man and which are at the mercy his whim.

For example, in the recent attempted coup in Turkey, the renegades tried to shoot ppl down with choppers but officers opposed to them used fighter jets to shoot them down.

America would probably be like that.

 

[AyahuascaSippin]

Your perspective seems to be built on a western msm narrative which is why youre probably so puzzled. If destroying a thriving secular African nation, increasing francophone influence in the region/continent and leaving a barren wasteland for groups we funded to build some kind of death cult were the objectives - well then it was a success, not a disaster.

 

[Trajan]

Your perspective seems to be built on a western msm narrative which is why youre probably so puzzled. If destroying a thriving secular African nation, increasing francophone influence in the region/continent and leaving a barren wasteland for groups we funded to build some kind of death cult were the objectives - well then it was a success, not a disaster.

Far from it. I'm anti Western imperialism but I call it like I see it.

Your thriving secular nation was a despotic regime ran by the same guy since 1969 and where his Green Book was required study for all school children.

Ok so what would you ideal solution have been? Let them bang it out with Gaddafi despite his air superiority ?

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Conservatives wanted oil and contracts.

Liberals want to see a European esque country in Libya.

 

[Starman]

A bit more evenly balanced than that

Situations where only one side has airpower and used to bomb civilians occur in places that revolve around one man and which are at the mercy his whim.

For example, in the recent attempted coup in Turkey, the renegades tried to shoot ppl down with choppers but officers opposed to them used fighter jets to shoot them down.

America would probably be like that.

The only thing the West did was to extinguish a long drawn out civil war between the regime and rebels like Syria.

You seem to want a "balanced" response, but a quick end to the conflict simultaneously.

 

[Deutsche Bank]

I love how Americans believe international uprisings are always natural and that we only get involved later on *chuckle*

The American electorate is about to allow identity politics to cause them to sleepwalk into the final book of the Bible lol

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

from my perspective, yeah let gaddafi do what he has to do. it's proven that the alternative to muslim dictators is a worse option.

We didn't know that at the time. It was all happening at once.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

the problem is that we meddle in shyt that isn't our own, fukk it up worse, leave and then look for a new place to fukk up

Is Libya better off now?
Is Iraq?
Is Afghanastan?
Is Syria?
most importantly, is the USA?

Who cares if he's a dictator? Is he worse than a government run by banks and wall street? Were his people being shot daily by police? Were they being thrown in jail for marijuana? Was he constantly drone striking other countries? Sending his citizens off to war to die?

the USA does all of that

This gotta be one of the dumbest things I've seen all week on here.