Why is life so hard for good people?
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Complexion
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Where are people getting this train of thinking from? Thats pure fiction. I know quite a few people who are very rich/powerful, did it by getting ill and are generally pretty wicked by any measure you can test. Yet they also have droves of people waiting to kiss their ass, work with them or generally be associated as they are known to get it in and people want to be down with the king.
Granted they are charismatic as that often comes as the velvet glove that houses their iron first but there are also some of the quintessential "do gooders" that, like Dangerfield, get no respect and are still striving in their own way. It was actually the immense contrast between them that inspired the topic so I maybe I should've just lead with the real life illustration anyway...
I'm sure most reading have their own examples of people they've known at either ends of the spectrum. Or maybe they don't. Either way its a topic thats up for discussion.
What if your god is actually the devil and this is a huge confidence trick in which he's the good cop and bad cop in the same instance? Not for nothing but the first and oldest sources of worship across the planet and many peoples/myths is always a Trickster being hence the two face thing. Old dogs don't often learn new tricks or am I not being Sirius?
I'd totally disagree with this because this realm is scripted, I've seen the programing language and it can be tested as its entirely predictable on a personal or collective level. Its why I can say that by 2025th the foundations of the next stage of the Game will be in place and it will become exceedingly obvious we're in a simulation at that moment to those who think. Most won't care or even notice as they'll be drawn towards the scenes which are being built as we speak. Feel free to quote it when it happens.
If you meant time is an illusion in the sense there is but one moment and the past are its imprints whilst future a projection then I agree entirely.
sometimes "innocent" is a phrase I would use about some people, who just seem to have an idealistic view of the world, I know people like that for sure.
They usually truly believe in things like hard work, respect, karma, they are shocked at the ugliness of the world
but sometimes ignorance of the world isn't the same as a "good person"
and often they have a different/more traditional moral code, but what else is traditional? Conservatism. Historical oppression.
They usually truly believe in things like hard work, respect, karma, they are shocked at the ugliness of the world
but sometimes ignorance of the world isn't the same as a "good person"
and often they have a different/more traditional moral code, but what else is traditional? Conservatism. Historical oppression.
BK The Great
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This thread got me thinking of this song and how Guru spoke about this same question
IIVI
Superstar
You're wathcing too many movies man. I work in tech, some of the richest people around pound-for-pound. a$$holes get screened out and things like Linkedin exist to track reputations. Those who are decent people and not even all that talented will still have people vouch for them because they're nice. While an equally talented a$$hole will have nobody say anything about them. 5-10 years of experience and nobody wants to vouch or endorse you is a red flag.
If you think life is going bad, try being more of an a$$hole. I'm sure that'll work for the best
a$$holes with talent, sure, but they're only making it harder.
A respectful person with talent though is probably having a much easier route.
If you're mediocre/average and choosing to be an a$$hole, you're being an idiot straight up.
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Exactly what I meant, so the notion that not enough people are on schedule to awaken kinda goes out the window. Everybody is right on time, you included.
Be real, be present and watch the ripple effect on the people in your life.
60% of people under 30 having a suspended license is likely people doing exactly what you did, being aware of consequences, and choosing to play dodgeball.
You knew you were supposed to be insured to drive your car. You ignored that and faced the consequence. You're now met with a bigger expense and didn't prioritize handling that to avoid further issues.
Saying your license shouldn't be suspended for not paying for any kind of violation is just you wanting to do what you want to do. I'm not seeing any realm where the consequence doesn't match the violation, and it's hard to feel for that when you know that and still make choice anyway.
You're wathcing too many movies man. I work in tech, some of the richest people around pund-for-pound. a$$holes get screened out and things like Linkedin exist to track reputations. Those who are decent people and not even all that talented will still have people vouch for them because they're nice. While an equally talented a$$hole will have nobody say anything about them. 5-10 years of experience and nobody wants to vouch for you is a red flag.
If you think life is going bad, try being more of an a$$hole. I'm sure that'll work for the best
a$$holes with talent, sure, but they're only making it harder.
A respectful person with talent though is probably having a much easier route.
If you're mediocre and an a$$hole you're being an idiot.
ha, this is on point, but also narrow categorically. People in tech have their own blind spots, and values, and some intensely value some form of virtue, or perceived virute, which stems from Sillicon Valley ethos of counter culture, hacking/ look at googles own "Do No Evil"
but consider a place like Deutche Bank or Exxon Mobile, or BP or the SInaloa Cartel
but also, up close and personal, some of those guys are great. Generous, polite (this is big in the upper levels of society) hospitable. If you are at a dinner at their home, they will be your best friend.
Complexion
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You're wathcing too many movies man. I work in tech, some of the richest people around pund-for-pound. a$$holes get screened out and things like Linkedin exist to track reputations. Those who are decent people and not even all that talented will still have people vouch for them because they're nice. While an equally talented a$$hole will have nobody say anything about them. 5-10 years of experience and nobody wants to vouch for you is a red flag.
If you think life is going bad, try being more of an a$$hole. I'm sure that'll work
Well, we obviously move in different circles as most of those I know are self employed and own their own things but I can see what you're saying. It seems a bit naive though. Even in the field of tech. If you take it up to the scions who look at those beneath them they have often done things quite ill to rack up those billions and that is the entire point of this thread. Thing is you already know this though and yet want to speak from a limited perspective on purpose whilst missing the details.
Why is that?
I find it fascinating that this topic is creating these type of reactions though. Quite new in that respect and very interesting.
It is common sense breh.
When you snake enough people, you develop a bad reputation. I'm not going to get into looking over your shoulders fukkery criminals have to do because that doesn't apply to most people.
For the average man, you snake enough people they will stop trusting you. It is harder to call on people for favour, people will just start avoiding you. Within your office, pay attention to what's going on around. Peep the people who bounce from department to department, how certain people get twitchy when people from their old place of work show up.
People will actively warn you to watch your back around certain people.
And even if so, nothing will change the fate of humanity on this earth. Children will continue to be born and people will die regardless of what we believe to be real or fantasy.
I would rather believe that one day there will be redemption for all the wronged than simply follow the path of doom.
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Me going purely into tech as an example was kind of to emphasize, like most things, it depends. There's nuance to apply for everything, so saying things like "Life is harder for good people" ain't a fact as the opposite can clearly be proven.
It really just depends.
Some people can absolutely ruin their life if they go onto be more of an a$$hole while a nice person who who stands up for themselves more from being walked all over, while still being respectful will have an enormous quality of life improvement. There's so few W's to stack if you're an ordinary person and an a$$hole.
It's more excusable the more talented you are at something, and even then most people will not want to work with you. A lot of artists have actually destroyed their musical careers for being a known a$$hole, while some good-natured people have aged gracefully and continue to get work and respect for example.
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Busted_Toes
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Makes me think of a video i saw recently, there are people that have an allergy to water. Just constant torture. 
So sweating, crying or showering puts her in intense pain & itching. Was she a dictator in her past life and this is her karma? Or did she choose this life to learn? Can't even live normally
So sweating, crying or showering puts her in intense pain & itching. Was she a dictator in her past life and this is her karma? Or did she choose this life to learn? Can't even live normally
Complexion
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Lets just say we disagree on this and me tapping the keys any more in response would be a waste of time and effort for both of us at this moment. I may return to the topic later but based on this exchange we're on the same page but in different books. In the interim here's a duo of articles I think you'll enjoy reading:
The bad behavior of the richest: what I learned from wealth managers
While those in poverty are called lazy, the idle rich are dubbed bon vivants
www.theguardian.com
Is rich people’s bad behaviour worse than that of the less well-off?
Examples of misdemeanours are everywhere
www.ft.com
So, are you saying that with a hands on your ears "Im not listening" kind of flex or if there was a way to be truly certain with your own direct gnosis of the ground as it stands would you take it? Even then, lets say you find its the flip from what you expect would the dissonance make you discount it versus your investment in what you think it is or could you accept the cold new reality that sets in when you know you know, first hand and direct.
Or is that something you can't even imagine and thus won't even partake in this thought experiment as you bump against the self imposed limits of perception you've tacitly accepted based on previous experience.
And yet, the most successful in this world often are. Some hide it behind a veneer and PR deals that cast them in a certain light whereas others ride it as a brand to generate recognition. The facts as they stand are exactly as I laid out in the OP and thats nice guys finish last whereas bad man get the money, power and respect. The corporate realm is rife with this type of deception and its pretty much expected. You already know this.
Can you say why someone who seems intelligent is responding with a complete lack of nuance in this thread? Is my communication the problem? Is it not clear and lucid with the examples provided? What is causing the confusion? Genuinely asking. This is open to anyone reading as well as I've never had such a divisive topic filled with nitpicking and I've posted some pretty wild things on that which people hold dear to them previously with much clearer discussion.
What is it about this topic, I'm wondering.
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Superstar
You're using a real small subset of people at the very very very top of life. Most people won't ever reach that level because they aren't as naturally talented or lucky.Lets just say we disagree on this and me tapping the keys any more in response would be a waste of time and effort for both of us at this moment. I may return to the topic later but based on this exchange we're on the same page but in different books. In the interim here's a duo of articles I think you'll enjoy reading:
The bad behavior of the richest: what I learned from wealth managers
While those in poverty are called lazy, the idle rich are dubbed bon vivants
Is rich people’s bad behaviour worse than that of the less well-off?
Examples of misdemeanours are everywhere
So, are you saying that with a hands on your ears "Im not listening" kind of flex or if there was a way to be truly certain with your own direct gnosis of the ground as it stands would you take it? Even then, lets say you find its the flip from what you expect would the dissonance make you discount it versus your investment in what you think it is or could you accept the cold new reality that sets in when you know you know, first hand and direct.
Or is that something you can't even imagine and thus won't even partake in this thought experiment as you bump against the self imposed limits of perception you've tacitly accepted based on previous experience.
And yet, the most successful in this world often are. Some hide it behind a veneer and PR deals that cast them in a certain light whereas others ride it as a brand to generate recognition. The facts as they stand are exactly as I laid out in the OP and thats nice guys finish last whereas bad man get the money, power and respect.
Can you say why someone who seems intelligent is responding with a complete lack of nuance in this thread? Is my communication the problem? Is it not clear and lucid with the examples provided? What is causing the confusion? Genuinely asking. This is open to anyone reading as well as I've never had such a divisive topic filled with nitpicking and I've posted some pretty wild things on that which people hold dear to them previously with much clearer discussion.
What is it about this topic, I'm wondering.
Think of your ordinary peopled doing good in life. Many good folks don't have ambitions to be cutthroat billionaires, but they're doing completely great and genuinely content. Where are you accounting for them in your posts? That's how it'll work for most people. Suburbs are full of people like this. Respected, well paid managers and seniors with long, stable careers putting in honest work.
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