Why is sampling held in such high regards?

[Rozay Oro]

@CrimsonTider swears by that song

You would think he was trolling, but he aint

nikka got a whole playlist of D4L and Dem Franchize Boyz

 

[Rozay Oro]

Sampling is a litmus test

People who don't understand the art of sampling don't understand Hip-Hop at all

I used to play a certain song for people from the late 80s thats had a simple loop for a beat

The beat is incredible numerous producers have brought this song up in the past and they understand why its so great

if the person fukked with it I knew they had understanding of HIP-HOP

if they looked down on it and be like "they didn't do nothing with the beat" I knew they were a complete poser

its also why I know people who don't fukk with late 80s/early 90s hip-hop are also posers

they don't understand sampling in general and think shyt is only dope if its chopped up or flipped a certain way

So many people don't even realize that they actually don't like hip-hop like a lot of cats who can't listen to rap pre 1994

What song

 

[Rakim Allah]

They say that a man has two deaths:

One in the flesh and one when they forget your name and with it your tale and your footprints in the game.

Sampling made immortals out of artists and genres that otherwise would've faded into obscurity and had their genius lie unrecognized, tucked away on some shelf as a dusty 45. I can't count how many new old grooves I came across due to sampling that blew my mind and expanded my horizons.

Hip hop, moreso than any other genre ever I'd say creates (or created) an immensely wide aural palette in the listeners minds because of how much source material you were exposed to thanks to the efforts of dedicated diggers. More than a few times back in the C-90 days you'd hear someone playing something by someone you never heard of and immediately hit the:

to find out who that was, cop the tape, rip off the plastic and pore over the credits to see who flipped what and then cop the OG to see what you could find. Ish was addictive and it wasn't unknown to be sitting there nodding your head with a grin when you spotted a break you knew, where a kick was from, the source of a snare etc.. It was like a secret producer language, way before whosampled and all that that let you know who literally had the chops and was built for this.

I'd be willing to bet that producers who sample have way better memories than the average general population purely based on how much you had to remember and how much of the human element was essential when tech was dumber and it was more about you playing the pads like an instrument using the sounds others had created to express your own symphony.

“We sample beats U sue and try to fight us
Man, you still be home with arthritis!
If we didn't revive em, bring back alive
Old beats that we appreciated, you wouldn't survive
You'd be another memory to us
Ashes to ashes and dust to dust”

 

[Mowgli]

It's an art in itself.

 

[Tom Foolery]

Funky Drummer. Same drum loop, Used 100 million different times.......But you've never noticed.

 

[Rozay Oro]

After 2:47

You hear the same riff..

Dre slowed it and put some strings

Dre got a special ear for music because I would initially think oh reminds me of that one song from th first OutKast album and move on

 

[Rozay Oro]

Never seen u get outta character but this site will do it to u. It’s annoying as fukk how ignorant and how alotta posters look down on hip hop on this hip hop site is insane to me.

@spliz the fact this thread was made says a lot. Peckerwoods all up in our shyt EVERYWHERE. In person, online, metaverse, whatever is next. fukking literally

 

[Living Bait]

The limited sample time made for some of the craziest beats

Primo - Livin' Proof sample is like a second long

Mo Bee - Temptations - I know where the sample came from and I still can't work out how he did it

Pete Rock - Check it Out - how the fukk he did that I'll never know

 

[JustCKing]

I don't know about sampling itself being held in high regard. It was more so about what the producer did with the sample vs sampling itself being held in high regard.

Prime example of this is when people started making sample mixes where mixed the original record with the song that sampled the original. That angered a lot of producers because sometimes the chop was so nice the artist that was sampled didn't recognize their own work. They weren't credited, but when people started making these sample mixes, it outed a lot of songs that had samples, but no one knew who or what was being sampled. Of course, it also opened them to lawsuits.

 

[Living Bait]

Yeh they used to be called trainspotters . . . They knew there was money in it so they would find the samples and approach the artist / label and ask for a cut of the royalties etc. . .

Monkey wrenched the whole game

 

[Majestyx]

@CrimsonTider swears by that song

You would think he was trolling, but he aint

And that’s why he a WOAT

 

[malbaker86]

I’ve always loved it because it broadened my tastes. Sampling other genres got me to listen to music I woulda never even heard of

this

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Sampling existed before HipHop:


In European classical, folk, hymns etc...they would do a simple type of sampling by putting new lyrics to old melodies



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Contrafactum

In vocal music, contrafactum (or contrafact, pl. contrafacta) is "the substitution of one text for another without substantial change to the music".[1]


A lesser-known musical term, contrafactum, refers to a song in which the melody is similar or even identical to another song yet contains different lyrics. One of the most popular examples of contrafacta are “What Child is This” and “Greensleeves.” While the lyrics convey very different meanings, the melody remains the same for both.

There are several reasons for why a composer would choose to repeat one melody across two different pieces. Often times, the composer has chosen to reuse the melody from another piece because it brings together the beginning and end of a show. For example, “Come to Me,” also known as “Fantine’s Death,” is sung in the first act of ‘Les Miserables.’ “On My Own,” the contrafactum of “Come to Me,” is performed during the second act of the show.

Another popular Broadway show containing contrafacta is ‘The Music Man’. For this show, Meredith Willson used similar melody lines in “Goodnight, My Someone” and the show’s signature tune “76 Trombones.” Even though they are performed in succession, it is not obvious that “Goodnight, My Someone” is a contrafactum as it is played at a much slower tempo in ¾ time.

The current musicnotes.com FREE download of the month, “To Anacreon in Heaven” is a contrafactum. John Stafford Smith created the beautiful melody that Fancis Scott Key penned the infamous “Star-Spangled Banner” to years later.

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whereas those musicians didn't do anything to alter what they sampled "musically", Jazz heads added complexity to this

In jazz, a contrafact is a musical composition consisting of a new melody overlaid on a familiar harmonic structure.[1]

and what they sampled from previous songs was only a jump-off point to entirely new pieces of music

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the similarities with the Jazz (Bebop) practice and later hiphop sampling has been noted

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the differences between those forms of sampling and modern sampling as we know it was pioneered from HipHop production and its use of digital samplers and the way they used them

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HipHop pioneered the purely cut and paste style of previous recordings to make a collage of samples for a new musical piece





HipHop production via sampling is the audio version of

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every musical style genre since the early to mid-1980s now uses HipHops sample-based production style

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Sampling is originality though. The arguments that it’s not are all awful arguments.

 

[NZA]

I understand that's a corner stone of hip hop but why isn't originality praised? A person creating instead of building upon or at times just adding drums to...

this is the kind of question that makes sense if you are talking about an art form that comes out of thin air. rap music is an evolution of older black music. the original intent was to dance. sampling was an evolution of a necessity. the break beats were for dancers first. then as the MC became more important, flipping the sample into something totally new became a thing. as time went on, hip hop purists praised creative flips of old records but shunned lazy cover songs like what bad boy used to do. this all took years to develop - at the very start, you needed to take break beats from an existing song in order to get down, so the artform was inherently about borrowing something.