Why is the immigration such a big issue currently

[theworldismine13]

I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not bigging up cheap labor. I'm saying, this is what the conservative, border and southern states thrive on to keep a competitive advantage. Conservative business leaders want the inequality. It keeps costs down for them. I'm not for it, they are. They know that if the border is shut down they are the only losers. So they go on these rhetorical rants about how its hurting the common man. I was a contractor for a while. I know how that game worked. Same dudes yelling to put up a big wall at the border are the same ones paying welders $10/hr or paying their yard crew $15/month to do all their yard work.

Personally they can open it or shut it down. There are consequences and benefits to both, but its not the big deal they are making it except if you are talking about the danger to those kids. I'm glad to see people stepping up and not just trying to treat them like criminals.

i know that, my view is that it needs to stop, and the left is fake too, the main goal of democrats in texas is to turn texas blue and they think they can do that by bringing in as many "brown" people as possible

i think immigration reform and amnesty is an incestuous relationship between liberals who want new voters and business leaders who want cheap labor

the main people that get screwed by mass migration are low skilled native workers, everybody else benefits

it all needs to stop, the border needs to be shut down and people that are here illegally need to get deported including children

 

[rantanamo]

i know that, my view is that it needs to stop, and the left is fake too, the main goal of democrats in texas is to turn texas blue and they think they can do that by bringing in as many "brown" people as possible

i think immigration reform and amnesty is an incestuous relationship between liberals who want new voters and business leaders who want cheap labor

the main people that get screwed by mass migration are low skilled native workers, everybody else benefits

it all needs to stop, the border needs to be shut down and people that are here illegally need to get deported including children

too broad of a stroke. My gf is an immigration attorney and I know from too many of these cases this is too broad of a stroke and very generalized. There are a ton of former visa workers who had children born here who are in the country illegally. Hell, there are all kinds of stupid laws and loopholes that keep some and try to deport others. Its ridiculous. We will take in children from Iran that are fleeing religious persecution, but won't take in children fleeing a horrible like in central America. That's not consistent.

I've worked on some democratic campaigns and that "brown" people quote is ridiculous. Illegals can't vote and "brown" people are not sympathetic to illegals at all. Proven way to lose an election. To win as a democrat, you need people in the center. You have plenty of business leaders that pay well and don't hire illegals. Have been on the front lines to witness this too many times. Those are some broad strokes. I've worked with plenty of so-called liberals that are fiscally conservative, but don't agree with the political rhetoric coming out of the other party.

And I don't know where you live, but they are shutting down any borders. You just have to understand a certain portion of the business community is just doing what MBAs are taught, and that's lowering costs and they will do it until all the costs are saved. They will fight raising their pay and will raise it slowly, so its useless to blame the problem on people looking for a better life. Get this, its illegal to hire illegals in most industries, lol, but its still done. Look at all the resistance to raise the minimum wage, when it will benefit these companies in the long run by creating more customers. Business will be business, and some of these people will hire slaves if they have to.

We want real solutions, try being instructive and helpful to the rest of the world. Help these countries develop economically and you won't have people knocking your doors down.

 

[theworldismine13]

too broad of a stroke. My gf is an immigration attorney and I know from too many of these cases this is too broad of a stroke and very generalized. There are a ton of former visa workers who had children born here who are in the country illegally. Hell, there are all kinds of stupid laws and loopholes that keep some and try to deport others. Its ridiculous. We will take in children from Iran that are fleeing religious persecution, but won't take in children fleeing a horrible like in central America. That's not consistent.

I've worked on some democratic campaigns and that "brown" people quote is ridiculous. Illegals can't vote and "brown" people are not sympathetic to illegals at all. Proven way to lose an election. To win as a democrat, you need people in the center. You have plenty of business leaders that pay well and don't hire illegals. Have been on the front lines to witness this too many times. Those are some broad strokes. I've worked with plenty of so-called liberals that are fiscally conservative, but don't agree with the political rhetoric coming out of the other party.

And I don't know where you live, but they are shutting down any borders. You just have to understand a certain portion of the business community is just doing what MBAs are taught, and that's lowering costs and they will do it until all the costs are saved. They will fight raising their pay and will raise it slowly, so its useless to blame the problem on people looking for a better life. Get this, its illegal to hire illegals in most industries, lol, but its still done. Look at all the resistance to raise the minimum wage, when it will benefit these companies in the long run by creating more customers. Business will be business, and some of these people will hire slaves if they have to.

We want real solutions, try being instructive and helpful to the rest of the world. Help these countries develop economically and you won't have people knocking your doors down.

im fully aware of what the business community is doing and what it wants, they want cheap labor

i'm fully aware of what the left wants, they want "diversity" and want to turn states blue, the us has birth citizenship even if your parents are illegal, so by getting as many so called brown people into the US the more future democratic voters there will be, this is what democrats are counting on, that is why democrats fight tooth and nail for any type of amnesty

everybody is going for theirs and for what is in their interest, im simply stating what is in my interests, my interests are in shutting down the border and if there is any immigration going on it should be legal and from africa or the caribbean to "blacken" america

this invasion from latin america is absurd and needs to top

the american government needs to focus on american citizens that are struggling, not on foreigners that are struggling

and people from central and latin america need to be deported if they are here illegally, the us cannot afford the influx

 

[Matt504]

Times are tough, and when that happens immigrants are an easy target to point a finger at.

 

[babylon1]

we are all immigrants but for the native americans

(end thread)

 

[FaTaL]

Its all about elections. Texas gubernatorial is coming this fall and the Repubs are scared of Wendy Davis. So they are playing the Central American angle hard. They are playing the tough on Obama card as hard as they can. They are playing the "burden on the system" card as hard as they can. The Repubs are hoping this will fracture the huge Mexican-American vote in Texas as well as appeal to other emigrants and immigrants from overseas who have to follow the system. This is being countered by the view that this is a humanitarian crisis and that the law should simply deal with it with common sense and compassion. I'm surprised and proud of my fellow Texans who are looking at this with common sense instead of falling for the Rick Perry rhetoric. He knows damn well this state doesn't work without the influx of cheap labor and that the real burden on the tax system falls elsewhere. Its a hard sell to legal immigrants as well, as many have had their own troubles with our immigration policies.

Basically, its a bunch of posturing.

how much of a chance would you give davis to win?

 

[DonFrancisco]

It's something that has been happening for a while, is there something else I don't know about?

Race and politics. People of all social ladders are scared that brown people are taking over. Let keep it 100 here, no one grabbed guns or had huge protests when NSA leaks went down, people complained on social media. This virulent hate towards immigrants is much deeper than just constitutional violations, it represents a change in the way the U.S dynamic is played out. Grabbing guns to the border and saying children are a threat to a superpower has some deep racial and ethnic hatred to it. You had people in California stop and nearly riot over a bus full of women and children while those protesters had guns! That is just racism and hatred right there.


Even as a Latino in Texas, sometimes I can't help but feel like an outsider in a country I was born and raised in and I get little reminders that I am just an outsider, not really an American. At time I feel like a man with no country.

 

[FaTaL]

Race and politics. People of all social ladders are scared that brown people are taking over. Let keep it 100 here, no one grabbed guns or had huge protests when NSA leaks went down, people complained on social media. This virulent hate towards immigrants is much deeper than just constitutional violations, it represents a change in the way the U.S dynamic is played out. Grabbing guns to the border and saying children are a threat to a superpower has some deep racial and ethnic hatred to it.


Even as a Latino in Texas, sometimes I can't help but feel like an outsider in a country I was born and raised in and I get little reminders that I am just an outsider, not really an American. At time I feel like a man with no country.

tell us of these experiences

 

[theworldismine13]

we are all immigrants but for the native americans

(end thread)

that does not give anybody the right to violate or ignore immigration laws

 

[$lim]

they been talking about this shyt for the last 10 - 15 years. these news shows....seriously...I can't even stomach hearing about borders in 2014 still. same people ignoring Bush not even having the capacity to build a HALF LENGTH southern border in the mid 2000s are now pissed at Obama? no thanks, I used to follow border issues but fukk it, just leave them bytches open. i'm sick of hearing about this shyt.

 

[babylon1]

that does not give anybody the right to violate or ignore immigration laws

yes it does. it is an unjust law so fukk it

 

[DonFrancisco]

tell us of these experiences

The usual, "No you can't be from Texas!" to "Now tell me where you are really from?" "Where do you really come from?"

Other things like nasty stares when I talk in Spanish or white people I don't know using Spanish words to try to "connect with" me. I've also been asked my immigration status by Harris County Sheriffs. I was at a protest when Arizona passed HB 1070 and one of the pro-nativist protesters literally came a few inches in my face and started yelling at me, calling me all sort of names. People assume my family doesn't speak English so they immediately get a Spanish speaker, even though they speak English with a clear and somewhat heavy accent.

Of course the usual nightclub and bar racism that is aimed towards me. Just the usual.

 

[Fillerguy]

thats answer is just a copout by people that dont want to confront the negative impact of liberal immigration policies

This is a historical precedent doe.

 

[DonFrancisco]

I do believe the US, like any nation has the right to exercise its laws but having detention centers for non-criminal offenses is a gross violation of the constitution. A lot of these kids should get due process, it is US but more importantly, international law that they get a shot at due process. If these kids can prove in court they should stay, they should be allowed to stay and enter the foster system (not good either) or find adoptive guardians. We shouldn't turn away children that are truly refugees, we are too rich of a nation to do this. We spend close to $300 million on cruise missile against Libya and suddenly we are too broke to allow children and women due process?

Obama is wrong for massive deportation, he should use the 3 billion to make give these kids due process under US and international law. Kids and advocates that can prove they belong, they should be allowed to stay. We help write these laws, we should respect them.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

It's something that has been happening for a while, is there something else I don't know about?

Because many low paid americans are out of work and feel low wage workers are taking their low paying jobs, friend.