Why is the rap community the only one that disses its legends

[Still Benefited]

you mean the same thread that i chased you out of with your own quotes.

and the rest of the stuff that youre saying is .

this witty-response stuff isnt for you.



this really has nothing to do with it.

Why not,thread said we don't respect our legends but people do respect thos old artist from our regions that we consider legends....I. laid out why one mans legend is not another mans legend...might be a degree of ignorance from a person who listens to oldheads from their own region but not others....but what's the difference in sumbody refusing to listen to young acts from different regions just bcuz its not they style of music....as fans we just try to force our legends on other people then get mad it don't work that way....I will continue to force my legends on people and get mad if u try to reject it tho lol

 

[DANJ!]

If you don't understand the impact, or the legacy, and prefer some new shyt, stay in your lane. The problem arises when people that have no fukking clue about anything prior to 2002 start weighing in on shyt that dropped 20 years ago.

True... I remember a thread where someone said they don't recall much about Run-DMC bein' that hot, and they didn't have impact anywhere but New York. It's stuff like THAT, that kills me. If you're not even gonna take the time to know or find out what you're talkin' about, why take time to talk about it? Just keep it movin' and talk about the shyt you do know, or learn something about the older stuff if you wanna speak on it. Then there's people who were BABIES who'll try to tell people who were there what and who was relevant, because VH1 done told them something contrary to the truth. It's ESPECIALLY wack when even people who try to do the music themselves don't know anything about the history of the music they're doing. It's just not something I see AS often in other genres.

But it has been that way for a long time... while the "fukk the Old School" mentality has increased over the years, it's been going on ever since Run-DMC and LL were tellin' the old nikkas to fall back. Even a historian like KRS-One was surely proud to announce that it was his time and that the old school dudes had their turn. So I guess it's the nature of hip-hop. When old rappers would come out with new stuff, they'd be lookin' pathetic even back then. Because just like it's always been, a lot of them dudes would be holdin' on too tight to their glory days and be outdated as fukk. And like clockwork, the same thing happened to the newer rappers of that era. It's a revolving door like damn near no other genre out there.

 

[The_Third_Man]

They only hiphop legends that get dissed on regular basis are the active ones like Jay, Nas, Busta..etc. The rest get alot of respect, props, and sometimes passes.

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

and it should be noted..that alot of our so-called LEGENDS and VETS do alot to DAMAGE and DISGRACE what little LEGACY they have...

for example i consider myself a CHILD OF THE "GOLDEN ERA"....basically looked up to the Big Daddy Kanes, the Rakims, P.E and BDP along with the Mr. Magics, and Red Alerts....

but situations like CHUCK D. suing rappers estates such as B.I.G leave a bad taste in my mouth...

also one of my favoite groups the JUNGLE BROTHERS whose message of afrocentricity and self accountibility seem NULL and VOID these days due to Baby Bam's new artistic role as a Transgendered Artist who so far removed from all things hip hop it's pathetic...

can't forget the one group that could have taking on a "Rolling Stones" status and toured for the rest of thier lives is now irradicated due to the unsolved murder of it's DJ (RIP JMJ) and the "rockabilly" path that DMC is now taking , while RUN has transformed himself into a "babbling money hungry Megachurch pastor"........ it's sad

another thing i don't like about alot of our "VETS" is the fact that they seem to operate on "George Forman" mode by thinking they can COMPETE WITH TODAY'S GENERATION and RELEASE a "comeback album"

Like i'm so sick of that shyt...what's wrong with BOWING OUT GRACEFULLY and just performing the CLASSIC VINTAGE SHYT that we love you for

and STOP HATING on the "new cats" , it won't garner you anymore respect to be JEALOUS over the fact that these guys are MAKING MOVES and MONEY that you WISH you could have made......

so in the end you only GET RESPECT if you GIVE U RESPECT

 

[Hussein Fonzarelli]

because we FAIL to realize HIP HOP isn't and has not BEEN A "CULTURE" since the first big recording deals were handed out....

It's due to the fact that Corporate America and "Madison Ave" has always seen "HIP HOP" as a trendy gimmicky pastime...so the respect for "vets" and "old school legends" becomes a non factor when the whole emphasis is placed on the YOUTH with their fickle tastes and trivial value systems...

it's BEEN LIKE THAT....even during the GOLDEN ERA cats like LL COOL J and RUN DMC took shots at the old school even though they ackowledged the fact they were influenced by the Cold Crushes and Grandmaster Caz's...

"so all u Jheri Curl suckers wearing high heel boots, like ballerinas when i see ya your like a FRUIT LOOP troupe"....

that was an OBVIOUS diss to Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5 whose fashion sense of leather outfits and funky boots where seen as DATED by the new emerging recording artists...

HIP HOP has always been about that "NEXT SHYT"...OR "NEW STYLE"....

which has it's PROS AND CONS.....it does keep the MUSIC and scene FRESH and exciting but at the same time it puts a limited SHELF LIFE (career) on talent hoping to have some longevitiy......

it's sad ...because other genres really don't do that...rock has CLASSIC ROCK, the r&b has it's CLASSIC SOUL ...and Reggae has it's ROOTS FOUNDATION TUNES.....

And they all are highly respected......i guess cause thier is STILL SOME SENSE OF CULTURE in those genre as opposed to the MARKETING SCHEME that HIP HOP has been since 1986

finally some sense on this retarded music genre



ever since them nikkas sold out their souls to WHITEY for pocket change $, hip-hop took a detour and it will NEVER...EVER get back "on track"

Never



Its just a bubble gum trendy young demographic "im going thru my gangsta phase" music


You cant look serious in your 30s sayin "Oh me? I listen to hip-hop"

LMFAO


if anything, youre supposed to start a rap career in your 30s, preferably in your mid 30s to young 40s....

 

[Jone2three45]

Why is the rap community the only one that disses its legends?

The core foundation of rap is mainly blacks.......
...black people hate themselves

 

[villain]

It is the same. All the groups I mentioned are legends. When Nirvana came out fans were shytting on other older bands. When Guns N Roses came out people were shytting on 70s rock as being 'old' and now 'whats hot right now in LA' Younger kids didn't give a flying fukk about Elvis in the 80s because that wasn't there music. Just like my younger brother loves Radiohead and thinks that The Doors make boring music.

"Checking" for music and following other genres with the same fever as hip hop clearly isn't happening with you. That is why I hit you with examples. As for listening to other genres before I was born, Unless you are 45 years old, I don't think thats true. But hay, maybe you are. You probably shouldn't go around assuming that everyone is 18 years old around here there Freddy.

Not only are 'elitists' in every genre, there is always younger kids who do the face to older peoples music because its not there. This is not something exclusive to Hip Hop, its a lie. Just like Hip Hop is the only genre where artists make diss tracks towards each other.

ty ty ty ty

I fukking hate every time I see this stupid fukking topic. Always threads created by people that have never delved heavily into any scenes other than hip hop

fukk, this topic is so fukking retarded... the implications that arise from saying some shyt like this is just...

 

[Piff Perkins]

You think young nikkas give a fukk about The Rolling Stones? The Who? The Kinks? If they even recognize the name they just discard it as old head music. You think teenagers are sitting at home looking up who Eric Clapton is and paying homage to him?

Actually they do. With rock, artists are often passed from parent to kid. Given the prominence of kids learning instruments as kids, they're also introduced to artists/songs that way too (Smoke On the Water, Yesterday, Ms. Robinson, Iron Man, etc etc etc). So there's a generational connection there from a young age which translates into an APPRECIATION for older music as the kid gets older. This is even seen in less instrument driven music like pop, where a Gaga fan is going to download Madonna, Michael Jackson, etc.

I don't see this in rap. Generally rap/hip hop is considered disposable music. Each trend or wave of new artists nearly completely wipes out the previous, who become "old" or "irrelevant." Run DMC couldn't go on tour today even if JMJ was alive - and if they did the audience would be predominantly white. Hip hop is also so studio based that touring becomes less important, which fukks up longevity. And because there's not much of an audience for "old school" rap, it's rarely played on radio outside of the old school jam of the day on some rap stations. So really the only way kids hear that old stuff is if it's in a video game or movie...

 

[villain]

Actually they do. With rock, artists are often passed from parent to kid. Given the prominence of kids learning instruments as kids, they're also introduced to artists/songs that way too (Smoke On the Water, Yesterday, Ms. Robinson, Iron Man, etc etc etc). So there's a generational connection there from a young age which translates into an APPRECIATION for older music as the kid gets older.

this is just retarded

you tellin me the average 13 year old has any idea who The Kinks or The Zombies are? In most cases the parents have shyt taste in music just like the kids do

you're talking straight out of your ass on this one...

 

[Loud Still Coolin]

 

[The_Third_Man]

Just because his album came out in 86, it doesn't mean I can't diss this rapper. So-called legends should not get special treatment when it comes to rating music.

Maybe if old-school fans stop overrating older rappers and shytting on new ones, people will show more respect to the "legends".

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

you mean the same thread that i chased you out of with your own quotes.

and the rest of the stuff that youre saying is .

this witty-response stuff isnt for you.



this really has nothing to do with it.

LOL @ you thinking you are some kind of message board deeboe. You aint run anyone out of a thread, period. Eventually people just get tired of arguing with your blatant stupidity.

You, like always, think that you know what you are talking about but never even been in the Bay Area to talk about music from the region. You spend your life on Youtube doing research on peoples 'live shows' and what they do outside of philly, just stop breh, talking about you dont need to see Snoop live because you seen a youtube video of his show

 

[Wacky D]

Like who

i come in peace. i dont want to derail the thread by naming names. i'll say this tho, when most people on here post "all-time" group lists, theyre usually all from the same era with the exception of 1 or 2 token groups that theyre taught that they have to include.

Truest shyt ever....rock is notoriously badBut i think the original poster is just saying how no matter what other genres beefs are, they dont erase them from being recognized and supported longer thru time

sure, there are white kids that chit on older music but there are millions of whites kids that do the exact opposite.

the difference with rock is that its a normal site to see white kids listening to rock from the '60s, 70s, etc. rap fans on the other hand, only go as far as the origins of their favorite rapper, and depending on how far the rapper goes back, theyll just listen to that rapper and no one else from that era.
and its nothing new. i notice alot of people complaining about youngns not listening to stuff from the '90s but theyre guilty of doing the same thing, ignoring rappers from the 80s & 70s. they get somewhat of a pass because rap is in a terrible state right now, so the music today is truly inferior, but i still call people out for being hypocrites.

Why not,thread said we don't respect our legends but people do respect thos old artist from our regions that we consider legends....I. laid out why one mans legend is not another mans legend...might be a degree of ignorance from a person who listens to oldheads from their own region but not others....but what's the difference in sumbody refusing to listen to young acts from different regions just bcuz its not they style of music....as fans we just try to force our legends on other people then get mad it don't work that way....I will continue to force my legends on people and get mad if u try to reject it tho lol

homie, theres kids that dont even know the history of their own cities.

and as for your previous post, referring to legends that were out before other coasts really started putting it down, alot of those groups were legends everywhere.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

None of that shyt is the same as what we're talking about. Beatles vs the Stones would be like Wu-Tang vs BONE....The Who vs the Doors would be like Nas vs Jay-Z....of course both has die hard fans, and of course there will be heated debates about which is better.

This is more like, The Rolling Stones vs Fallout Boy. At the very least, fans of Fallout Boy would KIM if asked "so, how do you feel about the Stones?".

And at I don't check for other music. I been into rap since '84 and was listening to other genres most likely before you were born.

Fred.

Damn son, I was born in 84 and I thought I was one of the older ones on the board you

 

[Wacky D]

and it should be noted..that alot of our so-called LEGENDS and VETS do alot to DAMAGE and DISGRACE what little LEGACY they have...

but situations like CHUCK D. suing rappers estates such as B.I.G leave a bad taste in my mouth...

can't forget the one group that could have taking on a "Rolling Stones" status and toured for the rest of thier lives is now irradicated due to the unsolved murder of it's DJ (RIP JMJ) and the "rockabilly" path that DMC is now taking , while RUN has transformed himself into a "babbling money hungry Megachurch pastor"........ it's sad

youre complaining about nothing with that run dmc comment. and how do you know that run is money-hungry.

chuck d had every right to sue big's estate. he didnt clear the sample, and the song "ten crack commandments" was the exact opposite of the message that chuck d spent years putting out. do you not remember the reaction the song had before it came out that chuck d didnt clear the song? people were referring to him as a hypocrite and such.

Actually they do. With rock, artists are often passed from parent to kid. Given the prominence of kids learning instruments as kids, they're also introduced to artists/songs that way too (Smoke On the Water, Yesterday, Ms. Robinson, Iron Man, etc etc etc). So there's a generational connection there from a young age which translates into an APPRECIATION for older music as the kid gets older. This is even seen in less instrument driven music like pop, where a Gaga fan is going to download Madonna, Michael Jackson, etc.I don't see this in rap. Generally rap/hip hop is considered disposable music. Each trend or wave of new artists nearly completely wipes out the previous, who become "old" or "irrelevant." Run DMC couldn't go on tour today even if JMJ was alive - and if they did the audience would be predominantly white. Hip hop is also so studio based that touring becomes less important, which fukks up longevity. And because there's not much of an audience for "old school" rap, it's rarely played on radio outside of the old school jam of the day on some rap stations. So really the only way kids hear that old stuff is if it's in a video game or movie...

i was rockin with you up until the bolded. run dmc could go on a big tour right now, if they wanted too. most of the old school '80s acts with big hits, tour regularly, pack big venues and the crowds are usually blacker than most of the old school '90s acts shows.

i actually see old school acts getting together and touring big venues more than i see current rappers doing it..