Why isn't Kendrick Lamar the GOAT?

[JoelB]

She wanna go and party, she wanna go and party
nikka, don't approach her with that Atari, nikka, that ain't good game, homie, sorry
They say conversation rule a nation, I can tell
But I could never right my wrongs 'less I write it down for real, PS

Now I done grew up round some people livin' their life in bottles
Granddaddy had the golden flask, backstroke every day in Chicago
Some people like the way it feel, some people wanna kill their sorrow
Some people wanna fit in with the popular, that was my problem
I was in a dark room, loud tunes, lookin' to make a vow soon
That I'ma get fukked up, fillin' up my cup I see the crowd mood
Changin' by the minute and the record on repeat
Took a sip, then another sip, then somebody said to me

I can dig rappin', but a rapper with a ghostwriter?
What the fukk happened? (Oh no!)
I swore I wouldn't tell, but most of y'all sharing bars
Like you got the bottom bunk in a two-man cell (A two-man cell)

Uh, and when I wake up
I recognize you're looking at me for the pay cut
But homicide be looking at you from the face down
What MAC-11 even boom with the bass down?
Schemin', and let me tell you 'bout my life
Painkillers only put me in the twilight
Where pretty p*ssy and Benjamin is the highlight
Now tell my momma I love her, but this what I like, Lord knows

Uh, me and my nikkas tryna get it, ya bish (Ya bish)
Hit the house lick: tell me, is you wit' it, ya bish? (Ya bish)
Home invasion was persuasive (Was persuasive)
From nine to five I know it's vacant, ya bish (Ya bish)
Dreams of livin' life like rappers do (Like rappers do)
Back when condom wrappers wasn't cool (They wasn't cool)
I fukked Sherane and went to tell my bros (Tell my bros)
Then Usher Raymond "Let It Burn" came on ("Let Burn" came on)

lol

 

[nightwing2016]

And that original comment wasn't a diss breh breh

It's a real thing. If you've been listening to somebody (i.e. Jay z, nas, or pac) since enough was a kid or a teen, it's gonna be hard to look at someone newer and say they're better than the people you grew up on

That's like expecting someone who grew up in the 80's to put pac over ll cool j or big daddy kane

Everybody is gonna pretty much put the music they grew up on at the top of the list

Nothing wrong with that. It's all opinion. But kendrick will go down as one of the greatest because our gen is gonna put him in the category

Old heads may not all get it, but it's only a matter of time

This happens all the time though especially with Biggie

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

GOAT status includes impact. An ex-Nickelodeon child actor from Canada was and still is the top guy throughout Kendrick’s entire run. How can you be the goat when you never once stood at the top of your era

Jay z stans aint gonna like this one

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

bullshyt!!! . And you know you aint bought shyt. The reason I know you're lying is because there is no need to buy a digital AND physical copy. just buy the physical and download the mp3. That's what a smart person does. It's what I do.

I didn't mean I bought the same album twice

I bought the cd's for untitled unmastered and damn.

The vinyl for gkmc

And I bought the digital version of mr morale & the big steppers

Why would I lie about some inconsequential shyt like that

 

[melraH]

To me he's not even better than common sense or Busta.

Let alone people that are unquestionably top 10 talent like Pac, Big, Cube, Nas, Jigga, Rakim, BDK , KRS , Kool G, LL, Scarface, Redman, 3 stacks etc etc.so many more to pick that are way better.

He's dope in a watered down era.

 

[neph27]

Kendrick had the juice during the section 80/gkmc/tbap run and those albums are classic hip hop.

He's a great storyteller, has a dynamic voice, an ear for production, and has the ability to fully weave an album together cohesively as a singular piece of art

That being said, I get the talk that he never really had the streets or w/e. Kendrick had the internet going nuts with every drop and still does to a degree, but he was never hot on radio, never in clubs, never made party music. It's headphone music.

There's a place for everything. I love his music but I think the GOAT needs to be able to do both of those, have a catalogue that includes both some complex headphone type shyt as well as being able to resonate with common people too.

He's up there, he's super talented, but I don't think he's the GOAT, objectively or subjectively

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

not always true. I grew up listening to kurtis Blow and flava flav. Do you think I'd ever say either of those guys are lyrically better than Papoose. Guys like Kendrick and J Cole are dope rappers, but they are in a generation of bullshyt garbage ass rappers. It's like Dwight Howard being the best center in a center-less league for years. That don't mean he's a top 10 center all time. I made a statement years ago saying that if it was 1995, Kendrick and J Cole would be Skee lo. Dope rappers that get lost in the shuffle because it's too much competition. Mfers didn't catch on to Jay 'Z's debut until years later!!!!! J Cole and Kendrick got it made. They are dope rappers in an era of bullshyt and that helps them to stick out from the rest. But nobody on earth can convince me Kendrick Lamar is better than fukkin G Rap or Rakim. cmon now...

I aint say it never happens. It's a given there will be outliers, but on average, most people's top five is gonna consist of rappers they grew up on

Like cmon. Aint gonna be a bunch of folks born in 1992 and after that'll have Kool g rap in their top five

Likewise, I doubt many people born in the late sixties to early eighties will have kendrick as the goat

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

I aint say it never happens. It's a given there will be outliers, but on average, most people's top five is gonna consist of rappers they grew up on

Like cmon. Aint gonna be a bunch of folks born in 1992 and after that'll have Kool g rap in their top five

Likewise, I doubt many people born in the late sixties to early eighties will have kendrick as the goat

well that's their problem. Music didn't start when these mfers were born. How the fukk can I exclude Sam Cooke from a list of all time greatest singers just because he released music before I was born and killed 13 years before my date of birth. Does that make sense to you? haha. So we're supposed to accept that people only acknowledge shyt that is given to them? But the scary thing is that these are the future authors and history writers 40-60 years from now in people that think this way.

 

[Straw Hat Luffy]

Not gonna lie

Lots of these posts scream old head babble

All the people that are 30 and below now are gonna hold Kendrick in regards the same way you guys do with Nas now.

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

well that's their problem. Music didn't start when these mfers were born. How the fukk can I exclude Sam Cooke from a list of all time greatest singers just because he released music before I was born and killed 13 years before my date of birth. Does that make sense to you? haha. So we're supposed to accept that people only acknowledge shyt that is given to them? But the scary thing is that these are the future authors and history writers 40-60 years from now in people that think this way.

It ain't about excluding people. You really think the average person born in the nineties is gonna name Sam Cooke as one of the best r&b singers before r kelly, usher, or Chris brown?

Or if I told you to name your top 5 actors. I'm willing to bet no old Hollywood actors are gonna be in your list. I wonder why

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

It ain't about excluding people. You really think the average person born in the nineties is gonna name Sam Cooke as one of the best r&b singers before r kelly, usher, or Chris brown?

Or if I told you to name your top 5 actors. I'm willing to bet no old Hollywood actors are gonna be in your list. I wonder why

You’re actually wrong but we’re not talking about personal favorites. We’re talking about not knowing history. I don’t care if anyone likes Kendrick, but don’t act like he’s the greatest ever just because you were 13 and discovered hip hop through him.

Back to my personal favorite actors, I got guys like Wesley and William Marshall. l discovered William Marshall when I was 9 years old. But then, he was already decades deep into his resume and just the King of Cartoon on pee wee’s playhouse. My mom watched mostly 70s films in my youth and then in my teens, I discovered other films like Abby and his other work. I’m so much of a William Marshall fan, that my 2K screen name for years in the park was Prince Mamuwalde(still is but I don’t play anymore) My favorite singer of all time is Bobby Womack. Favorite producer/songwriter is Curtis Mayfield. And I was born in 77. Amy more questions? Haha

 

[Child_Of_God]

Why R&B bytches don't feature on each others songs

You may actually be on to something.

 

[the elastic]

He's too woke

 

[Budda]

He don’t really have quotable for real though, even though he’s got a couple classics.

 

[Trace]

Kendrick don’t blackout often but here’s a few cases in these verses:

That Part verse 2:

And we don't stress
A .38 'til it free your chest
Then PP on the PO's desk
I'm JAY-Z in a blowout press
Relate me to your blowout's best
Can't hate me, I'm remote you're deaf
I'm HD, causin' photo theft
My AC antifreeze gotta—that part
Hold your breath, I'm 8 feet when I hold this TEC
Protect me from the local threats
My ID say my eye don't rest
My IV qualify T-Rex
Society kept my IQ vexed
Denyin' me from an Ivy school
Applyin' me to the street I slept
I quietly had to hold this tool
Reminding me of the block I repped
The turf I stepped, the church and the earth I blessed
The first I guessed the alert was the murk I chef
That hearse the flirt with perks of a kill confessed
Dispersed the worst, the first 48 addressed
The search of laws and verse of the birth I nest
The—uh, the awe, the curse of a pose in zest
The good, the flaws, the pain to reverse what's left, uh

His long ass verse on the Heart pt 2 was one of his more impressive verses to me.

Rigamortis second verse.

Verses 2 and 3 of Hood Politics

Last verse on Untitled.07

Duckworth was cool to me as well.

Those are strong verses to me, but I can see how that isn’t fukking with a Lupe, Black Thought or Nas. Only area he’s seeing them in is the overall picture, the cohesion and strength of the albums.