Why isn’t the history of the Arab (Muslim) Slave Trade more well known and discussed?

[MMS]

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people are not aware they have two mothers, their mother of flesh and their mother tongue.

 

[broller]

This is one of the reasons why I can't rock with people who claim they are liberating themselves by converting to Islam from Christianity

 

[010101]

people are not aware they have two mothers, their mother of flesh and their mother tongue.

your mothers mother tongue ha*

 

[MMS]

your mothers mother tongue ha*

We are living in a world of illusion

Yall needa cut the bullshyt out :mjlol:

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[MMS]

This is one of the reasons why I can't rock with people who claim they are liberating themselves by converting to Islam from Christianity

It depends on where in Christianity your coming from, all the communities ive been involved with over the years were different in many respects

 

[IllmaticDelta]

No one talks about in the West because none of their descendents are in the Americas

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Also you gotta look at how Arabs viewed African Muslims.

The Arab traveller Ibm Battuta and we could deduce other Arabs felt the same back then held these thoughts.

"Ibn Battuta disapproved of the fact that female slaves, servants, and even the daughters of the sultan went about exposing parts of their bodies not befitting a Muslim.[144] He wrote in his Rihla that black Africans were characterised by "ill manners" and "contempt for white men", and that he "was long astonished at their feeble intellect and their respect for mean things."


So Arabs feel superior to us despite the muslism connection that is why they have no.problem enslaving us.

Yup. It was light skinned "MENA" people who invented most of the racist anti-black rhetoric that Europeans would later run with

 

[IllmaticDelta]

But Arab isn’t a race. It’s a language/subculture

I guess being “black” and “Arab” are similar by definition

It's both....the people we call "Real Arabs" are basically Western Asians/Arabized Western Asians

and Arabized North Africans






^^those 2 "groups" together is what we now know as "MENA"

You can be African, black and Arab just look at Sudan for example

No, those aren't Arabs...they're just "Black Africans" who are heavily Arabized culturally or are genetically "Afro-Arab"

Sudan for example

Regarding the first cartoon, I've often marvelled at how some people who know that Colin Powell et al. spread falsehoods in the run up to the 2003 US invasion of Iraq seem to be taken in so easily by these liars when it comes to Darfur.

The second cartoon, I think, speaks to the false dichotomy of black/African vs. Arab that is frequently propagated in Western discourse. For example, in an April 27, 2007, NPR report Gwen Thompkins distinguishes between "black rebel forces" and "government-sponsored Arab militias." The accompanying text on the National Public Radio web site speaks of "Tension between the region's African farmers and Arab pastoralists" and says "People in Darfur refer to themselves as 'black,' and many Darfuris say that the dispute with the Arab-dominated government in Khartoum is ethnically based." An NPR report the day before ("U.N. Aid Chief Tours Darfur's Refugee Camps") was just as bad describing the fighting as between "African rebels and Arab militias."

However, all or nearly all parties to the conflict in Darfur are Africans, black, and Muslim and the question of Arab identity is, by no means, a simple matter either. As the Washington Post's East Africa bureau chief Emily Wax writes in "5 Truths About Darfur" (emphasis added):

Everyone is black

Although the conflict has also been framed as a battle between Arabs and black Africans, everyone in Darfur appears dark-skinned, at least by the usual American standards. The true division in Darfur is between ethnic groups, split between herders and farmers. Each tribe gives itself the label of "African" or "Arab" based on what language its members speak and whether they work the soil or herd livestock. Also, if they attain a certain level of wealth, they call themselves Arab.

Sudan melds African and Arab identities. As Arabs began to dominate the government in the past century and gave jobs to members of Arab tribes, being Arab became a political advantage; some tribes adopted that label regardless of their ethnic affiliation. More recently, rebels have described themselves as Africans fighting an Arab government. Ethnic slurs used by both sides in recent atrocities have riven communities that once lived together and intermarried.

"Black Americans who come to Darfur always say, 'So where are the Arabs? Why do all these people look black?' " said Mahjoub Mohamed Saleh, editor of Sudan's independent Al-Ayam newspaper. "The bottom line is that tribes have intermarried forever in Darfur. Men even have one so-called Arab wife and one so-called African. Tribes started labeling themselves this way several decades ago for political reasons. Who knows what the real bloodlines are in Darfur?"

As Alex de Waal, director of Justice Africa, writes in "Darfur's deep grievances defy all hopes for an easy solution" in the Observer (UK):
Characterising the Darfur war as 'Arabs' versus 'Africans' obscures the reality. Darfur's Arabs are black, indigenous, African and Muslim - just like Darfur's non-Arabs, who hail from the Fur, Masalit, Zaghawa and a dozen smaller tribes.

Until recently, Darfurians used the term 'Arab' in its ancient sense of 'bedouin'. These Arabic-speaking nomads are distinct from the inheritors of the Arab culture of the Nile and the Fertile Crescent.

'Arabism' in Darfur is a political ideology, recently imported, after Colonel Gadaffi nurtured dreams of an 'Arab belt' across Africa, and recruited Chadian Arabs, Darfurians and west African Tuaregs to spearhead his invasion of Chad in the 1980s. He failed, but the legacy of arms, militia organisation and Arab supremacist ideology lives on.

Many Janjaweed hail from the Chadian Arab groups mobilised during those days. Most of Darfur's Arabs remain uninvolved in the conflict, but racist ideology appeals to many poor and frustrated young men.

Since 1987 there have been recurrent clashes between the Arab militias and village self-defence groups. Their roots were local conflicts over land and water, especially in the wake of droughts, made worse by the absence of an effective police force in the region for 20 years.

The last intertribal conference met in 1989, but its recommendations were never implemented. Year by year, law and order has broken down, and the government has done nothing but play a game of divide-and-rule, usually favouring the better-armed Arabs.

In response, the non-Arab groups (some of them bedouins too - there's a clan related to the Zaghawa that even has the name Bedeyaat) have mobilised, adopting the label 'African', which helps to gain solidarity with the southern-based Sudan People's Liberation Army, and is a ticket to sympathy in the West.

Dissident Veteran For Peace: Khalil Bendib on Darfur

 

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It's both....the people we call "Real Arabs" are basically Western Asians/Arabized Western Asians

and Arabized North Africans






^^those 2 "groups" together is what we now know as "MENA"




No, those aren't Arabs...they're just "Black Africans" who are heavily Arabized culturally or are genetically "Afro-Arab"

Sudan for example

Dissident Veteran For Peace: Khalil Bendib on Darfur

Yea, I read a lot of stuff like you posted and it’s really no answer coming from a modern perspective/understanding of race

Im not Arab or anything but I know it’s complicated because the idea of an “Arab” race is so tied to religion and identity ( to the extent Muslim concerts must change their names/dress/language etc....) which been created and reinforced by Islam and their conquest over what is considered the Arab world

It’s almost like the chicken/egg dilemma

But if you go back far enough, Arab is just a word to describe people living in a specific region (but who were these people originally we don’t even know right?) which could be any race/races over time

It’s not a race but maybe just defined by a “race less” or mixed people who share a language and subculture created by Islam

Early Muslims thought they were “Ishmaelites” or from this special line tracing back to Ishmael from the Bible so I guess that means they’re supposed to be half Egyptian/Hebrew

Well what race were Egyptians then? What about Hebrews?

And that’s only matters if you believe in the Bible stories

Anyways, I personally think original “Arabs” were from Yemen way back from what I’ve read or been told and the land of Yemen today used to be part of Ethiopia and most Yemen are black or part black African (it’s obvious if you just look at a map) to me so....

Like I said, it makes no sense to see Arab as a distinct race but the Muslims and Arabs use it as a race to divide and conquer and to justify racism against Black Africans as ironic as it may seem

For example, what is an Arab that isn’t Muslim and doesn’t speak Arabic?

I’ll go as far to say that if The god of lslam allowed its followers to worship and read the Quran in ANY language other than Arabic there’d be no Arab race or culture as it is today

Maybe the southern “Arab” world would be more African culturally as they used to be. And the north would be Jewish

but then again the Muslim military conquests probably wouldn’t have succeeded without a strong “Arab” chosen people identity to unite the people and motivate the armies

 

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It depends on where in Christianity your coming from, all the communities ive been involved with over the years were different in many respects

But there’s only 1 type of Christianity

 

[MMS]

But there’s only 1 type of Christianity

I said where in, there is only one true vine.

 

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Another one

 

[Amo Husserl]

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/lets-talk-african-history-the-swahili-coast.429833/

As promised, here is another thread from my "Lets talk African history" series. And again as a theme of the series this is a non-Ancient Egyptian African civilization. Yet another African civilization by Bantu people, who I consider a very underrated group, the Swahili civilization/city states. Many of us, especially us blacks in America know about the language, but not really the interesting civilization. To me the Swahili coast beats Ancient Egypt in some ways in terms of complexity. Their architecture alone is one of the best in Africa. Also they(and horner kingdoms like those from Somalis and Ethiopians) refute some of the biggest myths about Africans and that Africans somehow were too stupid to sail and go into the seas. Well Swahili culture was big in sailing, especially living off the coast and having to trade. That's why I also find them interesting. And back to architecture, I also find them interesting that they mostly built in stone. Which is kinda unique as most African cultures including even the Ancient Egyptians built in either mudbrick or wood. They are also unique in that their language and culture is a mixture between a lot outside influences like Arab, Persian and I even heard Chinese!!!

Though the downside of the Swahili civilizations is that a good number of them would be what we call "c00ns", especially those from Zanzibar who specialized in selling slaves from the interior to Arabs and were the main ones. But other than that Kilwa and Mombasa said to very beautiful by outsiders. And if I remember correctly the people of the Swahili coast were the Zanjs.

But before I continue with this thread, we have to go back in time. Since who occupied the Swahili coast has always been up in debates. Historians use to try to say it was either Arabs or Persian. Luckily that has been debunked...Especially by a Swahili archaeologist himself.

BBC News | AFRICA | Tanzanian dig unearths ancient secret

^^^Now what you look at that... The so called "inferior Bantus" not only occupied the Swahili coast first, but they were trading with major civilizations such as the Greeks/Romans and Persians since antiquity. Meanwhile the Arabs were still in their deserts in Arabia and were mostly isolated.

But more importantly there goes the myth that Africans from the interior were largely isolated from the world.

Anyways adding on to the Swahili origins.

Encyclopaedia of the History of Science, Technology, and Medicine in Non-Western Cultures
Springer-Verlag Berlin Heidelberg New York 2008
10.1007/978-1-4020-4425-0_8504
Helaine Selin

Cities and Towns in East Africa
Felix Chami

 

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[JasoRockStar]

There are no black folks in prominent positions of power in Arab countries. That tells you all you need to know about the quality of life for black folks living there.