Why isn't there a black version of Taylor Swift?

[904]

Most black artists have to be accepted by our community before whites hop on the train..

I'm drunk now so I might not make too much sense

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

The late 90s and early 2000 era was fukking insane when you go back and look at the amount of albums that went diamond!

yea the under 25 posters don't understand that most of the popular artists in 2022 are at the most gonna do maybe 3-4 million maybe.. that's w/ the weird stream stats too..

 

[Soldier]

Most black artists have to be accepted by our community before whites hop on the train..

I'm drunk now so I might not make too much sense

The only exceptions to this rule are TheWeeknd and Darius Rucker. Their initial fanbase was not predominantly black especially Rucker.

 

[Bmezy]

I just listened to parts of her new album earlier today with my niece and sister and I thought it was pretty good. She was able to tell stories about love and heartbreak that young girls would find relatable. Next to little vulgarity in her songs unlike 99% of the mainstream black female artists.

And more importantly, I've always found her aesthetic a breath of fresh air in the IG era. That plain Jane, Girl-Next-Door look is a rarity in this era of whores.

I want young black girls looking up to women like that as role models not Summer Walker, Megan, Doja.

To be honest, this post is everywhere and asking 2-3 different things..
-are you talking about 'vulgarity' in the music itself- i.e- sex imagery, excessive profanity etc or are you talking about the BRANDING and IMAGE of 'mainstream black female artists' ..

the discussion you're looking to have is sorta complicated and has a LOT of moving parts and variables. First in foremost, a 'black female Taylor Swift' doesn't exist. T.S is the archetype of universally accessible white, conservative leaning all american girl that knew how to market and target/invest in the biggest demographic there is 'teenage-young Caucasian women' ..her music is inoffensive, safe and generic and catchy enough to pitter patter melodrama poptart bs to the major dominant society. There will never be a point in time in HISTORY that a black female will capture the great expanse of white mediocrity like Taylor has for all of her career.

Now, realistically 'the black taylor swift is basically code switch for rnb/urban contemporary adjacent music that hasn't had the type of infrastructure from the labels/industry exect themselves for a 'mainstream' anything in over 30 years. You're about 3 decades late.. This shyt is simple supply and demand.. there's no real sizable audience for the type of music that alotta posters here already mentioned to be mainstream in the way that the "summers/szas/dojas/mehgans/cardis are..

They're all indie/underground and basically freelancers because there's no audience to even support widespread distribution.. they're EVERYWHERE, too..
Kirby, Snoh, Jessie Reye, Sinead, Emily, Nao, Mahalia etc.

There's a discussion to be had one day about Hip hop CULTURE in general sorta cannibalizing black RnB.. in it's purity/authenticity. When hip hop based artists like drake, weeknd, partynextdoor, ty dollar sign, bryson tiller, future started adding melody/singing about content and subject matter with the same bluntness and vulgarity/obscenity as the most gutter rapper verses.. this point around 2011-2014 when Hiphop became the dominant listening genre that had single handidly captured the mind of the combined black youth at LARGE regardless of gender..this is when you started getting hybrids, RNb artists sing-talking, adapting the style/aesthetic as their male rapper counterparts.. when mainstream RNB realized in order to survive the new generation Z, they'd have to adopt all the traits and characteristics of a totally different genre..

this goes for men, too.. A lot of men/women in the rap world are singing more, doing more melodies and blurring the lines between RnB, trap song, melodic rap etc. and since hip hop is the DOMINANT sound, RnB artists now have to compete with rappers for a piece of the listener base. These RnB girls and dudes are now taking melodies and phrasing/rhythm from these rappers themselves.. that's why it seems so salacious and 'vulgar'. This conversation is moreso about the evolution of RNb more than anything else. The world wants our pain and the worse parts of our culture.. not our love/strength. This is by design!!

 

[Mowgli]

Wild we have a generation who have grown up with zero love songs outside of what they hear on old school stations

 

[Dave24]

To be honest, this post is everywhere and asking 2-3 different things..
-are you talking about 'vulgarity' in the music itself- i.e- sex imagery, excessive profanity etc or are you talking about the BRANDING and IMAGE of 'mainstream black female artists' ..

the discussion you're looking to have is sorta complicated and has a LOT of moving parts and variables. First in foremost, a 'black female Taylor Swift' doesn't exist. T.S is the archetype of universally accessible white, conservative leaning all american girl that knew how to market and target/invest in the biggest demographic there is 'teenage-young Caucasian women' ..her music is inoffensive, safe and generic and catchy enough to pitter patter melodrama poptart bs to the major dominant society. There will never be a point in time in HISTORY that a black female will capture the great expanse of white mediocrity like Taylor has for all of her career.

Now, realistically 'the black taylor swift is basically code switch for rnb/urban contemporary adjacent music that hasn't had the type of infrastructure from the labels/industry exect themselves for a 'mainstream' anything in over 30 years. You're about 3 decades late.. This shyt is simple supply and demand.. there's no real sizable audience for the type of music that alotta posters here already mentioned to be mainstream in the way that the "summers/szas/dojas/mehgans/cardis are..

They're all indie/underground and basically freelancers because there's no audience to even support widespread distribution.. they're EVERYWHERE, too..
Kirby, Snoh, Jessie Reye, Sinead, Emily, Nao, Mahalia etc.

There's a discussion to be had one day about Hip hop CULTURE in general sorta cannibalizing black RnB.. in it's purity/authenticity. When hip hop based artists like drake, weeknd, partynextdoor, ty dollar sign, bryson tiller, future started adding melody/singing about content and subject matter with the same bluntness and vulgarity/obscenity as the most gutter rapper verses.. this point around 2011-2014 when Hiphop became the dominant listening genre that had single handidly captured the mind of the combined black youth at LARGE regardless of gender..this is when you started getting hybrids, RNb artists sing-talking, adapting the style/aesthetic as their male rapper counterparts.. when mainstream RNB realized in order to survive the new generation Z, they'd have to adopt all the traits and characteristics of a totally different genre..

this goes for men, too.. A lot of men/women in the rap world are singing more, doing more melodies and blurring the lines between RnB, trap song, melodic rap etc. and since hip hop is the DOMINANT sound, RnB artists now have to compete with rappers for a piece of the listener base. These RnB girls and dudes are not taking melodies and phrasing/rhythm from these rappers themselves. This conversation is moreso about the evolution of RNb more than anything else. The world wants our pain and the worse parts of our culture.. not our love/strength. This is by design!!

Beautiful post

@Kang The Conqueror

@humminbird

@Realm-Breaker


With that said I like some of Taylor Swift's music

 

[Bmezy]

Wild we have a generation who have grown up with zero love songs outside of what they hear on old school stations

This is the generation where Hip Hop Culture amplified by social media/the internet at its most impressionable form.. which is the of influence drill/trap culture (not PC backpack culture ..kdot/jcole/drake etc) dominated the lives/ears of black youth growing up between 11-21 cannibalizing and absorbing traditional rnb in its entirety. That type of RnB you're talking about became 'adult contemporary'.

 

[TM101]

Colipark tried to push VistosoBosses on the black community when they was eating off Radio Disney and they flopped.
I use them as an example because they are the closest type of artist I remember being signed to a major label.

 

[Mowgli]

This is the generation where Hip Hop Culture amplified by social media/the internet at its most impressionable form.. which is the of influence drill/trap culture (not PC backpack culture ..kdot/jcole/drake etc) dominated the lives/ears of black youth growing up between 11-21 cannibalizing and absorbing traditional rnb in its entirety. That type of RnB you're talking about became 'adult contemporary'.

We just call it old school

 

[Kuma the Bear]

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[Premeditated]

Mickey's husband is mixed(Samoan and something else). She was one of the few ppl to call out that racist Morgan Wallen for saying nikka. She got a lot backlash from that crowd for doing it too.

You already know what her spouse looks like you ain’t gotta guess. But we just talking about not twerking in music videos and shyt

all i needed to know

I'll let her significant other spread the word while I go listen to this summer walker

 

[King Static X]

Even back in the day, Black artists faced backlash for doing "safer" music....from Black people


Al Sharpton called Whitney Houston "Whitey" Houston when she first became big in the '80s. Whitney was also boo'd at the 1989 Soul Train Awards because some people thought that her music was "too pop", "too white" and that she was a "sellout".

Whitney straddled that line her entire career even though she was an ICON.

 

[bourgeoisie tall freak]

lol

since when was cussing in the same category as vulgarity?

i posted an article. weirdo as hell that folks in the thread are cappin like it's not a big deal when MAINSTREAM WHITE MEDIA is pointing it out. i didn't make the shyt up.
but do you know how i was so quick to pull receipts? I had this same argument like 5 years ago with the editing team on genius.com. they wanted to get all high-horsey and start adding caveats to certain lyrics that they felt needed some type of advocacy warning. it was a basic white chicks idea, i guess she felt offended by rap lyrics or something. i told them
bytch STFU.
i could have easily pointed out that eminem is a main partner/investor of the website so they look goofy as fukk trying to bite the hand that feeds them. but i also pointed out to those white girls that if you do that you gonna have to do it for taylor swift who is usually saying some sassy or toxic shyt about something.
of course they tried that "it's not the same" excuse but in the end they had no choice but to stand tf down. people in this here thread went out sad af, echoing that same argument of some wannabe entitled white girls
i mean i get it if you don't like parental advisory labelled music. that's fine, but don't put taylor swift's narrow ass on a pedestal over every black girl. right is right and wrong is wrong

 

[Jaguar93]

Colipark tried to push VistosoBosses on the black community when they was eating off Radio Disney and they flopped.
I use them as an example because they are the closest type of artist I remember being signed to a major label.

It’s crazy how they didn’t blow up. What crazier is that most k-pop songs, sound like early 2000s RnB.

 

[Eternally Jaded]

It’s crazy how they didn’t blow up. What crazier is that most k-pop songs, sound like early 2000s RnB.

This guy didn't even try to flow or rhyme.

Absolutely the worst bars I ever heard outside of Blueface. Can't believe they signed off on that trash.

To the singers.... yeah this kinda mediocrity ain't moving with us.

White people will hear it n go "sounds cute" but me n mines just give it crickets n tumbleweeds