Why isn't there a single great soccer player from the US?

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Trying to body Peterson on the sideline during a scramble for the ball
Trying to catch Johnson on a counter attack towards your goalie
Trying to box out Lebron from getting a header on a corner kick
These other countries lucky as fukk
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Football players wouldn't be able to carry the weight you see them carry now if hey played soccer. So you saying "imagine trying to body Peterson" sounds silly because its under the notion that its the 230lb Peterson you currently see on Sundays. Peterson would not be 230lbs if he played soccer. It's impossible to carry that much weight and muscle mass and run the 4-10 miles that soccer requires out of most players per game.
 

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Im a little surprised too. I mean I know we're eye balling the black population when we talk about this, but um, we do have a mexican population to support our soccer sport. why arent they stepping up?
 

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Incorrect:

http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-nba-average-salary-2014-4

Soccer is more international than basketball but the salaries still aren't touching nba salaries.
There are 5 players on a basketball team, 11 on a soccer team with many leagues. The chances of a good soccer player making millions are far higher than a good basketball player making millions. I won't even get into comparing it to the NFL because EPL, Bundesliga, and Serie A all have higher average salaries than the NFL.
 

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Trying to body Peterson on the sideline during a scramble for the ball
Trying to catch Johnson on a counter attack towards your goalie
Trying to box out Lebron from getting a header on a corner kick
These other countries lucky as fukk
:mjlol:
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awful posting
 

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There are 5 players on a basketball team, 11 on a soccer team with many leagues. The chances of a good soccer player making millions are far higher than a good basketball player making millions. I won't even get into comparing it to the NFL because EPL, Bundesliga, and Serie A all have higher average salaries than the NFL.

This is kind of a moot point-

When you say good, I assume that you mean- good enough to make it to the big leagues. If you're good enough to make it to the NBA, then your earnings will (on average) exceed every league in the world far and wide, except for the cricket league cause them Indians sure love them some Cricket:russ:

Now, you could argue that there are more spots on a soccer team, making it somewhat more likely that you can land on a professional team:yeshrug:
 

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This is kind of a moot point-

When you say good, I assume that you mean- good enough to make it to the big leagues. If you're good enough to make it to the NBA, then your earnings will (on average) exceed every league in the world far and wide, except for the cricket league cause them Indians sure love them some Cricket:russ:

Now, you could argue that there are more spots on a soccer team, making it somewhat more likely that you can land on a professional team:yeshrug:
that's exactly what i'm saying, breh. More players and more leagues paying big $$.
 
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maybe westbrook would make a serviceable winger
right back, imho

new Marvell Wynne, innit
You mean stopping a ball coming at you 100mph with the delicate touch of your feet, or any other part of your body sans hands?
your chest or head. Didier Drogba is a beast at using his chest to play passes.

Thats the other step too. Once you master the first touch, then you can use that to manipulate the ball to go where you want.

Like this at the 17 second mark



people are talking about athleticism not being everything in soccer and I understand as well as agree to a certain degree, but when i see messi basically crossover 3 defenders allen Iverson style, to score a goal, that takes some level of athleticism. I don't really watch a lot of soccer, but I've seen that dude and Ronaldo do shyt with a soccer ball I've never seen done before. I find it hard to believe that American athletes who's athleticism allow them to dominate football or basketball, the two most popular sports in America, at all levels couldn't have become great soccer players with the same proper coaching and training that athletes in other countries begin receiving at a young age all the way through adulthood.
athleticism in the American sports context of "bigger and stronger."

Endurance is an athletic trait as is coordination, balance, and strength. The best players have tree trunks for legs. And speed quickness is important too.

The problem is Americans think Lebron James would be able to step out there and dominate, and its farthest from the truth. The other thing is you need to be able to control a ball first and foremost.
 
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In order to create great soccer players, they have to start playing very young, they have to love the game, and they have to play for thousands of hours as children. Our kids dabble in different sports up until High School when they choose one sport. You can't have kids playing a different sport every 3 months and expect them to be great soccer players. Soccer is like Boxing in sense that it looks easy, but it's very difficult to become elite. When you see great Boxers, they usually start when they are like 5-8 years old. You rarely see a great Boxer who picks up the sport late in life ( Sergio Martinez/ Ernie Shavers types are the exception). Same thing with Soccer. The USA's answer to sports is to "out athletic" your opponent. Soccer is all about skill. Look at Barcelona when they were whipping everyones ass. They Had/Have Xavi, Iniesta, and Messi. Three Dudes who if you saw walking down the street would look like everyday schmoes. They are short, Messi has some sort of dwarfism, yet are extremely skilled and dominate.

Youth development in the US is horrible. There are too many different youth organizations and they don't offer legit coaching. The USSF/MLS should develop a youth league and corner the market like little league did with baseball, and Pop Warner did with football. They could set up a curriculum for kids to follow in elementary and middle school. Horst Wein talks about children should play small sided games to develop ball skills. 3v3 up until 9 years old, 5v5 10 year olds, 7v7 11-12 year olds, 8v8 13 year olds, and finally playing 11v11 when they turn 14. They say that the reason Argentina and Brazil are so good is because they have their kids playing futsal before moving up to regular soccer. Real Madrid and Barcelona also have their youth teams play small sided games. When you develop the youth they learn to understand the game, and they learn to love the game. So you are creating future players and fans.

Once the kids reach High School they could be eligible for a youth academy. The MLS also needs to develop legit youth academies. Most Teams have an academy but I don't think they are professional. Our kids are taught to be good enough in their sport to possibly play college ball. Footballers from around the world start going to academies usually in their early teens and learning to be pros. :pacspit: to college ball.

The US also does a bad job of including kids from the inner city/low Income households *cough* black and latino kids *cough*. In this country Soccer is seen as a rich kid sport like ice skating, gymnastics, tennis. Usually you have to pay big bucks to play in a top local club. My sister played for a traveling team in middle school and the cost was crazy. Good thing they didn't charge my parents to play. Instead of having kids invest in the sport, the sport (USSF/MLS) should invest in the kids.

To me soccer is the best sport to get your kid into. It gets them in great shape, it's relatively safe, and you don't have to be tall (basketball) or big and strong (football) in order to play at the top levels. I think it's funny when parents invest their child's time in basketball and football, and they end up being 5'9'' 160 lbs. I could care less about baseball and hockey.:manny:

Pretty much. AYSO is the youth organization and it's a joke. Their slogan is "Everyone Plays" soccer was just something to do before you were allowed to play football, where the coach wasn't some clueless dad.
 

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I'm actually starting to give a fukk...We're a joke to the rest of the world ...

:what: why should america give a fukk what the rest of the world thinks about us not loving/liking soccer

this is my whole issue with soccer...
i dont hate on the sport -but just like kobe... i hate on its stans
for the obvious reasons

 

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:what: why should america give a fukk what the rest of the world thinks about us not loving/liking soccer

this is my whole issue with soccer...
i dont hate on the sport -but just like kobe... i hate on its stans
for the obvious reasons

I'm a competitor ....It's just in my nature to think that way.
 

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football is a lot more dependent on technical skill than athleticism, and you can only develop that with a good training infrastructure

Wrong. That is why the US does not have an elite soccer player because Americans think that they can train into players the "feel of the game". You learn that playing in the park, dusty roads for hours on end for fun with friends from the age of 4 to 10 before, you get real structure. There is an energy that one develops with the ball as a kid that carries into adulthood. Ghana was way more skilled, more technical, and had a better feel for the game. It was glaring. The USA is fortunate to have Tim Howard as a GK and they are good on set pieces which is how they scored the second goal. Klinsmann said years ago that the America's problem is the poorer youth does not care about futbol, which is where the best talent comes from. Most of Germany's team are not ethnically German. They have Poles, Turks, Africans, Spanish, etc. on their team in recent years. These kids came from immigrants communities. Klinsmann is doing a good job of snagging eligible American players who grew up in Europe. He already has 5 German players on the squad. Once Green gets PT at Bayern Munich, its a wrap, he will be the first elite US player, but I have always thought that Clint Dempsey is impressive and would not be out of place on a top 10 FIFA ranked team.
 

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Pretty much. AYSO is the youth organization and it's a joke. Their slogan is "Everyone Plays" soccer was just something to do before you were allowed to play football, where the coach wasn't some clueless dad.

AYSO is not the top youth league anymore. Since 2007 the best young soccer players play in the USSDA, which includes the academies affiliated with MLS clubs. They actually just finished their regular season and are holding their playoffs in Indiana next week.
 

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Our culture doesn't support the sport enough to produce "great soccer players".

This argument seems to have, as always, delved into this nature/nurture debate, with people seemingly siding with one or the other. I tend to think that it's likely a mixture of the two.

While athleticism may not be the defining factor in soccer....temperament is one of the most important aspects to any sport. Sure, maybe Lebron and Westbrook wouldn't have made it as soccer players, but I disagree with anyone that believes that Americans as a whole not viewing soccer as a worthy athletic pursuit, therefore, it's "most sporty" individuals not viewing it as such either, doesn't place a significant ceiling on our players. Maybe it's not football/basketball taking out "most athletic" people...maybe they are just taking our most competitive....:yeshrug:

Skills are learned, sure. But the the willingness to dedicate so much of yourself to what is essentially a child's game may be an attribute that one is born with. And those people tend to look elsewhere in the US. A better way to put it might be to say that those people are being pushed elsewhere in the US.

I'm just saying that I do believe that there is a quantitative cap on ANY countries ability to produce top tier athletes. Even if we placed significantly more resources into soccer....there is eventually going to be diminishing returns if the people involved are stretched too thin.
 
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