Why It's Impossible to Indict a Cop

[tru_m.a.c]

You win breh, I have no clue what you're trying to say or how its relevant.
Just forget the whole monopoly thing.



My point is govt. faces zero competition... thats it. Nothing more, nothing less. I apologize for using the word "monopoly" assuming thats what ruffled you...

Yes - because guidelines must be met in order to be considered a monopoly. The standard changes by industry. There is no legal precedence for law enforcement to be regulated like a commercial entity. That's the first fallacy in your argument.

The second fallacy comes down to the "government faces zero competition" argument. You're too consumed with this idea of "competition." You need to focus on whether or not all these "competing" organizations can be held accountable for negative consequences. The irony s is that you libertarians always suggest ideas that strip away government influence, only to have it slap you in the face down the line when you need additional government oversight for the new "competitive market."

 

[DEAD7]

You're too consumed with this idea of "competition." You need to focus on whether or not all these "competing" organizations can be held accountable for negative consequences."

I need to focus on whether a private force, can be held accountable by its employer(s)?... interesting.


I'm gonna assume your point went over my head again, and ask if you could explain exactly what you meant by this?

 

[tru_m.a.c]

I need to focus on whether a private force, can be held accountable by its employer(s)?... interesting.


I'm gonna assume your point went over my head again, and ask if you could explain exactly what you meant by this?

Who is the employer?

 

[Blackking]

you then we could have black owned police companies for predominantly black areas

-DMP-

i never heard this idea before... and its a good one.

 

[DEAD7]

Who is the employer?

The state or county they serve.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

The state or county they serve.

great!

now that we've established this, explain the relationship between sheriffs, county pd, and state troopers

 

[DEAD7]

great!

now that we've established this, explain the relationship between sheriffs, county pd, and state troopers

Similar to how it is now, only they are privately owned. Eventually we may even see forces that can cover both police and sheriff jurisdictions. Reducing cost, similar to getting your home phone, cable , and interent from the same company
State troopers are a waste of money imho, and should be rolled into one of the other agencies... but that's just my opinion.






But get to the point. How would it be worse than the sh*t we have now?...

 

[Jutt]

Military contractors are not beholden to a community the way a police force is, but I get the point... and think it would still be better than what we have now.

This still hasn't solved any current problems with the police force. They're supposed to be beholden to a community but it hasn't stopped the things that have been going on.


Also, given the nature of private contracting for the military(not just blackwater)

I think it was in Rachel Maddow's book "Drift" where she talks about the fukkery that involved a bunch of private contractors in Bosnia during the Kosovo crisis. The companies employees would really have no one to answer to. They'd be free to do as they please. Contractors make back door deals with the government as it is now, results would be much worse on the community level.

 

[Gains]

Private police force?

 

[Gains]

This still hasn't solved any current problems with the police force. They're supposed to be beholden to a community but it hasn't stopped the things that have been going on.


Also, given the nature of private contracting for the military(not just blackwater)

I think it was in Rachel Maddow's book "Drift" where she talks about the fukkery that involved a bunch of private contractors in Bosnia during the Kosovo crisis. The companies employees would really have no one to answer to. They'd be free to do as they please. Contractors make back door deals with the government as it is now, results would be much worse on the community level.

poor human rights track record and aren't held to the same international laws

 

[Jutt]

poor human rights track record and aren't held to the same international laws

Im not quite sure if you're agreeing or counter arguing...


In any case, if some of these companies have poor track records when dealing with international law. Its not too much of a stretch of the imagination for more coverups on the community level. Especially if local government is going to be the ones choosing which company is going to be doing what as @DEAD7 theorized. I don't think its necessarily a bad idea.....i just dont think its particularly a good idea.

 

[mc_brew]

But get to the point. How would it be worse than the sh*t we have now?...

your argument is weak just because the best you're offering is privatizing police forces won't be worst than what we have now... you ignore the enormous change it would entail to go from public policing to private policing... it's not like all involved stakeholders would just roll over and say 'okay, let's try that'...

the radical change you're proposing requires evidence of more than at best incremental improvement considering the enormous effort that would be required to implement such a system.... you need to provide evidence of radical improvement... you don't just take your kids out of a school and put them in another one with the explanation of it won't be worst than the school they're going to now... they're used to the school they're going to now... you need to provide evidence that there will be significant improvement...

 

[DEAD7]

your argument is weak just because the best you're offering is privatizing police forces won't be worst than what we have now... you ignore the enormous change it would be to go from public policing to private policing... it's not like all involved stakeholders would just roll over and say 'okay, let's try that'... the radical change you're proposing requires evidence of more than at best incremental improvement considering the enormous effort that would be require to implement such a system.... you need to provide evidence of radical improvement... you don't just take your kids out of a school and put them in another one with the explanation of it won't be worst than the school their going to now... they're used to the school they're going to now... you need to provide evidence that there will be significant improvement...

Fair enough.
I think it's best if I just fall back and wait, the police will continue to build a strong case for me.

 

[PikaDaDon]

You know, I'd usually be all

at your proposals to privatize things, especially law enforcement... but if a breh or brehette is gonna be gunned down, it is sick that they pay for the bullets that kill them through tax dollars (which, if you don't pay, you are met with force anyway).

So I'll hear you out. What are the benefits of private law enforcement and what will stop them from doing what we see these departments doing now? If it turned out anything like the private military contractors, the situation would be just as bad.

If a city had multiple private police forces they would all be competing against each other. If one private police force ruins its reputation by shooting unarmed kids and raping black women then they won't get any contracts.

A real open market for private policing will never happen though. It will probably be some fake privatization bullshyt that we see with banking, military, prison, telecommunication, etc. where you have a handful of conglomerates with close ties to the government. And if someone wanted to start their own private police company they would have to jump through hoops and hurdles of over regulation and pay an excessive amount of taxes (while the big companies pay near nothing). Then all of the hipster idiots can say, "See? Capitalism doesn't work!"

 

[DEAD7]

A real open market for private policing will never happen though. It will probably be some fake privatization bullshyt that we see with banking, military, prison, telecommunication, etc. where you have a handful of conglomerates with close ties to the government. And if someone wanted to start their own private police company they would have to jump through hoops and hurdles of over regulation and pay an excessive amount taxes (while the big companies pay near nothing). Then all of the hipster idiots can say, "See? Capitalism doesn't work!"

#factsonly