Why It's Impossible to Indict a Cop

[JahFocus CS]

So regulations don't and/or wont work?

I never said they did, in terms of solving a problem . They are only temporary and can be rolled back at any time if an interest group or class becomes powerful enough to do it.

You forget that I'm not a statist @DEAD7

 

[DEAD7]

I guess you really haven't comprehended anything that I was posting on the subject and were too quick to let someone be a mark for your simple rhetoric. I never once say capitalism won't work. I'm pointing out that you can't sit there and say the private sector would be a better option when it's been shown that these companies are subject to the same corruption that we've seen from the government. If you put everything in a vacuum(which it seems like you're doing) then yeah it works, but it's just not practical for a complete overhaul.

The real difference lies in how the corruption is dealt with.

 

[Jutt]

The real difference lies in how the corruption is dealt with.

So who deals with the corruption then?



I wanna hear your theory. Because in this day, would they still not be subject to laws from the government? The same government that is putting these private companies in power? Wouldn't that create a conflict of interest?

 

[DEAD7]

I never said they did, in terms of solving a problem . They are only temporary and can be rolled back at any time if an interest group or class becomes powerful enough to do it.

You forget that I'm not a statist @DEAD7

Which is why you're immune to my

 

[Gains]

Im not quite sure if you're agreeing or counter arguing...


In any case, if some of these companies have poor track records when dealing with international law. Its not too much of a stretch of the imagination for more coverups on the community level. Especially if local government is going to be the ones choosing which company is going to be doing what as @DEAD7 theorized. I don't think its necessarily a bad idea.....i just dont think its particularly a good idea.

I agree completely

 

[DEAD7]

So who deals with the corruption then?



I wanna hear your theory. Because in this day, would they still not be subject to laws from the government? The same government that is putting these private companies in power? Wouldn't that create a conflict of interest?

Ultimately the community being served, assuming local politics are more representative of the people.
...and yes, they would be still be subject to govt. oversight. Which would be a better situation IMHO, than govt. overseeing itself.

 

[Jutt]

Ultimately the community being served, assuming local politics are more representative of the people.
...and yes, they would be still be subject to govt. oversight. Which would be a better situation IMHO, than govt. overseeing itself.

We have this problem now with local govt not being a direct representative of the community.



Secondly, this is a bit of a deflection. It would be akin to the govt policing themselves, because they're ultimately answering to the people who put them in charge. Which is the point I was making earlier about the other contracting firms. I'm not saying it won't happen, but im most certain that it can happen.

 

[Gains]

That worked out well in Iraq didn't it?
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or post Katrina

 

[Liu Kang]

If a city had multiple private police forces they would all be competing against each other. If one private police force ruins its reputation by shooting unarmed kids and raping black women then they won't get any contracts.[...]

Competition in sectors where humans are (part of) the service always result in the pursuit of lower costs, which then produces a decrease of quality. I highly doubt that a police force will get its reputation ruined because of incidents considering the endless examples of private companies with decreasing quality in service still getting contracts.
In theory, I agree that we would see bad companies getting punished for the poor quality of their service but in practice, it never does.

[...]A real open market for private policing will never happen though. It will probably be some fake privatization bullshyt that we see with banking, military, prison, telecommunication, etc. where you have a handful of conglomerates with close ties to the government. And if someone wanted to start their own private police company they would have to jump through hoops and hurdles of over regulation and pay an excessive amount of taxes (while the big companies pay near nothing). Then all of the hipster idiots can say, "See? Capitalism doesn't work!"

I agree. But also because it's inherent to the free market. You say that type of privatization is fake but I'd say it differently : I'd say that "fake privatization" is what happens in practice opposed to the theory.

 

[DEAD7]

We have this problem now with local govt not being a direct representative of the community.



Secondly, this is a bit of a deflection. It would be akin to the govt policing themselves, because they're ultimately answering to the people who put them in charge. Which is the point I was making earlier about the other contracting firms. I'm not saying it won't happen, but im most certain that it can happen.

I see what you're saying, but what we have now is nothing but a complete conflict of interest.

We have a state monopoly on law enforcement, that oversees itself, receives guaranteed funding, and is in no danger of being replaced. I doubt anyone believes that this is a scenario for accountability.

 

[DEAD7]

In theory, I agree that we would see bad companies getting punished for the poor quality of their service but in practice, it never does.

Could you give me an example of a private business with sh*tty service, that hasn't been hurt by it?

 

[JahFocus CS]

Could you give me an example of a private business with sh*tty service, that hasn't been hurt by it?

Insurance and other health companies.

 

[DEAD7]

Insurance and other health companies.

Their is very little private about health I America... but sh*tty service has ushered in Obamacare, and eventually a single payer system will end them.
Service matters in the private sector.
...but try again

Spoiler

Only in instances where a company has a monopoly/soft monopoly(ISPs come to mind) can service suck free of meaningful loss.
But they are outliers, the vast majority of businesses rely on customer satisfaction to stay in business, and I believe police would fall into that category.

 

[Liu Kang]

Could you give me an example of a private business with sh*tty service, that hasn't been hurt by it?

I don't much about American companies but let's say comcast which I read have a very awful rep.

 

[ghostwriterx]

From what I can gather, most of you are willing to throw an improvement in the bushes if it isnt a perfect solution.
Not really sure there is anything more I can say, since no system will be perfect... and judging by how no one has been able to clearly state how it would be worse than our current system, Ill just have to accpet that we aren't ready for such a bold idea.

Considering its such a radical change, shouldn't the proponents of this idea be explaining how its clearly better? You're argument seems to be "It won't be worse than what we have now... probably"

Not very compelling.