Why It's Impossible to Indict a Cop

ghostwriterx

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:beli: The reduction in cost is reason enough to consider it... add the increased accountability, and transparency, and I don't see what you're going on about.


...and to be accurate its, Govt.= a beyond sh*tty costly job, private= more accountable and cost effective.

Why would it be more cost effective?
 

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Considering its such a radical change, shouldn't the proponents of this idea be explaining how its clearly better? You're argument seems to be "It won't be worse than what we have now... probably:yeshrug:"

Not very compelling:ld:.
The ability to oust bigoted precincts should be very compelling IMO:manny:
 

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The ability to oust bigoted precincts should be very compelling IMO:manny:

I'm not convinced that would be a reality. The same govt. responsible for these systemic inequalities would be responsible for choosing these private police forces no?
 

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I'm not convinced that would be a reality. The same govt. responsible for these systemic inequalities would be responsible for choosing these private police forces no?
Yes, and the local community could vote for the mayor/governor promising to oust the current force, adding pressure on precincts to act right. Which is far better than what we have now.
I couldn't imagine a scenario where the private force in Ferguson renews its contract....
 

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There is evidence that private police can provide services more cheaply than public police. The cost of San Francisco's private patrol specials is $25–30/hour, compared to $58/hour for an off-duty police officer.[15] In Reminderville, Corporate Security outbid the Summit County Sheriff Department's offer to charge the community $180,000 per year for 45-minute response time emergency response service by offering a $90,000 contract for twice as many patrol cars and a 6-minute response time.[16]
There are the usual public choice issues involved that can thwart public sector reform, such as the fact that citizens realize their individual votes have little chance of affecting the outcome. As Bruce L. Benson notes, "Many people are very concerned about what the government is doing for (or to) them, but they rationally choose not to invest in information about candidates or to vote because they recognize that the costs of doing so exceed the benefits."
Another advantage cited by Benson is that private police would have a contractual responsibility to protect their customers.[17] In Warren v. District of Columbia, the court found that public police have no such responsibility.[18] Thus, they cannot be sued if they fail to respond to calls for help, for instance.
James F. Pastor addresses such disadvantages by analyzing a number of substantive legal and public policy issues which directly or indirectly relate to the provision of security services. These can be demonstrated by the logic of alternative or supplemental service providers. This is illustrated by the concept of "para-police." Para-police is another name for private police officers. Many public safety agencies use auxiliary police officers, who are part-time sworn police officers. Some also use reserve police officers, who are hired on an "as needed" basis, with limited police powers. These officers are typically called to duty for special details or events. In contrast to auxiliary and reserve officers, private policing is a relatively new and growing phenomenon.
There are several key distinctions between these options. Briefly, the distinctions relate to the level of police powers associated with the officer, the training levels required for each officer, the funding sources for the service provision, and the contractual and liability exposures related to each supplemental arrangement. Each alternative or supplemental service has its own strengths and weaknesses. The use of private police, however, has particular appeal because property or business owners can directly contract for public safety services, thereby providing welcome relief for municipal budgets. Finally, private police functions can be flexible, depending upon the financial, organizational, political, and situational circumstances of the client.[19]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_police
 

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Yes, and the local community could vote for the mayor/governor promising to oust the current force, adding pressure on precincts to act right. Which is far better than what we have now.
I couldn't imagine a scenario where the private force in Ferguson renews its contract....

Just like they can vote out the DA who failed to get an indictment. :sas2:
George Bush got re-elected.:usure:

The biggest hurdle to systemic inequities in the justice system is that the majority of the electorate doesn't believe they exist.:manny:
 

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Interesting, but demand drives pricing right? Wouldn't we see higher costs in communities that needed policing most? Would they be able to afford high quality policing?
Competition will keep prices reasonable... in theory, and cost(as well as pay) will vary not just between states, but county to county as well.
...and the state is still footing the bill, no change there.
 

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Competition will keep prices reasonable... in theory, and cost(as well as pay) will vary not just between states, but county to county as well.
...and the state is still footing the bill, no change there.

"in theory" being the operative words.
 

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I think people ought to question the institution of police more, what the roots of crime are (and what constitutes "crime"), and what the function of police in society is... if a serious reform like privatization would be on the table, why not ask some more fundamental questions, as well?
 
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