Why It's Impossible to Indict a Cop

[analog]

You really think govt. overseeing a private firm is the same as govt. overseeing govt.?

If it's all cacs whom are in bed with each other, what difference does it make whose overseeing who? Who in charge is going to prioritize the well being of minorities? They're steady cutting funding, shutting down schools, hospitals in black neighborhoods... whose going to allocate funding for a quality private police force that cares about it's clients like you KNOW they're going to have over in the wealthier hoods? NOBODY. The poor are going to continue to get fukked. I don't see how privatizing a service is going to magically eradicate the hate/greed in the hearts of the current ruling class.

 

[DEAD7]

If it's all cacs whom are in bed with each other, what difference does it make whose overseeing who? Who in charge is going to prioritize the well being of minorities? They're steady cutting funding, shutting down schools, hospitals in black neighborhoods... whose going to allocate funding for a quality private police force that cares about it's clients like you KNOW they're going to have over in the wealthier hoods? NOBODY. The poor are going to continue to get fukked. I don't see how privatizing a service is going to magically eradicate the hate/greed in the hearts of the current ruling class.

I agree...


...and no one is stating the bolded.

 

[shonuff]

Could you imagine a private law enforcement firm, choking man to death, with an illegal choke hold, in broad daylight, on cam, suffering no repercussion?
You're saying it would unfold the same way.....




Unreal.
We will just have to agree to disagree.

uh yeh

and guess who people appeal to when pvt company security guards and guys who are governrment contractors hurt ( at at time willfully hurt ) a citizen.....

the government

and lastly - HUGE government contractos lockheed boeing and general dynamics rand corporation - they are all government contractors and they are responsible for the bloat and graft and corruption that goes on NOW

that isnt addressed now and you want to convince people that POLICE somehow will be subject where just industries where planes and infrastructure and military agendas ARENT really subject ecept in the most extreme circumstances ....and often times long after theyve victimized other countless people ??

 

[shonuff]

I agree...


...and no one is stating the bolded.

well yes you are - you are claiming its a better alternative to what we have now

but you havnt pointed to anything that illustrates how it would be better

plenty of people have offered examples of how what you suggest has turned out to have been worse than if they left the govt in place to deal with the problems vis a vis a private company conducting a public service

 

[DEAD7]

well yes you are - you are claiming its a better alternative to what we have now

but you havnt pointed to anything that illustrates how it would be better

plenty of people have offered examples of how what you suggest has turned out to have been worse than if they left the govt in place to deal with the problems vis a vis a private company conducting a public service

The actors put into power by the state are removable... govt. isn't... Not sure how the difference is so hard to see.

private firms don't get paid if they violate the terms of the contract... Govt. gets paid no matter what.
private firms will have to pay fines out of pocket... govt. pays with tax payer money(the people fining them)
For you to say, there will be no difference

 

[ghostwriterx]

The profit motive has proven to be much more reliable in predicting behavior. If we are going to accept the "greedy capitalist that only care about their bottom line" narrative, we must apply it here as well, and assume tying their profits to their conduct will produce better results.

You're going to need to elaborate on this. Given that competition is likely to be sparse and private firms will be in bed with the govt. why are you so certain that the quality of their service will be the determinant factor in profits? Can you give current or historical examples of government outsourcing to the private sector where this has been the case?

 

[shonuff]

dude you are living in a fantasy world- government contractors get paid UP FRONT not upon completion - they have to BID and the LOWEST bid ( or the better connected politically Bid gets teh contract ) that means not only will we be getting cops who are loyal only to a pvt company we will be getting the LOWEST paid cops that can be hired by a place because the contrator is not offering high pay - their drive is to make a profit off the contract - NOT service the public exclusively

which is why govt workers do the job they do - the surety is that because you pay them just a little below market rate they will get a pension and it will be difficult for them to be fired and as surety for that cops ( and firemen and mailmen ) cant strike

you have no idea how contract government work actually operates

 

[FromBillionsCameOne]

Body cams and private(contracted) law enforcement is the way to go IMHO.

W....T....F?

 

[DEAD7]

dude you are living in a fantasy world- government contractors get paid UP FRONT not upon completion - they have to BID and the LOWEST bid ( or the better connected politically Bid gets teh contract ) that means not only will we be getting cops who are loyal only to a pvt company we will be getting the LOWEST paid cops that can be hired by a place because the contrator is not offering high pay - their drive is to make a profit off the contract - NOT service the public exclusively

which is why govt workers do the job they do - the surety is that because you pay them just a little below market rate they will get a pension and it will be difficult for them to be fired and as surety for that cops ( and firemen and mailmen ) cant strike

you have no idea how contract government work actually operates

... and in order to get their contract renewed they'd have to deliver a reasonably good service no? Would the quality of service not determine which force was selected?



....and most importantly, how will it be worse than what we have now? No one has clearly pointed out it would be worse than the govt. ran forces we have now executing blacks with impunity. Everything you list is occurring now, lobbying, not serving public interest, etc.

 

[ghostwriterx]

... and in order to get their contract renewed they'd have to deliver a reasonably good service no? Would the quality of service not determine which force was selected?

other concerns (scarcity of competition, logistics) aside, who makes this determination?
If crime is down are majority white communities and/or their representatives going to vote out the police force that brutalizes its minority population? Are they going to welcome a higher quality(more expensive, higher taxes) police force to appease minority concerns?

 

[DEAD7]

other concerns (scarcity of competition, logistics) aside, who makes this determination?
If crime is down are majority white communities and/or their representatives going to vote out the police force that brutalizes its minority population? Are they going to welcome a higher quality(more expensive, higher taxes) police force to appease minority concerns?

Scarcity is a concern... but if there is a demand, someone will meet it.


You're second point isn't very comparative cops now murder blacks much to the satisfaction of whites, and have no incentive to appease minorities, in fact they actively shyt on minorities with impunity.
At the very least private precincts would have to pay fines themselves... creating an economic interest in not getting sued.

 

[ghostwriterx]

Scarcity is a concern... but if there is a demand, someone will meet it.

"Someone" is not = to diversity of competition necessary to influence quality of service, which is the main thing you're banking on. The barriers of entry to this industry are going to be incredibly high. Even then you're ignoring the numerous real world examples where the highest quality product/service failed. VHS didn't beat out Betamax because it was better quality.

You're second point isn't very comparative cops now murder blacks much to the satisfaction of whites, and have no incentive to appease minorities, in fact they actively shyt on minorities with impunity.
At the very least private precincts would have to pay fines themselves... creating an economic interest in not getting sued.

This is potentially the best argument for privatization.

 

[BlaKcMoney]

If it's all cacs whom are in bed with each other, what difference does it make whose overseeing who? Who in charge is going to prioritize the well being of minorities? They're steady cutting funding, shutting down schools, hospitals in black neighborhoods... whose going to allocate funding for a quality private police force that cares about it's clients like you KNOW they're going to have over in the wealthier hoods? NOBODY. The poor are going to continue to get fukked. I don't see how privatizing a service is going to magically eradicate the hate/greed in the hearts of the current ruling class.

exactly, can't believe dude devoted 15 pages to an idea that makes no sense on any level. Use your time more wisely brotha

 

[DEAD7]

I see that not only is the distinction between private power() and govt. power non existent on this board, but completely fallacious arguments will be validated so long as they support the state.

Lets just drop it.

Its apparent that rioting is the only idea you brothas will entertain.

 

[Futuristic Eskimo]

Criticize others for being closed minded when constantly only offering privatization alone as a solution to all the world's problems brehs.

Another thread, another issue, the same argument