He has 7 Finals appearances, and unlike Lebron, he did it in one of, if not THE toughest Conference in NBA history.
For elite teams, all that matters is how good the best teams you have to beat are. Kobestan constantly bragging about all the 50-win Deron Williams or Chuck Hayes teams they beat, as if anyone gives a fukk. The best teams the Lakers beat just weren't that special, especially not when facing multiple Hall of Famers with a Hall of Fame coach.
if not he was playing those mavs who, you know, held Lebron to under 18 ppg in that Finals beatdown.
The ONLY time Kobe played those Mavs, he got swept in embarrassing fashion, was badly outplayed by Jason Terry and killed in Game 4.
Or he was playing D'Antonis Suns with Nash Amare Marion in their primes and Joe Johnson.
Kobe NEVER beat that Suns team. The only time Kobe beat the Suns, neither Marion nor Joe Johnson was on the team and Nash was 35.
When Kobe did face a good Suns team (though not even good enough to get past the WCF), he got beat in embarrassing fashion.
Or Jerry Sloans Jazz with Millsap Boozer Kirilenko and Deron,
No one cares about that team.
or those rockets with Tmac and Yao.
The ONE time the Lakers had to face those Rockets, both Tmac and Yao were out, and the Lakers still only beat the Rockets in 7 because of a BS Artest ejection.
Kobe was competing against Duncan in his prime (whom many consider a top 7 player or higher in NBA history) almost yearly in the playoffs,
Kobe only beat the Duncan/TP/Ginobli Spurs ONCE, when TP/Ginobli were still only in their 2nd/3rd years and the Lakers had a stacked superteam.
All those other years, it was basically Shaq and Kobe teaming up against Duncan carrying a team by himself, often with some crap role players involved. The best help he had was an aging Robinson or a rookie TP. Out when Duncan got past his prime and Ginobli got hurt the Lakers did manage to beat a Spurs team starting three 37-year-old stiffs.
Chris Pauls hornets, KG's Timberwolves, Ray Allens Sonics, all player that were in or just before their prime.
Keep talking about teams with basically 1 or 2 players that never won anything. No one is EVER calling any of those teams all-timers.
Let's not forget the Eastern conference was terrible and Lebron still went out and joined Wade and Bosh, the 4th and 5th pick of the same draft he was selected in (while in their primes at that) And still only went 2 for 4,.
But Lebron beat 2011 Bulls, 2012 Thunder, and 2013 Spurs teams that kill anyone Kobe beat after Shaq left, and he did it with awful coaching, point guards, and centers the whole time. Not even having to mention the 73-win Warriors.
The measure of a team is what you do against your greatest competition, not how many mediocre 53-win teams you went through to get there. If you had any chance of losing to those teams, then you're not a great team anyway.
Will never touch Kobes scoring streaks, 3pt in a game, points in a game, Kobe and Lebron have the same career high in assist at 17 (Lebron did it a year ago) will never touch his 60 point games, his 40 point games, 50 point games, FG% from 3-24 feet, just as Kobe won't touch Lebrons regular season MVP collection (because cac media voters and his "rape" of the cacette he was hated and Lebron came in mr McDonald's, all-pro, The Chosen One, King. Clean, dances, still as clean as a superstar can get.)
Bragging about regular-season single-game accomplishments against crap teams, and none of them are even actual records.
And then still has to admit that even in the regular season, Bron is widely regarded as superior to Kobe, 4 MVPs to 1 MVP.
Also has to avoid mentioning that ALL of Lebron's regular-season career stats are superior to Kobe's.
P.S. - you know it was WHITE fans, not Black fans, that turned against Lebron after The Decision. This is well documented. So don't use that cac excuse.
Best player in the history of ball and he gone lose more times in the Finals than he wins. Smh
Before Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, Bird, and Magic were all called the best players in the history of ball by many people.
Wilt lost two more Finals than he won.
In 1988 Kareem and Magic three different times were only 1 game away from losing more Finals than they won
Bird was only the "Tragic Johnson" giveaway series from losing more Finals than he won
The whole "Your win-loss record in the Finals is the ultimate criteria" was a new phenomenon started by Jordan stans. Before that, you were rightly seen as an idiot for suggesting that your Finals record is the measure of success, because that implies that losing in the first round is better than losing in the Finals.
And he lost to the same teams Kobe got through to win 5, and yet it took a special collection of Rasheed, Big Ben, Tayshaun, Rip and Big Shot, & Also Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Rajon Rondo to beat Kobe in that grand stage.
Yes, Lebron playing basically 1 on 5, lost to the same teams that Kobe needed Phil Jackson and the best frontcourt in basketball to beat.
Lebron played better against the 2008 Celtics than Kobe did (45 points in nearly winning Game 7 while Kobe whimpered away Game 6 in a record-setting loss)
Lebron played better against the 2009 Magic than Kobe did (38-8-8 on 50% and a sweet game-winner while Kobe had 32-6-7 on 43% as his bigs handled them)
Lebron played better against the 2010 Celtics than Kobe did (27-9-7 on 45% and sick defense while Kobe had 29-8-4 on 40% and needed Perkins getting hurt to win)
The ONLY reason that Kobe got those titles and not Lebron was because Kobe had far superior coaching and supporting cast in 2008-2010 than Lebron did.
