Why Kobe Bryant was a greater scorer than LeBron James will ever be

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Kobe's style was more entertaining to watch. I respect LeBron's ability to get buckets and he brought a ring to Cleveland so you can't take anything from him, but the flopping and basic freight train dribble to the basket just turn me off.
This old argument.

It's like saying the guy at Benihana cooks better than Gordon Ramsey.

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Kobe's style was more entertaining to watch. I respect LeBron's ability to get buckets and he brought a ring to Cleveland so you can't take anything from him, but the flopping and basic freight train dribble to the basket just turn me off.

The only time I ever rooted for lebron was when he had his way with the Spurs in game 7. Compliments of our goatduncan
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:mjgrin:Besides this though I never been a fan of lebron though his shenanigans in 2010/2011 was must watch basketball comedy :mjgrin:
 

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If Kobe shot at Lebron-level efficiency from midrange, it would have lowered his career scoring by.....0.7ppg :russell:
If Lebron shot at Kobe-level efficiency from inside and on threes, it would have lowered his career scoring by....1.5ppg :ld:


And since Lebron is bright enough to concentrate his scoring on inside and threes, instead of shooting 57% of his shots from that low-efficiency midrange area like Kobe does, he picks up an additional 1.3ppg on smarter shot selection alone.


And that's how Lebron magically ends up with a career scoring average of 27.2, while Kobe's down at 25.0, despite them taking the same number of career shots/game and Kobe supposedly being a "greater scorer".




note: these are career totals, not one specific season)

Kobe Bryants FG% from different ranges as follows:
0-3 Feet: .63%
3-10 feet: .45%
10-16 feet: .44%
16feet - 3p line: .40%
3pt% : .33%


Lebron James FG% from different ranges as follows:
0-3 feet: .73%
3-10 feet: .43%
10-16 feet: .36%
16feet - 3p line: .39
3pt% : .34%


Do you even see the numbers you're posting? The vast majority of shots are taken from 0-3 feet, where Lebron dominates, or from 16-30 feet, where they're even. The two players only take 20-30% of their shots in the 3-16 foot range where Kobe has an advantage, and most of those are in the 3-10 foot range where the advantage is small.

Lebron beats Kobe 54% to 48% on twos AND 34% to 33% on threes.

But Kobe is the better scorer because he's got that least-used, low-efficiency area from 10-16 feet locked down. :dead:




0-3 feet: Lebron dominantly ahead, 73% to 63%

Even better, Lebron is good enough to take 35% of his shots there, while Kobe's only at 21%. So Lebron's getting the most shots where efficiency is the best.

Lebron picks up 4.6ppg over Kobe at this distance, 3.2ppg due to higher volume and 1.4ppg due to better shooting.



3-10 feet: Kobe slightly ahead, 45% to 43%

Both of them only take 12% of their shots from this range, so that 2% difference is basically meaningless.
Kobe gets an extra 0.1ppg over Lebron at his distance due to slightly better shooting. :heh:



10-16 feet: Kobe clearly ahead, 44% to 36%

This is where Kobe has the advantage...but it's fool's gold, because he takes 17% of his shots in this low-percentage range while Lebron only takes 10%.

So while Kobe's hitting 44% on 17% of his shots here, Lebron's doing much better by not taking nearly as many of these and getting close-in shots instead.

Kobe has an extra 1.5ppg over Lebron at this distance, 1.0ppg due to higher volume and 0.5ppg due to better shooting.



16-23 feet: Kobe barely ahead, 40% to 39%

28% of Kobe's shots, 22% of Bron's. Again, fool's gold for Kobe, because while he has a tiny advantage, it costs him FAR worse when he's dumb enough that his #1 zone is his least efficient zone.

Kobe gets an extra 1.0ppg over Lebron at this distance, 0.9ppg due to higher volume and 0.1ppg due to better shooting.



Three-pointers: Lebron barely ahead, 34% to 33%, but actually 51% to 49% on eFG% since threes are worth more

21.6% of Kobe's shots, 20.4% of Lebron's. (Lebron actually averaged more threes than Kobe until Kobe decided to shoot nothing but threes last year.)

Lebron gets an extra 0.1ppg over Kobe at this distance due to better efficiency, but it's mostly cancelled out by Kobe's slightly higher volume.



So Lebron gets 3.2ppg game over Kobe due to getting more shots at the rim, and 1.5ppg over Kobe due to better efficiency at the rim and on threes.

But Kobe picks up 1.9ppg over Lebron due to taking more low-% midrange jumpers, and gets an additional 0.7ppg due to better efficiency there.



Your entire brag about Kobe's better midrange shooting efficiency only buys him 0.7 extra points a game there. :mjlol:
 
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If Kobe shot at Lebron-level efficiency from midrange, it would have lowered his career scoring by.....0.7ppg :russell:
If Lebron shot at Kobe-level efficiency from inside and on threes, it would have lowered his career scoring by....1.5ppg :ld:


And since Lebron is bright enough to concentrate his scoring on inside and threes, instead of shooting 57% of his shots from that low-efficiency midrange area like Kobe does, he picks up an additional 1.3ppg on smarter shot selection alone.


And that's how Lebron magically ends up with a career scoring average of 27.2, while Kobe's down at 25.0, despite them taking the same number of career shots/game and Kobe supposedly being a "greater scorer".







Do you even see the numbers you're posting? The vast majority of shots are taken from 0-3 feet, where Lebron dominates, or from 16-30 feet, where they're even. The two players only take 20-30% of their shots in the 3-16 foot range where Kobe has an advantage, and most of those are in the 3-10 foot range where the advantage is small.

Lebron beats Kobe 54% to 48% on twos AND 34% to 33% on threes.

But Kobe is the better scorer because he's got that least-used, low-efficiency area from 10-16 feet locked down. :dead:




0-3 feet: Lebron dominantly ahead, 73% to 63%

Even better, Lebron is good enough to take 35% of his shots there, while Kobe's only at 21%. So Lebron's getting the most shots where efficiency is the best.

Lebron picks up 4.6ppg over Kobe at this distance, 3.2ppg due to higher volume and 1.4ppg due to better shooting.



3-10 feet: Kobe slightly ahead, 45% to 43%

Both of them only take 12% of their shots from this range, so that 2% difference is basically meaningless.
Kobe gets an extra 0.1ppg over Lebron at his distance due to slightly better shooting. :heh:



10-16 feet: Kobe clearly ahead, 44% to 36%

This is where Kobe has the advantage...but it's fool's gold, because he takes 17% of his shots in this low-percentage range while Lebron only takes 10%.

So while Kobe's hitting 44% on 17% of his shots here, Lebron's doing much better by not taking nearly as many of these and getting close-in shots instead.

Kobe has an extra 1.5ppg over Lebron at this distance, 1.0ppg due to higher volume and 0.5ppg due to better shooting.



16-23 feet: Kobe barely ahead, 40% to 39%

28% of Kobe's shots, 22% of Bron's. Again, fool's gold for Kobe, because while he has a tiny advantage, it costs him FAR worse when he's dumb enough that his #1 zone is his least efficient zone.

Kobe gets an extra 1.0ppg over Lebron at this distance, 0.9ppg due to higher volume and 0.1ppg due to better shooting.



Three-pointers: Lebron barely ahead, 34% to 33%, but actually 51% to 49% on eFG% since threes are worth more

21.6% of Kobe's shots, 20.4% of Lebron's. (Lebron actually averaged more threes than Kobe until Kobe decided to shoot nothing but threes last year.)

Lebron gets an extra 0.1ppg over Kobe at this distance due to better efficiency, but it's mostly cancelled out by Kobe's slightly higher volume.



So Lebron gets 3.2ppg game over Kobe due to getting more shots at the rim, and 1.5ppg over Kobe due to better efficiency at the rim and on threes.

But Kobe picks up 1.9ppg over Lebron due to taking more low-% midrange jumpers, and gets an additional 0.7ppg due to better efficiency there.



Your entire brag about Kobe's better midrange shooting efficiency only buys him 0.7 extra points a game there. :mjlol:

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[QUOTE="The Dankster, post: 22239701, member: 21]
10-16 feet: Kobe clearly ahead, 44% to 36%

This is where Kobe has the advantage...but it's fool's gold, because he takes 17% of his shots in this low-percentage range while Lebron only takes 10%.

[/QUOTE]


:laff:

Look at this idiot trying to fool people by posting some long ass bullshyt comment :laff:



It's "fools gold" that Kobe took more shots from mid range than Lebron and still managed to shoot extremely more efficient.. :laff:
 

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Kobe is clearly the better offensive talent of the two .. Kobe's game offensively had no weakness, and was beautiful to watch especially after he started losing his athleticism.
Yet of the two, Lebron is the more effecient scorer. I dont think Kobe ever had a season where he shot over 50%...
 

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[QUOTE="The Dankster, post: 22239701, member: 21]
10-16 feet: Kobe clearly ahead, 44% to 36%

This is where Kobe has the advantage...but it's fool's gold, because he takes 17% of his shots in this low-percentage range while Lebron only takes 10%.


:laff:

Look at this idiot trying to fool people by posting some long ass bullshyt comment :laff:



It's "fools gold" that Kobe took more shots from mid range than Lebron and still managed to shoot extremely more efficient.. :laff:[/QUOTE]

Your dumbass is literally arguing that Chris Bosh is better scorer than Shaq because his midrange scoring ability is more efficient than Shaq's while ignoring Shaq's inside dominance.

fukking idiot
 

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Your dumbass is literally arguing that Chris Bosh is better scorer than Shaq because his midrange scoring ability is more efficient than Shaq's while ignoring Shaq's inside dominance.

fukking idiot
In his mind, Kobe was a better scorer even though he shot drastically worse from deep and 10% worse at the rim while scoring less because his mid range game was better :deadrose:. He shot worse everywhere else on the court :russ:
 

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Spurs fans pretty mad right now
kobe > lebron > duncan
Lebron > Duncan > Kobe

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Hell, peak for peak I'm might even take Nowitzki over Bryant. :yousure:


Not really. But I just wanted to make you mad.

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