Why Kobe Bryant was a greater scorer than LeBron James will ever be

[Bilz]

List of 40-plus point games by Kobe Bryant - Wikipedia
Bryant has played 135 games in which he has scored 40 or more points; of these, 26 were 50-plus point games, 6 were 60-plus point games and 1 was an 81 point game.

List of 40-plus point games by LeBron James - Wikipedia
LeBron has played 70 games in which he has scored 40 or more points; of these, 9 were 50-plus point games and 1 was a 61 point game.



thats what I'm saying.

One scoring feat accomplished in the toughest NBA conference in NBA history
The other feat accomplished in one of the weakest NBA conferences in NBA history.




I doubt you would argue LeBrons conference was the toughest in NBA history


Remember this is a thread about scoring, and seeing as lebron is halfway to Kobe's 40 point games total, he's CLEARLY not a better SCORER than Kobe.

What is the significance of using 40 point games?

Throughout LeBrons career he has scored more than Kobe and he has done it more efficiently. If you thought Kobe's method of scoring looked better that's fine, but individual game peaks don't outweigh a career body of work.

 

[Donald Trumps Twitter]

Tmac 40 point games:
None in the 3 seasons prior to 2000.

5 40 point games in 2000
6 40 point games, one 50 point game in 2001
10 40 point games, one 52 point game in 2002
7 40 point games, one 52 point game, one 62 point game in 2003
6 49 point games in 2004
2 40 point games in 2005
3 40 point games in 2006
4 40 point games in 07

none in the 6 seasons after 07-08

Total:

43 40-point plus games
3 50-point plus games
1 62 point game


So much for that argument.

 

[Goatpoacher]

My first post was the evidence, dumb dumb.

Your first post needs heavy editing for clarification. But that's entirely besides the point. Because you claim that Kobe is a better scorer than Durant. THink about that for a minute. Kobe has fewer scoring titles than KD. So Kobe was not even regularly beating out his peers in scoring. More importantly, a very young KD won the scoring title over a prime Kobe. KD did it on fewer shots and a higher effective FG percentage.

But Kobe's a better scorer

 

[Goatpoacher]

Tmac 40 point games:
None in the 3 seasons prior to 2000.

5 40 point games in 2000
6 40 point games, one 50 point game in 2001
10 40 point games, one 52 point game in 2002
7 40 point games, one 52 point game, one 62 point game in 2003
6 49 point games in 2004
2 40 point games in 2005
3 40 point games in 2006
4 40 point games in 07

none in the 6 seasons after 07-08

Total:

43 40-point plus games
3 50-point plus games
1 62 point game


So much for that argument.

Then how does TMAC have as many scoring titles as Kobe?

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

You know Kobestans are going to be making shade threads at a record pace for the month preceding and proceeding that particular day.

We're gonna get it started early when Bron passes Kobe for most points scored in the playoffs, during the first round this year

 

[Poitier]

Your first post needs heavy editing for clarification. But that's entirely besides the point. Because you claim that Kobe is a better scorer than Durant. THink about that for a minute. Kobe has fewer scoring titles than KD. So Kobe was not even regularly beating out his peers in scoring. More importantly, a very young KD won the scoring title over a prime Kobe. KD did it on fewer shots and a higher effective FG percentage.

But Kobe's a better scorer

Once again, Durant's offense is more assisted than Kobe's ever was

You are too dumb to grasp nuance so I'll let this Realgm thread explain it step by step for you What makes Kobe better than Durant? - RealGM

If you want to actually understand basketball, then you need to learn that efficiency isn't the end all be all.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

And here comes the alternate profiles..


Dude never quoted me yet here he is negging me right after Miami 316 get his ass handed to him.


@Quiet Magician lol


Time to report that ass

So you're accusing me of negging you with an alias? Put a ban bet up for it

 

[Goatpoacher]

Once again, Durant's offense is more assisted than Kobe's ever was

You are too dumb to grasp nuance so I'll let this Realgm thread explain it step by step for you What makes Kobe better than Durant? - RealGM

If you want to actually understand basketball, then you need to learn that efficiency isn't the end all be all.

LOL at posting a discussion on REalGM. Either do your own work or at least be willing to copy and paste.

And it is amazing how you throw out "nuance" without explaining why it's relevant. You haven't even gotten past the definition phase of this discussion. You define Kobe's greatness as a scorer based on the fact he's above average "pretty much" anywhere on the floor?

So you artificially and pretextually eliminate LEbron... because he scores too much in the paint. Guess, what? Scoring in the paint counts in the game and is one of the most effective ways to break down a defense as a TEAM.

You artificially and pretextually eliminate KD because his points were assisted. Why does this matter? KD is able to score more on fewer shots in the context of an actual basketball game.

That's the funniest thing about you Kobestans. Michael Jordan had how many scoring titles in how many seasons? How is it that actual in-game scoring doesn't matter? it's the artistry of the scoring?

 

[Poitier]

LOL at posting a discussion on REalGM. Either do your own work or at least be willing to copy and paste.

And it is amazing how you throw out "nuance" without explaining why it's relevant. You haven't even gotten past the definition phase of this discussion. You define Kobe's greatness as a scorer based on the fact he's above average "pretty much" anywhere on the floor?

So you artificially and pretextually eliminate LEbron... because he scores too much in the paint. Guess, what? Scoring in the paint counts in the game and is one of the most effective ways to break down a defense as a TEAM.

You artificially and pretextually eliminate KD because his points were assisted. Why does this matter? KD is able to score more on fewer shots in the context of an actual basketball game.

That's the funniest thing about you Kobestans. Michael Jordan had how many scoring titles in how many seasons? How is it that actual in-game scoring doesn't matter? it's the artistry of the scoring?

Isolation scoring and versatility as a scorer matters...don't get mad at the truth

 

[Goatpoacher]

Isolation scoring and versatility as a scorer matters...don't get mad at the truth

Matters for what, though? Do you want the NBA to change it's rules to adjust each scored point based on the artistry of the shot? Or the difficulty?

You know what really matters the most for any basketball player? Intelligence. Jordan was GOAT because his on court intelligence was incredible. It's why he won so many scoring titles and has the PPG record.

 

[Poitier]

Matters for what, though?

Playoff scoring and defensive game plans

 

[Goatpoacher]

Playoff scoring and defensive game plans

Maybe it did. I think the Spurs and Warriors (following the 2000's suns blueprint) have changed that paradigm. I'm not convinced it was a good idea in the first place.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

And we been through this, dummy, Lebrons stats were higher against the west because he actually had to play in 4th quarter, unlike in the east where he was blowing every shyt team out

"Minutes per game"


Lebron averages 39 mpg against the west
And 37 mpg against the east


he must play against the west more!!!!



Y'all fukking retarded.


Check the total minutes, including playoffs, then get back to me fukking idiots

Liar. Liar. Liar. Liar.

Lebron's career minutes/game are 39, so it is OBVIOUS that your claims he is playing only 37 minutes/game against the East are lies.

In fact, for his career he averages 39 minutes/game against the East AND 39 minutes/game against the West.

Plus, all his shooting percentages are BETTER against the West, which has nothing to do with minutes.


I ALREADY SHOWED YOU THIS, SO YOU KNOW YOU ARE LYING.


And WTF do playoff minutes have to do with it? Playoff minutes don't affect your regular season stats, plus you only play the other conference in the Finals so of course you'll have more minutes against them, plus Lebron's averaged 42.5 minutes/game in the playoffs so that doesn't help you lies anyway.

List of 40-plus point games by Kobe Bryant - Wikipedia
Bryant has played 135 games in which he has scored 40 or more points; of these, 26 were 50-plus point games, 6 were 60-plus point games and 1 was an 81 point game.

List of 40-plus point games by LeBron James - Wikipedia
LeBron has played 70 games in which he has scored 40 or more points; of these, 9 were 50-plus point games and 1 was a 61 point game.

thats what I'm saying.

One scoring feat accomplished in the toughest NBA conference in NBA history
The other feat accomplished in one of the weakest NBA conferences in NBA history.
I doubt you would argue LeBrons conference was the toughest in NBA history


Remember this is a thread about scoring, and seeing as lebron is halfway to Kobe's 40 point games total, he's CLEARLY not a better SCORER than Kobe.

Remember, this thread is about scoring, so ALL THAT MATTERS IS THE OPPONENT'S DEFENSE, NOT THEIR RECORD.

Lebron's Eastern opponents (teams like Alonzo/Shaq's Miami, Wallace's Detroit, Garnett's Boston, Noah's Chicago, Hibbert's Indiana) have had better defenses than the West in his era.

That's why Kobe averages 1.4 fewer points/game against the East on WORSE percentages for his career.

You KNOW this already because it's been pointed out to you.



Plus, if Kobe has lower scoring averages but more big games, that just means he's a STREAKIER shooter.

The kind of guy who goes 26-46 one day, but 7-22 the day before and 10-30 the day after.

And most of his huge scoring days come on ridiculous shot attempt totals. I showed on another thread that 4 of Kobe's 60-point games come on 37+ shot attempts, which he's tried 22 times....whereas Lebron has NEVER attempted 37+ shots in a regular season game.

In Lebron's 30-36 shot games, he's reached 60 once and 50 five times....in only 30 attempts. That's 20% of the time.

In Kobe's 30-36 shot games, he's only reached 60 twice and 50 six times....in 87 attempts. That's only 9% of the time.

So when they try the same shot totals, Lebron hits 50/60 games much MORE frequently than Kobe does....so Kobe's big games are solely due to volume shooting.


Plus, Kobe had 14 games where he tried 30+ shots but didn't even score 30 points....Lebron has NEVER scored fewer than 34 when taking 30 shots

Kobe's big scoring totals are SOLELY due to inconsistent streaky shooting on huge volume shooting nights....without that, he'd have nothing.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Kobe shot above league efficiency from pretty much every area of the floor and at a greater efficiency than Lebron outside of the paint

THIS. IS. A. LIE.


And you've had the lie pointed out to you in the past, so you know you're lying.



Here's Kobe's shot chart for 2012-2013, when he shot 46.3% - much better than his career average of 44.5% and almost as good as his best season ever of 46.9%.

In fact, Kobe's TS% of 57.0% in 2013 was his 3rd-best ever, way over his career average of 55.0% and a little below his 2007 career peak of 58.0%.

So what does his shooting chart for 2013, one of the best-shooting seasons of his career, look like?

Note that there is a LOT of the floor where he is below league average.



Lebron, on the other hand, didn't have that problem in 2013: He was above league average virtually everywhere but the left block:

And here's the shooting charts since 2010....even if you argue that Kobe's had a lot of struggle seasons in that time, at the LEAST this is proof that Lebron can score from anywhere on the court: Even at midrange, Lebron's 4-5 year peak shooting was better than Kobe's results at any point in his career.

Lebron is FAR better than Kobe from 0-10 feet.


Lebron is equal to Kobe from 16-30 feet.


Kobe has that 10-16 foot range, that "I had to drive halfway to the basket and into the defense yet I'm still only taking a 44% shot" range, that "Lebron only takes 10% of his shots from here because he knows it's a stupid idea to take any more" range, on lockdown.

 

[Poitier]

this nikka took numbers after Kobe's prime (consensus 2009 and earlier) and tried to present that as an argument

btw he experienced a dip as a distance shooter after 2009 and thats the only place he was below average post-prime according to your chart

btw no one said Lebron can't score from anywhere on the floor....he can't score on significant volume from anyone on the floor