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Kobes bball greatness cant be quantified in numbers alone. Dude took the souls of opponents. Man was playing a game within a game.
Why Kobe Bryant was a greater scorer than LeBron James will ever be
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The Dankster and his gang of retards are a one trick pony. They try to use Kobe's early years or post prime years to downgrade him and overvalue efficiency without contextualizing it. Might work on the average poster but its transparent to anyone who actually knows the game.
this nikka took numbers after Kobe's prime (consensus 2009 and earlier) and tried to present that as an argument
Kobe's 2013 season was his 3rd-best shooting season EVER. Show me ANY other shooting chart of a Kobe season that looks better than that one.
In fact, Kobe's two-point shooting in 2013 was his best season EVER.
btw he experienced a dip as a distance shooter after 2009 and thats the only place he was below average post-prime according to your chart
LIAR. He's below average on almost the entire right hand side of the court outside the key in that chart.
More importantly, he's below Lebron nearly EVERYWHERE other than the top of the key.
And his three-point shooting in 2013 was almost exactly at his career average (32.4% to 32.9%).
While his two-point shooting in 2013 was at 51%, FAR above his career average of 47.9% and the ONLY season he ever had over 50%.
So his shooting chart outside the three should be normal-looking for him, and his shooting chart inside the three should be FAR better than other seasons.
And he's still below average on half the chart.
btw no one said Lebron can't score from anywhere on the floor....he can't score on significant volume from anyone on the floor
Why would he be stupid enough to be shooting from significant volume on the parts of the court where the averages are lowest?
Doesn't matter. He had a noticeable dip as a distance shooter beyond what was the norm for his prime.
A guy who was past his prime wasn't as efficient as a guy who was in the middle of his prime....genius
I've posted the ranking of Kobe/Lebron as scorers outside the paint until the end of Bean's career and Bean bested him 90% of the seasons. Stay mad.
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Yep. I dont even try to argue with brehs on the subject anymore. The coli is a lebron stan circle jerk that seem to not understand the game is more than just an efficiency number on a piece of paper. Its like they've never played a sport. The psychological aspect of the game cant be quantified. Like there's a reason the players who have played this game have so much respect for Kobe. Plus there's just so many things on the court Kobe did Lebron simply could never do. I just let these dudes get hard ons for the dunks and layups king
Except he WAS more efficient. His TS% was BETTER.
Your post was completely nonsensical. First off, you were comparing Kobe's prime seasons to when Lebron was first developing and coming into the league. Second of all, Kobe didn't best him 90% of seasons because you simply ignored all the seasons where Kobe's game started fading away. Third, your post made no sense at all - there were just random numbers without explanations and links and it was impossible to tell what the fukk you were even talking about.
I listed the most efficient scorers outside of 10 feet (regular season and playoffs) til 2016, so well after Lebron was coming into the league. You are full of shyt.
Efficiency does not tell you how many areas a player actually was efficient from. Yes, Bean was highly efficient in 2013...but it was not a great season from distance thus his versatility as a scorer was not the same as in his prime.
If he took the soul of opponents, shouldn't that mean that he does progressively better as a playoff series goes along? You know, guys losing their soul and all?
Kobe's history of closeout games in his final playoff performance each year:
1997: Kobe has his famous "three straight airballs" as he singlehandedly shoots the Lakers out of the playoffs in the final game
1998: Kobe barely even touches the floor (6 points total) as the Lakers are swept away by the same team as the previous year.
1999: Kobe only has 16 as the Lakers are swept out of the playoffs for the 2nd year in a row
2000-2002: Shaq prime MVP and Finals MVP years, Shaq gets all the glory
2003: Duncan and a bunch of role players destroy the Shaq/Kobe Lakers, embarrassing 110-82 in deciding game
2004: Kobe and the Lakers completely fall apart against the underdog Pistons, losing the last 3 games with Kobe shooting 37%, team disbands in offseason.
2005: Kobe misses playoffs in embarrassing year.
2006: Kobe loses 3-1 lead to Suns, ends series with 3 straight losses and refuses to shoot in 2nd-half of deciding game, gets blown out by a Nash-led team
2007: Embarrassed in first round by Nash-led team again, goes down in 5
2008: Kobe goes down 131-92 in record-setting loss in deciding game of Finals, Kobe only makes 3 shots after the 1st quarter
2009: Lakers easily beat a series of outmatched opponents
2010: On the verge of defeat, Lakers only beat Celtics when Perkins goes down and they are able to rebound their way to victory. Kobe shoots 6-24 in deciding game, doesn't hit a shot in the final 5 minutes, and needs huge offensive boards by Gasol and MWP to win
2011: Goes down in embarrassing sweep by the Mavs, losing 122-86 in deciding game with Kobe outscored 32 to 17 by Jason Terry on four fewer shots
2012: Go down in five to the Thunder with a blowout 106-90 Game 5 loss in Kobe's final playoff game.
2013-12016: Kobe never tastes the playoffs again.
Tell me, what is your example of Kobe doing all this "soul-taking" of opponents? Are you referring to regular season games against shyt teams? Early-round games against outmatched opponents? Because outside of that Shaq-dominated three-peat, when the going gets tough, Kobe has some of the worst finishing performances of any superstar EVER.
Yep. I dont even try to argue with brehs on the subject anymore. The coli is a lebron stan circle jerk that seem to not understand the game is more than just an efficiency number on a piece of paper. Its like they've never played a sport. The psychological aspect of the game cant be quantified. Like there's a reason the players who have played this game have so much respect for Kobe. Plus there's just so many things on the court Kobe did Lebron simply could never do. I just let these dudes get hard ons for the dunks and layups king
I didn't even post his 45-point game 7 against prime Paul Pierce, his 40-18-9 playoff game that turned around the Pacers series where they lost Bosh and Wade was getting his knee drained, the 49-point playoff game against the Nets or the 49-point playoff game against the Magic or the 47-point playoff game against the Hawks, the Super Saiyon string of ridiculous totals in the 2015 Warriors Finals, his other three Finals triple-doubles, or most of the eight playoff game-winners he's had.
That's some of Lebron's biggest highlights. All from the PLAYOFFS, and with a hell of a lot more shyt than layups and dunks.
Now, show me Kobe's equivilent greatest playoff performances. What will it be, a few 40-point games in easy early-round sweeps alongside Shaq, one Finals game where baby Kobe hit two midrange jumpers in a row, and some 6-24 Finals performances?
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You LISTED those seasons, but you ignored them in making your 90% claim, unless you have no clue what 90% means.
And you're still not being clear on what the hell you actually listed. LINK where you got those random-ass numbers from and what they actually mean, or I'm just going to consider it a random string of bullshyt.
2013 was an AVERAGE season from threes for Kobe and his BEST EVER from twos, so that should be an AVERAGE shot chart from distance and a fantastic one from closer. Show a better one.
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I'm done explaining this to you. Stay in Lebron candy land with your delusions...I'm going to finish watching this FSU-Duke game
I'm done explaining this to you. Stay in Lebron candy land with your delusions...I'm going to finish watching this FSU-Duke game
This is how literally every Kobe discussion with Poitier goes. Poitier posts some random bullshyt that's untrue, supports it with unlinked claims that make no sense, gets proven decisively wrong with clear receipts, and then runs away claiming he won.
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Kobe stans are legit slow and they made it impossible to enjoy his playThis is how literally every Kobe discussion with Poitier goes. Poitier posts some random bullshyt that's untrue, supports it with unlinked claims that make no sense, gets proven decisively wrong with clear receipts, and then runs away claiming he won.
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Yep. I dont even try to argue with brehs on the subject anymore. The coli is a lebron stan circle jerk that seem to not understand the game is more than just an efficiency number on a piece of paper. Its like they've never played a sport. The psychological aspect of the game cant be quantified. Like there's a reason the players who have played this game have so much respect for Kobe. Plus there's just so many things on the court Kobe did Lebron simply could never do. I just let these dudes get hard ons for the dunks and layups king
The fukk are you talking about? Lebron has destroyed entire teams on the court and had them reworking their entire roster to have a chance against him. He had David West damn near in tears and saying he was unbeatable, you had people comparing him to guards, you had him regularly shytting on the Bulls/Celtics, and every team in the East. What's this idea that Lebron's intangibles aren't GOAT-tier?
You're one of those idiots who says Lebron only dunks and layups though despite all the evidence to the contrary. You'll see proof of Lebron's versatility and shooting but ignore it.