Why Melo's playoff record is a cop out and grossly overstated.

[NYC Rebel]

You can make the same case for every player ever criticized for team failures and Melo has had it good, damn good, when you look at what other more accomplished players, with worse teammates have had to deal with. Beyond that let's not act like it's all about the playoff record. The thing that has truly separated the likes of Bron and Wade and Kobe from Melo is the fact that those guys have actually managed to win scoring titles whle the "best pure scorer in the L" might finally get one in his 10th year AND they have played both ends while contributing more than just scoring on the offensive end. Melo is beasting right now and has a chance to silence his critics and I am more than happy to see it. That Heat/Knicks series this year promisies to be . nikkas just need to stop acting like he's the first to catch heat for team failures or like getting it anywhere near as bad as others have.

I don't think most are making that their argument in here. Who cares whose first? More than likely, the same dumb "it's that star players fault" argument applied to whose first.

 

[FreedS[ohh]lave]

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You'reshyt is dumb. It's a team sport, and 95% of the time, the better TEAM wins, not the team with the single best player on it.

Check the history of the nba breh the majority of best teams that won titles not ironically also had arguably the best player in the league on it as well 99% of the time

All time great players usually win titles in the nba not a team full of role players except for once or twice in the nba's history

 

[Prodyson]

he better get to the ecf this year i dont want to hear you cats say well he won a division title so it doesnt matter

Find me an all time great player who got out of the first round only once or twice its doesnt exist

You still have to use context man...

Let's say Martin, Camby, Thomas, and Amare never make it back into the line-up, and Chandler ends up tweaking his injury again in the playoffs, leaving the Knicks with "0" big men, and they end up playing Indiana in the second round of the playoff. Then they take them to 6 or 7 games and lose. If it's clear that the reason they lost is because of the lack of size in the middle, then I wouldn't be mad...

Now if Martin, Chandler, and Camby are healthy... then I would agree. We should get to the ECF.

The problem is people look at stats and records, and forget what the actual scenario was. How many of those losses in the playoffs were people up in arms about right after they actually happened?... When they played Utah maybe? Why?... because they weren't really expected to win in the first place.

 

[AVXL]

Dog...they made it to the Western Conference finals with Melo for the first time in damn near two decades.

The only "same" here is George Karl, who you REFUSE to speak on having shytty playoff success before and after Melo was there.

Then you later graduate to more stupidity as if you expected the Melo led Knicks to beat both the Celtics and the past two years. My bad....only the first three games counted against the Heat. The other two didnt because it was "too late." The 40+ point game against the Celts where they got bumped shouldn't have counted either....that was probably "too early" in your dumb ass artificial bar of time constraints.

LOL

shytty poster...

Hol up hol up breh. You gon try & shyt on George Karl, who actually has coached a team to the NBA Finals & is a HOF coach? Without Karl's coaching, DEN would've never made that run in 09 & would be garbage today.

Find a post where I expected Melo to beat both BOS & MIA in a series. What isn't supposed to be accepted from an elite player is to win ONE playoff game in TWO seasons. And since you bringing up "the first 3 games vs. MIA" numbers, why don't you fill the people in on the context of that argument. It was a discussion about Melo's numbers & him not being clutch when it MATTERS. Care to quote Melo's numbers in games 1-3 vs. MIA last yr? nikka saw his team go down 0-3 and play like shyt & you hyping him putting up numbers as they're getting eliminated.

BTW, here's a narrative for ya clown ass, outside of the 09 playoff run where DEN won 9 games, Melo has won 8 playoff games his ENTIRE career. For those keeping score, he's been in the league since 2003

Melo=Worst playoff winning percentage EVER
You=Worst Coli poster EVER

#yabish

 

[FreedS[ohh]lave]

You still have to use context man...

Let's say Martin, Camby, Thomas, and Amare never make it back into the line-up, and Chandler ends up tweaking his injury again in the playoffs, leaving the Knicks with "0" big men, and they end up playing Indiana in the second round of the playoff. Then they take them to 6 or 7 games and lose. If it's clear that the reason they lost is because of the lack of size in the middle, then I wouldn't be mad...

Now if Martin, Chandler, and Camby are healthy... then I would agree. We should get to the ECF.

The problem is people look at stats and records, and forget what the actual scenario was. How many of those losses in the playoffs were people up in arms about right after they actually happened?... When they played Utah maybe? Why?... because they weren't really expected to win in the first place.

the east is asscheeks this year no reason Melo cant carry a round or two like all suppsoed all time greats have done in the past nobodies sayign win a title

 

[HacksawJimThuggin]

Check the history of the nba breh the majority of best teams that won titles not ironically also had arguably the best player in the league on it as well 99% of the time

All time great players usually win titles in the nba not a team full of role players except for once or twice in the nba's history

That's fine, but a team full of role players is not a better team than a team that has an all time great and a good supporting cast, so that's not really a valid argument.

To be a great team, you have to have (usually) an all time great on it. What I'm saying is that, there's more to being a great team than just that. So you can't point to the great players and blindly say "this guy is a great, but his team's don't win championships, he must not be so great". That's lazy analysis.

But Mike didn't win shyt until he had Pip and a solid supporting cast. He put up his best numbers BEFORE he started winning titles. Mike was still the best player in the league when Isiah and Dumars were styling on his squad, he just didn't have enough help. People used to say Mike would never win and he was just a selfish ball hog.

As great as Bill Russell was, Wilt dropped 50 points on his head 7 times in their head to head matchups. But Russell had the better supporting cast, so his teams were the ones winning rings.

 

[Majestic Pape]

Melo's playoff record gets brought up as a last resort argument when people put him below players like Lebron, Wade, Kobe, etc. If you actually look at the circumstances, it's not really on him. He team just lost to better teams in a stacked western conference. Just know that Melo took a Nuggets team to the playoffs every year since day one that rarely sniffed the playoffs before he got there. So lets look at the teams he lost to.



2004 TWolves - he was a rookie and lost to a KG team that almost went to the finals. They had Cassell and Spree. The Wolves were clearly better

2005 Spurs - Better team, better coach point blank period

2006 Clippers - Lost to a Clippers team that had Cassell, Brand, Kaman and Mobely and while that isn't a championship lineup Denver's second scoring option was either Andre Miller or Greg Buckner. I mean Edwardo Najera was the starting PF on.. Earl BOykins?!?!

2007 Spurs - They traded for A.I. that year and Melo missed all of those games due to that brawl. Team didn't really have to to gel and the Spurs still had a better team.

2008 Lakers - Lakers got Pau and once again.. the lakers were just a better team. They went to the finals that year.

2009 Lakers - They finally got a high seed which got them better draws and he won 2 playoff series, but once again... the Nuggets were not better than that Lakers team that won a title after going to the finals the previous year. But it was 2-2.

2010 Jazz - This is probably the only series you can say he should've won but didn't. They got rid of A.I. for Billups but the Jazz had Boozer, Williams, Millsap and the Nuggets basically had no consisent 2nd option after Melo.

2011 Celtics - Can't blame Melo for that ass of a lineup he had to play with.

2012 Heat - Heat were just a better team and they won the chip.



So basically, Melo had to play in a stacked western conference for the early first half of his career. Not his fault. You can't honestly say that he lost to teams that were lesser than his. KG never caught flack for not even getting to the playoffs let alone losing playoff games. Basketball isn't about ONE player, Teams win titles. Wade won his first title with veterans like Shaq, Payton etc. Kobe won with a force inside be it shaq or Pau and he had a great supporting cast, but for some reason critics look at Melo's losign record like it's his fault.

KG caught plenty of flack. Hell, KG is STILL catching flack for that; you can see it in the threads when he is compared to Dirk.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Hol up hol up breh. You gon try & shyt on George Karl, who actually has coached a team to the NBA Finals & is a HOF coach? Without Karl's coaching, DEN would've never made that run in 09 & would be garbage today.

Yes...I'm going to shyt on a coach with a 78-101 playoff record. You are what your record says it s.

Find a post where I expected Melo to beat both BOS & MIA in a series.

I can't. that's the point you dumb ass. YOU'RE dumb ass is even smart enough to know that the Knicks were going to lose that series. Yet you STILL find a way to incorporate Melo somehow playing a role in it and hold his first round departures against him.

What isn't supposed to be accepted from an elite player is to win ONE playoff game in TWO seasons.

So Melo is at fault for the Knicks losing Game 2 against the Celts when he scored 42 points?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AttmNRv60LM"]NBA 2011 Playoffs Knicks-Celtics Game 2 (Carmelo Anthony 42 pts) - YouTube[/ame]

I see now. Your shytTY argument now is that they should have one MORE THAN ONE GAME in playoff series you expected them to lose.




Look at this trash you're spewing below.

And since you bringing up "the first 3 games vs. MIA" numbers, why don't you fill the people in on the context of that argument. It was a discussion about Melo's numbers & him not being clutch when it MATTERS. Care to quote Melo's numbers in games 1-3 vs. MIA last yr? nikka saw his team go down 0-3 and play like shyt & you hyping him putting up numbers as they're getting eliminated. BTW, here's a narrative for ya clown ass, outside of the 09 playoff run where DEN won 9 games, Melo has won 8 playoff games his ENTIRE career.

Melo=Worst playoff winning percentage EVER
You=Worst Coli poster EVER

#yabish

You're a shytty poster my dude.

You STAY moving the goalpost. Even YOU knew the Knicks couldn't beat the Celts or the Heat...yet you STILL found a way to make an anti Melo argument because he didn't win more than ONE GAME in playoff series YOU knew they'd lose in.

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[Broke Wave]

Lol Melo is gonna snatch a lot of souls in the playoffs MARK MY WORDS

Dude is still only 29 with a game that is not really based on athleticism... he's been giving nikkas that uncut work at the right time I think they can give Miami a 7 game run for their money.

 

[FTBS]

I don't think most are making that their argument in here. Who cares whose first? More than likely, the same dumb "it's that star players fault" argument applied to whose first.

Stars get shytted on when their teams don't win. That's how it is. It's not fair and yeah it is dumb but I tolerate it as long as cats are consistent. What I can't tolerate is nikkas using it when it's convenient and then turning around and attacking it when it's convenient. I recall nikkas using Melo's team making the playoffs in 03 as reason to put him over the Lebron for ROY. Now since Melo is catching heat it's a cop out.

Like I said we have seen nikkas with comparable or better numbers, comparable or better accolades, comparable or better team success catch more shyt than Melo is just really starting to catch so in my eyes it's not really a big deal. I could see if he was taking Bron 2010 level shyt but he's not even taking T-Mac or KG 10 years ago level shyt and yet in thread after thread you got nikkas talking about the "Melo hate". Ain't no Melo hate, he's just no longer getting a complete pass. Can you imagine if all Kobe had to show for his post Shaq years was 2 playoff series wins? Can you imagine if Bron at this point in his career had only 2 playoff series wins? They would make this "Melo hate" look like fellatio.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Stars get shytted on when their teams don't win. That's how it is. It's not fair and yeah it is dumb but.

But....that's the point. People for the most part in this thread have been elaborating on HOW dumb it is.

 

[Prodyson]

the east is asscheeks this year no reason Melo cant carry a round or two like all suppsoed all time greats have done in the past nobodies sayign win a title

Given the scenario with all of our being being out or hurt... would you expect the Knicks to win in the second round if they played the Pacers?

That's all I'm saying.

If they Knicks have any semblance of being healthy... then I would agree with you that they should make it to the ECF

 

[FTBS]

But....that's the point. People for the most part in this thread have been elaborating on HOW dumb it is.

I am with that. I only take issue with people only doing so when it's convenient rather than being consistent with it across the board. It annoys me when nikkas have such revelations of logic and fairness only when it comes to guys they like.

 

[JerseyFinest!]

I honestly feel its some type of smear campaign going on towards Melo and some of the cats on this site is apart of it, shyt makes no sense how far they go to discredit him...its a good thing Melo changed his lifestyle because if they can they gonna try and give him the same treatment AI received at the end of his career

 

[KingJudah]

Lol Melo is gonna snatch a lot of souls in the playoffs MARK MY WORDS

Dude is still only 29 with a game that is not really based on athleticism... he's been giving nikkas that uncut work at the right time I think they can give Miami a 7 game run for their money.

Im trying to tell ni99as man. Melo just has to stay in BBall shape he'll shyt on ni99as @ 35 years old easy.


Ni99as old man post game will be official