Why Money Can't Buy you Success... A Chicago Tale...

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@nikkaz In Paris man you brought back memories with this one. I remember all those names in your original post. Pheave got signed then the next year...I'm doing open mics with him at the US Beer Company. I was like wtf. What happened to that dude Hot2Def he was getting looks for a minute to and disappeared.
Man those early/mid 2000s years was full of hope in the city and folks dropped the ball left and right.

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Doesnt Mikkey manage either Herbo or Bibby?

Hot is still doing his thing in the city. Last time I was out there him, Pheave, Ben One & John Blu all started a group together. Chicago had a lot of talent that all were very close to getting on & causing an impact but the the cats at the top (the DJ's who would take your money, play your song a few times then forget about you) are the reason the industry in the city went to hell. R.I.P. Timbuk2, one of the few who actually looked out for the up & comers. Mikkey may be in the management role at night but he still has his day job as most of these cats making legit money do.
 

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Hot is still doing his thing in the city. Last time I was out there him, Pheave, Ben One & John Blu all started a group together. Chicago had a lot of talent that all were very close to getting on & causing an impact but the the cats at the top (the DJ's who would take your money, play your song a few times then forget about you) are the reason the industry in the city went to hell. R.I.P. Timbuk2, one of the few who actually looked out for the up & comers. Mikkey may be in the management role at night but he still has his day job as most of these cats making legit money do.



#TRUTH. I remember, around that time frame I did an interview at UIC radio station. I think it was that dude Stretch One's show. Off the Air, I was discussing how I was getting love out of state for a recent track I was pushing, but was having issues in the city. He went on to tell me a story about when a top DJ in the city was on the show. He goes on to tell me that he puts on my current track and the DJ actually already knew of the track and agreed it was dope. But we all know if you wasn't putting money up, already had a heavy cosign, or muscling your way with the DJs your only hope was Chicago Hour with Blizz :mjlol: And that was a conflict of interest because he was trying to get on as a rapper too.

the good ol days. :pachaha:
 

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#TRUTH. I remember, around that time frame I did an interview at UIC radio station. I think it was that dude Stretch One's show. Off the Air, I was discussing how I was getting love out of state for a recent track I was pushing, but was having issues in the city. He went on to tell me a story about when a top DJ in the city was on the show. He goes on to tell me that he puts on my current track and the DJ actually already knew of the track and agreed it was dope. But we all know if you wasn't putting money up, already had a heavy cosign, or muscling your way with the DJs your only hope was Chicago Hour with Blizz :mjlol: And that was a conflict of interest because he was trying to get on as a rapper too.

the good ol days. :pachaha:

You took it back breh... :whew:

I hated that all the DJ's with power were trying to push themselves or their own artists. I remember Chi Blizz got fired for falling asleep LIVE on air & Power92 didn't have any music playing for like 10 minutes. Last I heard he was in Atlanta trying to push his mixtape (around 2012) with Teefa. I miss the mid 2000's Chicago Industry... :bryan:
 
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These dudes spent millions trying to get an artist off the ground & yet artists like The Cool Kids were able to establish success without those millions. It's just an example of how Money is not the end all, be all of succeeding in Music. That's all I was getting at due to the discussion in the Kevin Gates thread.
if you believe that, you're a DAMN FOOL.
right before I was on mtv, literally the day before I flew out to do that "battle"...
I was at a sony seminar and the head of A&R at the time (2009) specifically said:
"instead of trying to be like 50, y'all need to be like the cool kids or kanye, they know what's up.
Those kids had sponsorship and were on cable box commercials before the blogosphere got paid to show 'em off.
 

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if you believe that, you're a DAMN FOOL.
right before I was on mtv, literally the day before I flew out to do that "battle"...
I was at a sony seminar and the head of A&R at the time (2009) specifically said:
"instead of trying to be like 50, y'all need to be like the cool kids or kanye, they know what's up.
Those kids had sponsorship and were on cable box commercials before the blogosphere got paid to show 'em off.

Mikey Rocks is one of my best friends & I was close to their situation with Chocolate Industries way back in 2005 before anyone knew who they were. They put in a LOT of work before ANY of the mentioned happened. They are one of the few acts I respected because I saw their struggle first hand. They earned their success.
 
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Mikey Rocks is one of my best friends & I was close to their situation with Chocolate Industries way back in 2005 before anyone knew who they were. They put in a LOT of work before ANY of the mentioned happened. They are one of the few acts I respected because I saw their struggle first hand. They earned their success.
Everybody has help, they still had help, bottom line. I'll give them credit for building a wave (that got snatched up immediately)
 

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Everybody has help, they still had help, bottom line. I'll give them credit for building a wave (that got snatched up immediately)

I'm not denying they had help. Nobody succeeds without help but they did start with nothing as most do & built up a reputation & had people willing to back them. That's any artist/musician/writer. Even video directors & guitar players with talent eventually get someone who believes in them to back them in some way shape or form.
 

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In light of the Kevin Gates thread & @The HONORABLE SKJ speaking GOSPEL about Money not meaning much when it comes to securing a situation in the Music Industry, I would like to share a story I was part of. Now anyone from Chicago knows recently that a video was released from an artist who no one had heard from in nearly a decade & even though FakeShoreDrive did interview the artist I realized he didn't tell the WHOLE story.

This is why it takes more then money to be successful in the Music Industry. My friend Static was a rapper from Chicago back in 2003-2004 who had a MAJOR backer (you all know what that means) & I was one of the producers on the project. His backer spent nearly $1,000,000 trying to secure a Record Deal for him & none of it meant anything because they didn't understand the importance of RELATIONSHIPS & POLITICS. I had to watch this video for years knowing the world was never going to see it until recently he put it out in desperation to re-ignite his career.

They literally recorded an entire album, shot 2 videos & arrogantly approached labels expecting to get a Million Dollar Record Deal with absolutely NOTHING to back it up other then spending money. This is what happens when you don't handle your business, aren't a likable person & have no respect for the game. He pissed off nearly every label exec & even the DJ's in Chicago stopped messing with their entire (3rd Mil Ent.) team. At one point Universal-Fontana was ALMOST willing to take a chance on him but you can't handle BUSINESS in a N!GGA way which is why you see labels like Def Jam throwing artists like August Alsina's albums in the bushes because at the end of the day these dudes forget they are PRODUCTS, nothing more, nothing less. If Epic Games couldn't make money off "Gears Of War" it would've gotten thrown in the bushes no different then an artist that no longer makes a label money.



This is one of 2 videos shot by 3rd Mil Ent. The first one we shot in Los Angeles & this one was in Chicago. The first was directed by Little X & the 2nd shot by Zodiac Fishgrease. While Static has stated that the video wasn't released because several of the girls ages were in question at the time of the shooting (around the time R. Kelly was hit with the accusations), it is NOT the full story. 3rd Mil Ent. ARROGANTLY approached labels like "We got the whole album finished, both videos shot & we're not putting them out unless you give us... 3 Mil." When Execs/A&R's asked for NUMBERS to justify signing him for anything over the standard (at the time) $500,000 deal, they had NOTHING. No radio spins, no shows, no EPK's, no PROOF of a fanbase. Just a star studded album they spent a Million on & nothing more. I had the finished album for years before it got destroyed while moving. The album had several tracks produced by Jazze Pha, Lil' Jon, R. Kelly, etc...

But money can't buy you success & 3rd Mil's attempt to strong arm their way into the game didn't work. They were all so very arrogant & cocky & were treating others as if they had already sold a million copies. I left the label's dealings around the time Static & the owner had fallen out initially as it was apparent these dudes were too street to ever handle business correctly. R.I.P. Que Storm. It was through the vision of Hula Malone & Dejion of Chicago-Based Clubhouse Music that initially got 3rd Mil on the right path (before R. Kelly entered the picture) but these dudes were so so SO arrogant & immediately screwed over anybody they didn't need anymore including myself.

It is true that you can't move around in this game without either Resources, Relationships & Finances, but RELATIONSHIPS rise above all else. The funny thing is the label ended up being a FAILURE & neither the backer nor any of the artists have real careers anymore because they're pretty much blackballed by the same people who tried to help them succeed. It is sad to see what could've been another Chicago artist succeed but life happens. I've been part of so many situations & deals with artists who were so close to being successful. I have several friends who have had Major Record Deals & none of you have ever heard of any of them because their situations went to shyt usually their own fault. This is why it's hard for me to take these artists serious when they cry about their labels when every bad dealing I've ever seen was 75% the fault of the artist or their team.

For Chicago heads... everyone from Bump J (Atlantic) to Ben One (Universal Republic) to Pheave (Motown Universal) all had situations in which they were handed the world by their Record Labels & couldn't shake their own unprofessionalism & arrogance in order to succeed. It's sad... but it's life... only rare situations like Mikkey Halsted (Cash Money) & John Blu (Jive) I can say weren't their fault but most of these street dudes mentality is their own downfall.

But let's blame the Labels...

:mjlol: There are "people" out there who really think you can just show up with a ton of money (most like "dirty) on the doorstep of the Major labels and think you can get a deal (with a 2 mil advance)?

With no singles? no tour buzz?:mjlol:

Why not just go the independent route if you got that much cash liquid.:why:


if you believe that, you're a DAMN FOOL.
right before I was on mtv, literally the day before I flew out to do that "battle"...
I was at a sony seminar and the head of A&R at the time (2009) specifically said:
"instead of trying to be like 50, y'all need to be like the cool kids or kanye, they know what's up.
Those kids had sponsorship and were on cable box commercials before the blogosphere got paid to show 'em off.

Yeah, I liked the Cool Kids but there's no way you're getting cable commercials just by "grinding", you gotta know people in high places or a larger entity "investing" (with connections) in you.
 

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Sounds to me like they just spent their money the wrong way. Not that spending the money didn't work, because it got them to the negotiation table with no spins. There were other things they could have put into their budget where it could have worked out better for them.
 

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:mjlol: There are "people" out there who really think you can just show up with a ton of money (most like "dirty) on the doorstep of the Major labels and think you can get a deal (with a 2 mil advance)?

With no singles? no tour buzz?:mjlol:

Why not just go the independent route if you got that much cash liquid.:why:




Yeah, I liked the Cool Kids but there's no way you're getting cable commercials just by "grinding", you gotta know people in high places or a larger entity "investing" (with connections) in you.

The Entertainment Industry is a great way to "wash" money...
 
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