Why Stacey Abrams and the Dems will *always* lose with Black Men

[Marc Spector]

Nobody reading that shyt

You’re an idiot if you think more black men will vote for Kemp than Stacy.

thats not the point. At all. The whole post is why Abrams, and any other Democrat who will follow after her, are going to struggle more than they should with black male voters.

 

[goatmane]

This topic is stupid because you arent losing anything when 90% of black men are voting democrat lol.

If 49% of black men vote democrat then you would have a point

Agents attention seekers trolls make threads want to give advice how to win over Black men. To the party that gets 85% of their vote. And 95% of the other sex

They wont post nothing for the Republican party that gets 15% of their vote. Except pr stunts like ice cube

 

[Gloxina]

I actually think it is less an issue of anything Abrams has done herself and more an issue of things done by people who support her. If suddenly all the Abrams supporters stopped mentioning black men and stopped talking to them, Abrams would have a much better chance of winning. Seriously. She still has to contend with all the other issues you mentioned but she may actually be able to do that. Unless I missed anything, she herself hasn't said much terrible towards black men. The problem is that all her supporters basically undo any good or ground she makes because they are unable to stifle their hatred for black men for even a second. This thread will prove this point in full. The republicans have a gun to their head and they have a chance to put that gun away by simply interacting with black men properly and they can't even do that.

I completely agree. They are making it too much of an issue. Good policies/agendas will bring out various demographics, including brothas. I don’t think any of y’all are literally looking at her and saying “Won’t vote for her- she’s a Black woman” LOL

They just aren’t properly engaging you, and it’s amazing they haven’t hired anyone who has pointed this out.

 

[Mike Nasty]

Democrats won't push black patriarchal relationships but a freak show, and we don't want that

This is the most condescending patronizing garbage I've ever seen. I'm still not voting GOP, but I get it if you don't.

 

[O.Red]

I completely agree. They are making it too much of an issue. Good policies/agendas will bring out various demographics, including brothas. I don’t think any of y’all are literally looking at her and saying “Won’t vote for her- she’s a Black woman” LOL

They just aren’t properly engaging you, and it’s amazing they haven’t hired anyone who has pointed this out.

They're not properly engaging black men because the default form of engagement to black men has always been chastisement and shaming tactics

You're either being praised for some form of entertainment value or ridiculed for not being a good mule


This is a default setting for everybody

 

[Detroit Wave]

Those algorithms are bullshyt. The fact is that the points in the OP are so poorly articulated, especially everything after the line "Think of it like this..."

I got the gist of what op was trying say

 

[Piff Perkins]

Lot of problems with the OP. I'd agree that there's a clear path to increased economic success in America's economic system. My argument is that neither black men or black women are interested in it, because the one of the earliest steps is marriage. Two parent household. Dual income. It's easy to blame the girl bosses because they're finding more traditional success at the moment compared to black men - they're graduating college at a far higher rate, creating businesses at a higher rate, beginning to make up gender gap income, etc. They're doing their part in those respects. They aren't doing their part in terms of understanding the economic benefits of marriage. Flip side black men on average aren't doing their part in any of these areas - for the most part they aren't going to college, they aren't going into trades, the unemployment rate remains oddly high compared to other groups of men, and of course they aren't getting married.

In short out of all the issues, the black woman "girl boss" mentality is probably near the bottom and both genders share the same core problem. Not only do Hispanics get married...poor Hispanics get married. Both parents work. There is a patriarchal setting but they are not obsessed with "who is in charge" the way very-online black men (and very-online white men) are. White people get married, especially poor white people. Asian people get married. Indian people get married. What are we doing?

You cannot demand a leadership role by birthright. Nobody wants to hear struggling black men with no college education and no job opportunity demanding to drive the boat. That shyt makes you look like a bozo. And until black men take up a mantle of responsibility to improve themselves we're gonna keep having these tired convos. Until we eradicate the idea that a college degree doesn't matter, we're going to keep losing compared to other men. Until we wake up and say "if I don't want to go to college, I need a government job or a trades job" we're going to stay behind. Until the pandemic hit there was a clear decline in the amount of black men going to jail. We're out of excuses. Clearly nobody is gonna help us - there are no corporate entities trying to cater to us the way they do to black women. So the onus is on us to help our selves, and then help each other.


Finally on Stacey Abrams...she actually has a good agenda for black people, and a separate agenda specifically for black men. Anyone attacking her is suspect in my eyes. And given that she's gonna receive at least 80% of the black male vote the idea that she's in trouble there is a media narrative. She's gonna lose due to WHITE PEOPLE, not black men.

 

[Gloxina]

Lot of problems with the OP. I'd agree that there's a clear path to increased economic success in America's economic system. My argument is that neither black men or black women are interested in it, because the one of the earliest steps is marriage. Two parent household. Dual income. It's easy to blame the girl bosses because they're finding more traditional success at the moment compared to black men - they're graduating college at a far higher rate, creating businesses at a higher rate, beginning to make up gender gap income, etc. They're doing their part in those respects. They aren't doing their part in terms of understanding the economic benefits of marriage. Flip side black men on average aren't doing their part in any of these areas - for the most part they aren't going to college, they aren't going into trades, the unemployment rate remains oddly high compared to other groups of men, and of course they aren't getting married.

In short out of all the issues, the black woman "girl boss" mentality is probably near the bottom and both genders share the same core problem. Not only do Hispanics get married...poor Hispanics get married. Both parents work. There is a patriarchal setting but they are not obsessed with "who is in charge" the way very-online black men (and very-online white men) are. White people get married, especially poor white people. Asian people get married. Indian people get married. What are we doing?

You cannot demand a leadership role by birthright. Nobody wants to hear struggling black men with no college education and no job opportunity demanding to drive the boat. That shyt makes you look like a bozo. And until black men take up a mantle of responsibility to improve themselves we're gonna keep having these tired convos. Until we eradicate the idea that a college degree doesn't matter, we're going to keep losing compared to other men. Until we wake up and say "if I don't want to go to college, I need a government job or a trades job" we're going to stay behind. Until the pandemic hit there was a clear decline in the amount of black men going to jail. We're out of excuses. Clearly nobody is gonna help us - there are no corporate entities trying to cater to us the way they do to black women. So the onus is on us to help our selves, and then help each other.


Finally on Stacey Abrams...she actually has a good agenda for black people, and a separate agenda specifically for black men. Anyone attacking her is suspect in my eyes. And given that she's gonna receive at least 80% of the black male vote the idea that she's in trouble there is a media narrative. She's gonna lose due to WHITE PEOPLE, not black men.

I say this with all seriousness- I hope there is someone ensuring you get the big piece of chicken.

 

[O.Red]

Lot of problems with the OP. I'd agree that there's a clear path to increased economic success in America's economic system. My argument is that neither black men or black women are interested in it, because the one of the earliest steps is marriage. Two parent household. Dual income. It's easy to blame the girl bosses because they're finding more traditional success at the moment compared to black men - they're graduating college at a far higher rate, creating businesses at a higher rate, beginning to make up gender gap income, etc. They're doing their part in those respects. They aren't doing their part in terms of understanding the economic benefits of marriage. Flip side black men on average aren't doing their part in any of these areas - for the most part they aren't going to college, they aren't going into trades, the unemployment rate remains oddly high compared to other groups of men, and of course they aren't getting married.

In short out of all the issues, the black woman "girl boss" mentality is probably near the bottom and both genders share the same core problem. Not only do Hispanics get married...poor Hispanics get married. Both parents work. There is a patriarchal setting but they are not obsessed with "who is in charge" the way very-online black men (and very-online white men) are. White people get married, especially poor white people. Asian people get married. Indian people get married. What are we doing?

You cannot demand a leadership role by birthright. Nobody wants to hear struggling black men with no college education and no job opportunity demanding to drive the boat. That shyt makes you look like a bozo. And until black men take up a mantle of responsibility to improve themselves we're gonna keep having these tired convos. Until we eradicate the idea that a college degree doesn't matter, we're going to keep losing compared to other men. Until we wake up and say "if I don't want to go to college, I need a government job or a trades job" we're going to stay behind. Until the pandemic hit there was a clear decline in the amount of black men going to jail. We're out of excuses. Clearly nobody is gonna help us - there are no corporate entities trying to cater to us the way they do to black women. So the onus is on us to help our selves, and then help each other.


Finally on Stacey Abrams...she actually has a good agenda for black people, and a separate agenda specifically for black men. Anyone attacking her is suspect in my eyes. And given that she's gonna receive at least 80% of the black male vote the idea that she's in trouble there is a media narrative. She's gonna lose due to WHITE PEOPLE, not black men.

The glaring inaccuracy in all this is college educated, financially well off black men are the ones doing the complaining

The black man with no job or skills is not the one complaining online about black women. Ususally they're living off a well off black woman and don't care about any of this shyt

The vocal black men you see online are often college educated or making drug dealer money in the trades and want to be married but are looking around at their prospects like these are the black men feeling ignored and ridiculed by the democratic party. That's why black men online get so angry at criminal justice reform being the ONLY bone politicians try to throw at black men because the ones they're saying it to are like "i don't even have a criminal record"

I agree wholeheartedly about black women kicking black men's ass in business creation tho. Black men's fear of ridicule and humiliation keeps them from taking risks like creating businesses and it's a huge issue

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

The glaring inaccuracy in all this is college educated, financially well off black men are the ones doing the complaining

The black man with no job or skills is not the one complaining online about black women. Ususally they're living off a well off black woman and don't care about any of this shyt

The vocal black men you see online are often college educated or making drug dealer money in the trades and want to be married but are looking around at their prospects like these are the black men feeling ignored and ridiculed by the democratic party

I agree wholeheartedly about black women kicking black men's ass in business creation tho. Black men's fear of ridicule and humiliation keeps them from taking risks like creating businesses and it's a huge issue

"Making drug dealer money"
"Living well off a Black woman"

Yall love peddling anti black stereotypes

 

[O.Red]

"Making drug dealer money"
"Living well off a Black woman"

Yall love peddling anti black stereotypes

You misread my post

I'm saying black men in the trades are making drug dealer money. There are black garbagemen and HVAC specialists making upwards of 100k

And we're not about to act like there aren't black men living off black women. Nikka I've DONE it that's why I made the post I did speaking from both sides of the coin

 

[blase_chic]

I agree with you, OP.

Here's my take on it that I shared in that thread about Abrams being on stage with Latto with the PU$$Y signs in the background.

Kemp has been a solid governor imo. He suspended the gas tax twice over the summer which is a huge deal, he's allocated money from the state surplus to ga tax payers (I think $250) and recently sent $300 to people on ssi, food stamps etc., he opened the state during lockdowns which saved our economy, he's tough on crime, and he does not kiss Trump's ass.

Stacey's pro illegal immigration and trans agenda scares the shyt out of me. She's too extreme.

I'm a Georgia native and we have survived and thrived under republican governors for decades. They have not, and can not stop our perseverance.

I don't want GA to become another Cali or NY.

I do not support debauchery. And the fact that Stacey is not a family woman on top of all that, I wonder if her end goal really is to erase black men.


I'm a black woman btw.

 

[Voice of Reason]

Unfortunately the social commentary from the Jamele Hill's of the world have turned a good amount of Black men off.

 

[Piff Perkins]

The glaring inaccuracy in all this is college educated, financially well off black men are the ones doing the complaining

The black man with no job or skills is not the one complaining online about black women. Ususally they're living off a well off black woman and don't care about any of this shyt

The vocal black men you see online are often college educated or making drug dealer money in the trades and want to be married but are looking around at their prospects like these are the black men feeling ignored and ridiculed by the democratic party. That's why black men online get so angry at criminal justice reform being the ONLY bone politicians try to throw at black men because the ones they're saying it to are like "i don't even have a criminal record"

I agree wholeheartedly about black women kicking black men's ass in business creation tho. Black men's fear of ridicule and humiliation keeps them from taking risks like creating businesses and it's a huge issue

Census data shows that black men with higher incomes are married at a higher rate than black men with lower incomes though. I'm pretty sure that's the case across the board for men, demographically. Also I think this forum and twitter are great examples of the type of guys complaining about relationship stuff. It's not the educated brother from the bank making six figures. Or the tradesman making that much or slightly less. It's the guys making less than half of that who are most upset and most obsessed with "high value men."

Everyone knows I don't fukk with Kevin Samuels on any level and thought he was a POS. However if there's one thing that often stuck out as logical to me, it was the way he criticized working class and middle class black women who will not date a man who is also working class or even middle class. Yes women should have standards, and god knows if I was a dime chick I'd be focused on dating/marrying a doctor or lawyer. But if I wasn't a dime I'd be looking within my demographic, to a certain degree. As I said earlier, poor Hispanics marry each other. That guy outside doing landscaping? He's probably married to a maid. Maybe she's in school for nursing. Maybe he dreams of owning his own landscaping company one day. White construction worker dudes marry white receptionist women, or teachers, or cashiers, or whatever else.

They combine their incomes. They benefit from a variety of tax breaks. Hell remember during the pandemic when people with kids were getting paid by the government? If you were married you got a lot of money. All I'm saying is we've fallen so far behind on family structure and that's the core issue. If men got their money up and started marrying we'd see more economic $$$ come our way. It's not a coincidence that so much advertising is focused on black women right now, or white women, or gay men. Those are the demographics that spend money. Democrats, republicans...whatever. How are black MEN going to get right. Because once we get right, all the problems we talk about - from relationships to advertisement to opportunity - get solved.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

Nikka do you even live in GA?

He aint even black. He's cuban. You can't make this stuff up.