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part of it is the pivot away from the male gaze and focus on the female one. Seems like for the last decade. Men have become more and more shirtless.
and women have become more and more conservative in their appearances. We have seen so many of the male actors nipples, but none of the females show any cleavage anymore.

also modern cinema tries too hard to be family friendly. Kids were perfectly happy watching graphic movies like Robocop and Jurassic park back in the 90s. A lot of the kids movies were rated R. or would be by todays standards. You don't have make a product that is suitable for 8 year olds to get the whole family in the theater.When they actually do a rated R movie, like Deadpool, they only do so, so they can have a few F bombs and the same cartoony violence but with blood spurts.

and finally, stop pushing unpopular comic book characters. not everybody is going to sell. even at the height of the MCU. Fans were kinda meh on antman.
I don't think appealing to families is bad, better yet I think them becoming anti men is what fukked the family appeal over. The MCU and Star Wars were built on couples and families

No one at Disney told these nikkas that men buy most of the movie tickets:mjlol: Whether it's a guy taking his girlfriend to see Captain America or a guy taking his wife and kids. Once these movies become "Men suck and actually the female versions are better:obama:" you run the men off, and there goes your ticket sales:mjlol: Because women and children aren't going to these movies on their own recognizance.

If you're going to make superhero movies, you have to start with the male appeal factor and work from there. Men being girlfriends and kids. Pandering to women will get you lip service but that don't guarantee ticket sales, as we've seen

Pushing unpopular characters is not inherently bad, it depends on what you do with them. Enough people loved Antman to justify his existence
 
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It's really not hard to acknowledge if you ain't afraid of ______ saying you hate women:manny: especially with blatant they've gotten with the anti male ____

For Disney to finally admit this means shyt has gotten bad :huhldup: I don't think they expected F4 to do as bad as it did

The tone deafness is hilarious tho. "We ran Marvel and Star Wars into the ground, now we're looking for new franchises to destroy" :mjlol::camby:

Regardless, unless Disney acknowledges and fixes their anti male tactics, which they won't, nothing is gonna change. It's over:manny:
It's really a shame, because I liked Fantastic Four. I get why it's under-performing though... it's the Sega Dreamcast effect.
Remember how the Dreamcast had all kinds of dope games? But because of Sega's years-long history of screwing up and doing poor business, nobody trusted their brand. Overcrowding the market with the 32X, abandoning the 32x immediately and launching the Saturn with no games, not localizing most of the Saturn's best games, taking too long to come out with another Sonic game, not having a AAA property that could have sold the system, infighting between Sega of America and Sega of Japan, the Saturn was too expensive, etc. By the time Sega finally came correct with the Dreamcast, the damage was already done and it was too late.

Long story short, Disney has been overcorrecting for the last several years and now they're paying for it. Some of their detractors are legit MAGA he-man-woman haters, and all of that is trash. But NOT EVERYONE calling out Disney's mismangement of their properties was coming from that place. Women and diversity aren't the issue, Disney's tonedeafness and and inability to understand the draw of their own acquired properties is the issue.
The Star Wars Sequels didn't suck because Rey was a girl. They sucked because:

* Disney didn't have a plan
* They forgot the hero's journey
* They turned all the OG heroes into failures and killed them off.

Rey would have been alright if they had given her a real hero's journey. Because part of the hero's journey means that you have to struggle, you have to take L's, and you have to sacrifice in order to EARN your hero status. IMO Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver should have been the Solo twins so they could have done a storyline that stayed closer to the books. The actors and actresses themselves were never the problem and didn't deserve to get bullied in real life. Disney's fundamental disconnect with the hero's journey is the core issue.

I remember a post you made once that brought up a great point about the kinds of stories boys like, and the kinds of stories girls like. Disney got arrogant and tried to rewire thousands of years of human storytelling tradition in order to appease a vocal minority on the internet, and they're learning the hard way that just because Tumblr likes something better doesn't mean that EVERYONE likes it better. You don't buy the biggest BBQ joint in town, turn it into a vegan joint, and wonder why nobody's eating there anymore.

I'm not saying this on some he-man-woman hater talk, but postive male heroes are needed more than ever today--especially for this generation of ipad kids who didn't grow up with a Mr. Rogers, or a Mr. T, or a Levar Burton, or a Jim Henson, or a Steve Irwin to teach them literacy, kindness, the wonder of science, and positive moral values.
Because the thing that Disney and a lot of modern-day feminists need to learn is that you can't fight toxic masculinity by getting rid of ALL masculinity. Part of the reason things that things got so bad with the anti-woke, MAGA, he-man-woman-hating Andrew Tate crowd is BECAUSE a lot of these young guys don't have any positive masculine examples to look up to.
They don't have a Luke Skywalker to teach them about hard work, resilience, courage, morality, spirituality, and forgiveness. Their Luke Skywalker is a deadbeat who drank alien t*tty milk, gave up on his friends and family, and died an anticlimactic death. :unimpressed:

Their Indiana Jones is flabby and sick, washed up, and fed up with life. :flabbynsick:
Gen Alpha had the Avengers for a a minute, but now they're all mostly retired, dead, partially owned by other studios, or Disney made them soft (especially Thor). :snoop:


This is why a lot of young men are all rocking with anime at this point, since most Western media bent the knee to these mother's groups that ruined Droids and kept us from getting a real Super Shredder fight in Turtles 2. (after they complained about the Turtles using their weapons in the first one).
Anime is one of the remaining last media outlets where young men are able to see halfway positive masculine heroes with actual swag in fiction. DBZ, One Piece, Naruto, Jujutsu Kaisen, My Hero, Gundam, Yu Yu Hakusho, Hunter x Hunter, Demon Slayer, and other anime shows are filling that void.
 
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