Why Was Crucial Conflict Trying To Pretend That Chicago Was The Country?!

[Murkman]

funny because west coast rappers have a clear southern tinge to their accent. Snoop, Nate Dogg, Cube, Warren G etc...all have clear southern tinges

Snoop, Warren and Nate and Cube don't have "clear Southern tinges".
Anyone from here knows most West Coast rappers don't have twangs and drawls. We don't enunciate words like Southerners do, adding or mispronouncing the fukk out of syllables. Whenever a rapper does some kind of bluesy melodies, it immediately reminds someone of the South. That's extremely vague and a huge generalization.

Comparisons are also made because of the low vocal register that us and Texans share due to proximity and migration. It makes sense given the "Old West" was a hybrid of mostly those in Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, etc., merging with West Texans or Okies (who have the "weakest" Southern indicators for that country sound in their accents).

If you were to hear me rap, I have zero traces of sounding Southern. When Pac went over here for a career, he sounded like he was from Cali, not New York where was raised at (or Southern at all.). Listening to how all 4 of them talk they don't have Southern tinges (especially Cube transitioning from N.W.A. to to Westside Connection days), and anyone who has actively listen to their rapping knows the accents are different.

A majority of the West Coast (Seattle, Fontana, Oregon, Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, Utah, etc.) all have variations of that accent, and they don't sound Southern either, unless you counting their great grandparents (Who lived in Southern states and brought that).
My grandma is from Oklahoma.
Due to the huge Mexican presence there, nowadays she sounds like a blend of Colorado, and a West Texan accent. Back in her day, she sounded like an extra in "Blazing Saddles".
You'd be surprised how much we irritate the Southern region with the near perfect clarity in our accents.

 

[Big Boss]

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Snoop, Warren and Nate and Cube don't have "clear Southern tinges".
Anyone from here knows most West Coast rappers don't have twangs and drawls. We don't enunciate words like Southerners do, adding or mispronouncing the fukk out of syllables. Whenever a rapper does some kind of bluesy melodies, it immediately reminds someone of the South. That's extremely vague and a huge generalization.

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yeah the hell they do. In fact, it was that element that made Snoop sound so distinctive

 

[Notorious 1 E.Y.E.]

I always thought they were on some Wild West shyt being that they were on some West side Vice Lord shyt.

bingo

 

[Notorious 1 E.Y.E.]

In the chi we all damn near descendents of southern folks, almost everybody I know got family and grandparents from ATL, Memphis, Mississippi etc.

But flict was on some wild wild west type shyt cuz they from outwest. I wasn't old enough to experience it, but from what I heard the west side used to be the wild side. nikkas from out south used to be kind of shook to fukk around out west now it's the total opposite

man, shyt used to be wild. my cuz used to tell me when they go out west to the circle

 

[Notorious 1 E.Y.E.]

Did this song ever get released from Belly?

hell nah, and everyone is pissed

matter of fact.... im bout to ask them

 

[Apollo Creed]

Didnt read thread just wanted to post this

 

[How Sway?]

im still confused as why people ares saying chicago is country

i mean were the next urban city after New York. We got trains and traffic and apartments and shyt like that

yeah alot of people sound country but that doesnt mean they themselves are

then again i've been around real country people in the south and there is a huge difference

 

[AyBrehHam Linkin]

im still confused as why people ares saying chicago is country

i mean were the next urban city after New York. We got trains and traffic and apartments and shyt like that

yeah alot of people sound country but that doesnt mean they themselves are

then again i've been around real country people in the south and there is a huge difference

Chicago isnt country but the blacks definitely have country customs, accent and slang

 

[How Sway?]

Chicago isnt country but the blacks definitely have country customs, accent and slang

JJ's and harolds FTW

But Blacks across the country still hold on to some of their country/southern customs though whether they admit it or not (yep even you NY nikkas )

 

[Murkman]

yeah the hell they do. In fact, it was that element that made Snoop sound so distinctive

Saying "yeah the hell they do" isn't convincing, but okay moving on. You're the first person I ever heard of saying West Coast rappers have Southern accents, which wouldn't make us well....West Coast.

1. Cube never had "Southern tinges" (Him and Pac also had similar deliveries, so yeah your first mistake was comparing him to Long Beach rappers), so you can count him out for whatever the hell reason you threw him in here. L.A. with Cube, especially has a different inflection when compared to Long Beach where Snoop, Nate and Warren are from, regardless all 4 their accents are strictly "Californian".

2. On Snoop, you telling me his voice in these songs sound even remotely Southern? There's a raspiness to his voice too (1:37 mark of "Who I Am"), which is common in this variety of West Coast accents (from here to the middle and even Norcal): rolls his syllables (especially "L" and "R" consonants) with clear-cut efficiency, - there's no drawl/twang, as he doesn't take forever to sound out words.





P.S. - I'm aware "thang" is Texan slang, but every region doesn't say it with all the "Southern grace" they do.

3. Nate probably sounds that way to you, depending on the how bluesy his melodies can get (that's happenstance bro, you're not exactly providing examples or proving anything) which isn't often. Having that tendency doesn't make one "Southern", various Blues styles are common in every U.S. region. Rather, at times he can have a "Spanish-ringing" quality to his singing (we're talking Long Beach natives here), based on his warbling, almost "cooling" vibrato and intervals he chooses in the 7 note scale of music theory.

4. Since you also mentioned Warren G, I'll just pull up "Regulate" (at the 3:01 mark) being the perfect example with the huge differences between their vocal registers, despite the same range in accent. Warren's voice has a thinner-mid, but drops his range to lower-bass when speaking in that section like a newscaster from over here, extremely clear and punctual. Nate's voice in contrast has an "oscillating", refined low-end even though his is bass too like his. How their deliveries articulate are very poised, aren't sloppy or slurring, and done neatly.



Idk whatever your perception of the West Coast is in SoCal, but unless you're from here you really won't LISTEN for those nuances and just assume "Deep and bluesy = Southern", which is just ignorant in my personal opinion, as we don't sound "Country" either. Southerners who talk like this nikka or that nikka make fun of us usually for how "professional" or "perfect" we sound for those details I aforementioned.
Our enunciation is the clearest in terms of saying certain words, out of the East, Mid and South. If you heard of that "Hollywood voice" stereotype, that's where it comes from and why other regions make fun of us.

 

[Murkman]

@IllmaticDelta This is a better example of what I'm trying to explain

Help us: What does a California accent sound like?

We often get parodied like in the last 2 (At the bottom of that link SNL is making fun of outsiders who presume all L.A. people, sound like the "Surfer Dude" in the other example above it).
SoCal has tons of variations in dialect and inflection for our general range of accents, and "Southern" isn't among them (unless you count Okies, Texans and Nebraskans transplanted from 3-4 generations). However, at my work area there's a girl who has family in Atlanta, she's lived here for 9 years so you can BARELY make out the distinctions anymore. Believe me when I say, "California is where other regional accents come to die" to sound like ours.

 

[Murkman]

im still confused as why people ares saying chicago is country

i mean were the next urban city after New York. We got trains and traffic and apartments and shyt like that

Interesting, Twista sorta sounds "Country" but his Chi accent overall is unique, yet Kanye, Common, Chance, Mick, Bibby, Herbo, Noname, Lupe, etc. all sound completely different from each other. They don't sound Southern (well Mick has those "Bama roots" from time to time, nevertheless that's not a full-on Southern accent either, more like remnants) at all either, so what the hell is causing all those variations?

 

[How Sway?]

Interesting, Twista sorta sounds "Country" but his Chi accent overall is unique, yet Kanye, Common, Chance, Mick, Bibby, Herbo, Noname, Lupe, etc. all sound completely different from each other.
They don't sound Southern at all either, so what the hell is causing all those variations?

I dont know but There levels to this shyt. Depends on what neighborhood you live in to.

Some folks sound country like twista and kanye and some have more like 'white' chicago accent like the obamas. and some inbetween

 

[Murkman]

I dont know but There levels to this shyt. Depends on what neighborhood you live in to.

Some folks sound country like twista and kanye and some have more like 'white' chicago accent like the obamas.

Kanye has too much strain and the nasal shift in his to be "Country". It's crazy on just on MBDTF how many times he changes his timbre on each song he raps in. Twista does sound somewhat "Country" on half the time I listen to him, but man his enunciation is fukking amazing.
The Obamas sound "White"?
They have those Ebonic tendencies though, expressed in the tone of their voice.