Why wont all the black players go to the black schools in college?

[Wacky D]

the exposure would be there, but the talent level breh. yeah you dominated, but you dominated in whatever division NC Central plays in

this doesnt stop players from choosing to play in conferences like the atlantic sun or the summitt league.

Galactically stupid comment. None of these kids are finished products when they leave school, not even Lebron. Who they play with, who they play against, and who coaches them matters a great deal.

you bring up lebron, and dude didnt even go to college at all. YOURE PROVING MY POINT. if youre a big time recruit and you already know that youre gonna be a lottery pick 18 months from now, it doesnt matter where you go.

and most of the big time draft prospects this year didnt even get past the 1st or 2nd rounds of the tournament with these elite programs that they ran to.

who they play with? it aint chit for some of these dudes to buddy up and go to a school together on some miami heat type steez.
who they play against? did this stop players from skipping college altogether and getting drafted before the rule change?
who coaches them? what makes you think there arent good coaches at hbcus?

 

[BillBanneker]

What you're failing to realize is that black players are very much responsible for all that tradition. If black players never went to Alabama, there's no way the Tide would be able to compete in college football today or any day in the last 50 years. As such, you wouldn't have a cult-like atmosphere or rabid fan base. These fan bases developed because the teams were winning. The teams were winning because they had top talent. They had top talent because they offered scholarships to black players.

BLACK PLAYERS=WINNING and WINNING=MONEY
Therefore: BLACK PLAYERS=MONEY

Eh, not true at all. The South is just football crazy in general. Your theory doesn't hold up cause then it should have helped at least catapult schools such as Grambling and TSU who had NFL talent. You really think all the non-black fans of SEC,B10, Pac12, ACC schools are going to start loving the SWAC and MEAC then

 

[Wacky D]

Eh, not true at all. The South is just football crazy in general. Your theory doesn't hold up cause then it should have helped at least catapult schools such as Grambling and TSU who had NFL talent. You really think all the non-black fans of SEC,B10, Pac12, ACC schools are going to start loving the SWAC and MEAC then

good point.

i think the next program that breaks out, needs to jump to D-1 or something.

i dont know how many of them had the offer to do so. i know morgan state basketball turned down the A-10 because they didnt want to break-up the MEAC.

 

[Black Hans]

Because HBCUs in general are when it comes to sports. Don't like saying that, but it's true. I'm not even mad at cats going to major universities. And no, millions of dollars would not be coming into HBCUs and HBCUs would not come to dominate the American college sport landscape. () Stop with these pipe dreams, bruh. All them Jews going to Harvard, MIT, etc. Are they hating on Brandeis?

 

[MoneyTron]

This thread is funny.

In theory, yes, this could work. In the harsh reality of life off of the internet, it doesn't stand a chance.

Too many short-term sacrifices to be made with not enough reward. Critcize the players and their parents but like I said, this isn't just about football. When that bagman shows up and offers to take care of your financially compromised family back home, what decision do you make? When you tour the facilities, and the coaching staff says they can get you to your goal with more certainty than anyone else, what decision do you make?

But then again, I'm not one of becoming an insular community like others on here. I don't think it benefits the black community at all to "re-segregate". There are other ways to skin this cat without having to resort to drastic measure such "all black players move to one league".

*Waits to be called a c00n*

 

[J-Fire]

you can't even get all non black athletes to go to an HBCU, lol....they got lower standards of entrance and do not attract the brightest minds.

HBCU's need a make-over imo. but my black ass likes the drama free fun of white women and beer pong and I shouldn't have to drive across town. I'll stick to the state universities.

 

[J-Fire]

It seems extremely unlikely that a 16 or 17 year old would pick A&T or NCCU versus Duke or UNC. It would have to be for purely non-basketball reasons. I could only imagine someone asking a 16 year old to sacrifice his potential for the bigger picture. is the most accurate response.

Now if a top prospect decided that they would attend an HBCU, I doubt that he would have enough success to warrant other kids into attending. Especially in football.

for non basketball reasons duke and UNC are the superior schools academically.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Eh, not true at all. The South is just football crazy in general. Your theory doesn't hold up cause then it should have helped at least catapult schools such as Grambling and TSU who had NFL talent. You really think all the non-black fans of SEC,B10, Pac12, ACC schools are going to start loving the SWAC and MEAC then

They wouldn't have to. TV will love them. NFL scouts will love them.

People root for schools they don't go to all the time. A kid in NY who loved Reggie Bush at USC could just as easily love him at Bethune-Cookman as long as there was exposure.

No way ABC airs a watered down Big 10 in favor of an elite MEAC.

As I said, Harvard has money and an affluent alumni community. But they're not good and they don't get exposure because they don't have the players. Same for Duke. Duke has great basketball facilities because their basketball team is good. Same fans, same alumni in football, but the football program doesn't get as much money. Why? Because they don't win! People will support a winner.

Grambling and TSU have very little NFL talent. They can't compete with the big schools because they don't have the players. But if the players switched uniforms, no one would care about the big schools, they'd only care about the teams with the best players. Ultimately it's the players people want to see.

Fan bases don't win National Championships. Fan bases don't win Heismans. Fan bases don't get drafted in the 1st round. That's the players. And the best players will will the chips, the Heismans and get drafted in the 1st round regardless of school.

 

[J-Fire]

you have to make HBCU more attractive to blacks that Are not athletes and to all walks of people.

simply upping the entrance requirements and being elite academically goes a long ways. HBCU is a step down academically from the students they admit as it stands. Blacks going to prep/private school paying 20-30gs a year for high school ain't bout the HBCU unless they were scholarships kids in private high school. A few HBCU need to compete academically with the top 25schools in the country imo.

 

[thenatural]

for non basketball reasons duke and UNC are the superior schools academically.

Eh, not many elite prospects go to these universities for academic reasons. I was referring to the idea that they need to be a trailblazer for a social issue that they probably can't wrap their head around.

 

[godkiller]

Because college brand names aren't built on players. They only last 4 years at a time. But raucous fanbases, great coaches, and a large alumni foundation are more long-term.

The mistake you guys are making is thinking that 5 star recruits going to HBCUs should be the first step. That's unrealistic and solves little. Do a better job graduating students and building a stronger relationship with alumni first. Then rebuild your facilities as your endowment grows. THEN, and only then will the top athletes starting coming in.

HBCUs actually graduate black students at better then national average. Law schools, medical schools and businesses recruit heavily from HBCUs and the alumni system for several schools is strong in high-powered professions. The point is that players don't attend state schools for graduation rate or alumni power, players attend state schools for the benefits, coaching and .exposure. All three of those variables are a function of money. Since state schools have a larger student base--i.e, the entire cac population--they bring in more money and can afford to provide more benefits, better coaching and offer more exposure. HBCUs basically fail to bring in talent because they fail to bring in money and they fail to bring in money because there aren't enough devoted blacks which are willing to support HBCUs over state schools.

 

[MoneyTron]

People talk about HBCU academic standards but the average state school like UMich doesn't have the highest academic standards either..

In terms of academics, Michigan isn't your average state school. Not even close.

 

[IGSaint12]

We're an unorganized, stupid race.

Look at this self hate. Jesus.

 

[BillBanneker]

They wouldn't have to. TV will love them. NFL scouts will love them.

People root for schools they don't go to all the time. A kid in NY who loved Reggie Bush at USC could just as easily love him at Bethune-Cookman as long as there was exposure.

No way ABC airs a watered down Big 10 in favor of an elite MEAC.

As I said, Harvard has money and an affluent alumni community. But they're not good and they don't get exposure because they don't have the players. Same for Duke. Duke has great basketball facilities because their basketball team is good. Same fans, same alumni in football, but the football program doesn't get as much money. Why? Because they don't win! People will support a winner.

Grambling and TSU have very little NFL talent. They can't compete with the big schools because they don't have the players. But if the players switched uniforms, no one would care about the big schools, they'd only care about the teams with the best players. Ultimately it's the players people want to see.

Fan bases don't win National Championships. Fan bases don't win Heismans. Fan bases don't get drafted in the 1st round. That's the players. And the best players will will the chips, the Heismans and get drafted in the 1st round regardless of school.

That's the thing, there is no expose other than you saying that they will have it. How? what TV contracts. If Reggie Bush was at Bethune-Cookman we'll just get some sportscenter highlights. Plus, a lot of people can like an individual player, but not really care about the team at all (Marshall Faulk and LT come to mind).

Harvard doesn't emphasize football/basketball, plus the Ivy league isn't big time sports conference compared to the ACC.

Back in the day Grambling and TSU (and a host of other HBCUs) churned out NFL talent and it didn't help them the way you said it should.

And being a winner and having elite talent isn't really apples to apples. A watered down SEC or B10 still producing a high ranking team would still have more pull, than a non big conference team (not just HBCU). Name brand has a lot of pull.

 

[avon barksdale]

These responses are exactly why I am ASHAMED of my people. No foresight. No planning. No unity. This is exactly why we're in the situation we're in now. You brothas have been conditioned. Even your conditioning has been conditioned.

If my theory the facts I presented sound good in theory then it would be beautiful in reality.

But it all goes back to your conditioning. You do realize the top programs used to not allow black people to play at all right? Once they started letting them in THEN the HBCU's stood no chance. But they could have shunned the white schools then and met them on the field. That would have completely changed the dynamics of college sports. The way it is now has already been established. What I'm trying to get you c00ns to understand is that if we stayed at HBCU's after integration, guess who would have been the powerhouses. Texas with all white players or Grambling with all black players? You talk about facilities but fail to mention that one of the main reasons white schools have better facilities is BLACK PLAYERS. Take all the black players and put them at HBCU's and FAMU dominates FSU. Southern dominates LSU. As such, the FAMUs and the Southerns would get all those millions that the FSUs and the LSUs make off the black players.

You talk about exposure and competition. Scouts are going where the talent is. Period. If all the talent was at HBCUs, then all the scouts would be at HBCUs.

You guys are talking about 2015 as if this isn't a century old system. Of course now it would be hard to get every black recruit to sacrifice and go to an inferior program but our failures began decades ago. This ties into that "Black People Are Cowards" thread. Insteada fighting for ours then and now, we just accept being accepted.

Like I said... 5 star thread but the c00ns are out in broad daylight.

couldn't have said it better