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let me know which religion has proof of their interaction with god in 2014. ill be the first to admit i was wrong
Why would a loving God send people to hell?
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let me know which religion has proof of their interaction with god in 2014. ill be the first to admit i was wrong
the idea of "proof" when it comes religious matters is subjective.
let me know which religion has proof of their interaction with god in 2014. ill be the first to admit i was wrong
Physical proof cannot be used to prove spiritual things
Everythingg
King-Over-Kingz
Of course
Does it make sense to you that God would try to reveal Himself in ways NOT in correlation with human understanding? Like what sense would it make to you if God tried to reveal Himself to you in ways you couldnt and wouldnt understand?
Thats just mumbo jumbo talk quite honestly. Sure the term "love" is a human concept. But what it represents is something real. I remember when I was 8 and on my grandma's farm, I was bullying a little chicken by chasing after it or lightly kicking it (cant remember exactly) . What I do remember is that after some time of doing this, the mother chicken started chasing after me to get me to stop. This shows that while the term "love" is surely a human concept, what it actually represents is NOT. In the instance of my story, the mother chick showed that it had love for the little chick I was bullying.
So YES, its a mistake to assume that God SIMPLY thinks in terms of love and hate. But it is NOT a mistake to think that God does consist of love AND hate...
God created humans with thought and the ability to make choices. So if they have that ability, why would God NOT care for them using what He gave them in accordance to the way He wants vs them using it in contradiction to the way He wants? Why would God give us feelings (such as love, empathy etc...) that HE does not have Himself?
Everythingg
King-Over-Kingz
let me know which religion has proof of their interaction with god in 2014. ill be the first to admit i was wrong
If you really wanted to know, you'd be on the search yourself. Instead you rather sit on your hands and wait for God to do EVEN MORE than He already has concerning you... Its probably not going to happen, but hey, maybe God will show you EVEN MORE mercy than He already has and let what you wish come true. I dont know though...
& @Chris.B
The only "choice" one makes is to decide whether they care to have true beliefs or not. Once you do that, it's impossible to accept most religious claims, because if something requires faith, by definition, it's unbelievable. If a claim is incredible, and there's little to no evidence to support it, and someone cares to only believe in things demonstrably true, then how could someone honestly "choose" to believe?
But on another note, I don't think people like J. Shuttleworth think most people deserve eternal hellfire. His theology has terrified him so much that he's simply too afraid to say so. Major religions have ingeniously made followers believe you are somehow lesser or an evil person for making these logical connections. And sorry to invoke a cliche, but you don't need to know the entire life of say, Hitler, to say "He probably did some good, but he was a racist POS who had millions of people killed, and probably is deserving of some afterlife retribution". JS doesn't think he can make that assessment, but I refuse to believe he lacks that kind of humanity.
No, of course I never said don't be grateful to anyone. I said it's extremely scary is that you think we should be grateful to an imaginary, human made person.Being grateful is scary to you?
To answer OP's question, God would do that because that's how the author wrote him.
Why wouldn't Batman kill the Joker even if it would solve a lot of hims problems? Because that's how Bill Finger wrote him.
This whole thread is full of massive mental gymnastics, and these weird faux-logical arguments.
God doesn't exist. I'm not trying to bash anyone's religion, but religious stories are just that, stories.
Why wouldn't Batman kill the Joker even if it would solve a lot of hims problems? Because that's how Bill Finger wrote him.
This whole thread is full of massive mental gymnastics, and these weird faux-logical arguments.
God doesn't exist. I'm not trying to bash anyone's religion, but religious stories are just that, stories.
Jesus Shuttlesworth
I Got Game
You think God is a person? No wonder you're confused.
So you agree being grateful is good. Are you grateful for your family? If so, to whom do you show this gratitude?
You think God is a person? No wonder you're confused.
So you agree being grateful is good. Are you grateful for your family? If so, to whom do you show this gratitude?
I don't know what's so hard about this concept. I'm grateful FOR my family TO my family. They specifically are the ones who cared for me, fed me, and loved me, so I thank them for that. But you're invoking some outside entity, for which you, nor anyone else, can objectively demonstrate ACTUALLY did anything for me, and that I should be grateful about. It's nonsense. It's no different from a kid waking up on Christmas to find presents, and thanking Santa because someone told him Santa brings Christmas presents. Unless you can give good reason why I should think some other being is responsible for my well being, I will not do so. Furthermore, I'll continue to give thanks to the people in my family who did so much for me because, as far as I can tell, they are the ones directly responsible.
Jesus Shuttlesworth
I Got Game
This makes no sense. Grammatically, logically, literally... it just makes no sense.
If I give you a birthday card, you would be thankful TO me FOR the card. How ass backwards is it to be thankful FOR the card TO the card? That makes absolutely no sense.
Your family did not give you your family.
You are clearly confused. Please don't quote me again because I don't really wanna talk to you.
Figure of speech. Call it whatever you want.You think God is a person? No wonder you're confused.
So you agree being grateful is good. Are you grateful for your family? If so, to whom do you show this gratitude?
I was going to use "it" but I used "person" because that's what many religous people do see "it" as.NoMayo has addressed your second point.
This makes no sense. Grammatically, logically, literally... it just makes no sense.
If I give you a birthday card, you would be thankful TO me FOR the card. How ass backwards is it to be thankful FOR the card TO the card? That makes absolutely no sense.
Your family did not give you your family.
You are clearly confused. Please don't quote me again because I don't really wanna talk to you.
Asinine analogy. The card is an inanimate object that has no will. Family is not a thing to be bought and given. It is a concept. A family is a collection of individuals whom we apply that label. Unless you are adopted, no one gives you a family. It is the natural result of being born to specific individuals. One can choose a card ... you cannot choose your family.
Jesus Shuttlesworth
I Got Game
But you just said you are grateful for your family. But no one gave it to you? You are illogical and confused. As I said, I don't wish to go back and forth with you. You're wasting my time with you ridiculousness.
Now you're on ignore.
Figure of speech. Call it whatever you want.
NoMayo has addressed your second point.
No, NoMayo quickly got shat on. Deep down inside you know God to exist. It's no "figure of speech" because even if you don't say it, you feel it. And then you deny it.
You can't be thankful to "nothing." If you are thankful, you are thankful to something. You just don't know who to give thanks to. You're ignorant on the matter. Too ignorant for me to waste my time on. Mathematicians don't spend their days debating how to count with kindergarteners.