Wild Card Gym's Shane Langford's Facebook Rant on Mayweather Being a Cherry Picker

[SuikodenII]

First I'd like to begin by saying I love Shane's show, Berserk, and props to him for surviving the Eclipse...

 

[Alpha Dog]

Mayweather recent opponents:
Alvarez: #10 PFP as of today
Guerrero: #9 PFP at time of fight
Cotto: NR PFP at time of fight (#1 Junior middleweight at time of fight, fought at junior middleweight)
Ortiz: NR at time of fight
Mosley: #3 PFP at time of fight
Marquez: #2 PFP at time of fight
Hatton: #4 PFP at time of fight

 

[Mr. Leonidas]

Mayweather recent opponents:
Alvarez: #10 PFP as of today
Guerrero: #9 PFP at time of fight
Cotto: NR PFP at time of fight (#1 Junior middleweight at time of fight, fought at junior middleweight)
Ortiz: NR at time of fight
Mosley: #3 PFP at time of fight
Marquez: #2 PFP at time of fight
Hatton: #4 PFP at time of fight

Source? Links?

 

[Alpha Dog]

Source? Links?

Alvarez: Pound for Pound Rankings Today
Guerrero: Floyd Mayweather vs. Robert Guerrero - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Cotto: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs. Miguel Cotto - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia
Ortiz: Nothing to source
Mosley: Shane Mosley vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr. - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia
Marquez: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Juan Manuel Marquez - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia
Hatton: Can't find the link I used, but he was #8 in the rankings going into the Pacquiao fight and that was after he lost to Mayweather Ricky Hatton vs. Manny Pacquiao - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

 

[Mr. Leonidas]

Alvarez: Pound for Pound Rankings Today
Guerrero: Floyd Mayweather vs. Robert Guerrero - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Cotto: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs. Miguel Cotto - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia
Ortiz: Nothing to source
Mosley: Shane Mosley vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr. - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia
Marquez: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Juan Manuel Marquez - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia
Hatton: Can't find the link I used, but he was #8 in the rankings going into the Pacquiao fight and that was after he lost to Mayweather Ricky Hatton vs. Manny Pacquiao - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

First things first, RING magazine is no longer a credible source for true rankings. Theyre owned by Oscar, whos apart of Golden Boy, and the magazine has already showed that as a result of said ownership their integrity has been compromised. The biggest and most recent example is the fact that Kell Brook is rated #3 in the WW rankings, ABOVE Bradley!

Now to your list-

1. Alvarez rated #10 p4p??

2. Guerrero rated #3 WW over Pacquiao & Bradley and #9 p4p for beating Berto??

3. Cotto rated #1 JW?

4. Ortiz was rated #3 under Pacquiao & Mayweather at the time, because he beat Berto

5. Mosley rated #3 p4p for beating MARGARITO??!?

6. Marquez rated #2 p4p, coming off a Pacquiao loss and 2 wins over Casamayor and Diaz???

7. Hatton was rated!?!?!?!

 

[Alpha Dog]

First things first, RING magazine is no longer a credible source for true rankings. Theyre owned by Oscar, whos apart of Golden Boy, and the magazine has already showed that as a result of said ownership their integrity has been compromised. The biggest and most recent example is the fact that Kell Brook is rated #3 in the WW rankings, ABOVE Bradley!

Now to your list-

1. Alvarez rated #1 0 p4p??

2. Guerrero rated #3 WW over Pacquiao & Bradley and #9 p4p for beating Berto??

3. Cotto rated [URL=http://www.the-coli.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] JW?

4. Ortiz was rated #3 under Pacquiao & Mayweather at the time, because he beat Berto

5. Mosley rated #3 p4p for beating MARGARITO??!?

6. Marquez rated [URL=http://www.the-coli.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2]#2 [/URL] p4p, coming off a Pacquiao loss and 2 wins over Casamayor and Diaz???

7. Hatton was rated!?!?!?!

They aren't my rankings, you wanted where people were when they fought Mayweather and I provided what is considered the best and first source for PFP (Ring), if you think another publication or writer does better PFP rankings you can pull them out.

I won't break down every fighter but I agree that Guerrero and Ortiz were ranked too high. Canelo is probably isn't top 10 but he still is a beast and and the best fight to make (outside of Pacquiao obviously).

Marquez lost a split decision to Pacquiao in a fight a lot of people think he won

Spoiler

Unofficial Scorecards:
Greg Beecham, Associated Press: 114-113 Marquez
Joe Santoliquito, Ring Magazine: 115-112 Marquez
Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
Eric Raskin, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights: 115-112 Marquez
Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest: 114-113 Marquez
Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports:115-112 Marquez
Victor Perea, FightNews.com: 115-113 Marquez
James Slater, EastSideBoxing.com: 114-113 Marquez
Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
Norm Frauenheim, Arizona Republic: 114-113 Marquez
Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV: 114-113 Marquez
Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters: 114-113 Marquez
Gabriel Montoya, DogHouseBoxing: 114-113 Marquez
Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com: 114-113 Marquez
Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com: 114-113 Marquez
Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com: 114-113 Marquez
Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com: 115-113 Marquez
Bruce McTavish, International Judge: 115-112 Marquez
Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer: 114-113 Marquez
Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com: 114-113 Marquez
William Detloff, The Ring Magazine: 115-113 Marquez
Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com: 114-113 Marquez
Nonito Donaire: 114-113 Marquez
Graham Houston, FightWriter.com :115-112 Marquez
Andrew Walker, EastSideBoxing.com: 115-114 Marquez
Jeff Pryor, The Boxing Bulletin: 114-113 Marquez
Andrew Fruman, The Boxing Bulletin: 114-113 Marquez
Brian Gorman, RingTalk.com: 114-113 Marquez
Pedro Fernandez, RingTalk.com: 115-113 Marquez
Gary Purfield, The Boxing Tribune: 115-113 Marquez
Larry Merchant, HBO: 114-114 Draw
Beau Denison, The Fist: 114-114 Draw
Marco Antonio Barrera: Draw
Nate Campbell: Draw
Mark Lichtenfeld, Boxing Digest/ThroughTheRopes Radio Program, SportsByLineUSA: Draw
Bill Scherer, Suite101.com: 114-114 Draw
Brad c00ney, 8CountNews.com: 114-114 Draw
Doug Fischer, MaxBoxing.com: 114-114 Draw
Lee Payton, The Boxing Bulletin: 114-114 Draw
Harold Lederman, HBO: 115-112 Pacquiao
Eric Sloan, Washington, D.C. examiner.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Ken Pollitt, The13thRound.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Michael Nelson, The Boxing Bulletin: 114-113 Pacquiao
John Vaci, The Boxing Bulletin: 115-113 Pacquiao
Aaron Jones, FightBeat.com: 115-112 Pacquiao
Pablo Fletes, LaPrensa: 114-113 Pacquiao
Dave Larzelere, The Sporting News: 114-113 Pacquiao
Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 114-113 Pacquiao
Bill Dwyer, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Pacquiao
Undisputed, Round-By-Round Update Correspondent, DogHouseBoxing: 115-114 Pacquiao
Jeff Haney, Las Vegas Sun: 114-113 Pacquiao
Lee Groves, MaxBoxing.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Ryan Maquinana, MaxBoxing.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Franklin McNeil, Newark Star-Ledger: 114-113 Pacquiao
Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: 114-113 Pacquiao
Carlos Arias, Orange County Register: 114-113 Pacquiao
Frances Martel, RingTalk.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Jason Aniel, RingTalk.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Mark Lyons, 8CountNews.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Ryan Songalia, BoxingScene.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Michael Marley, BoxingConfidential.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Steve Cofield, Lotus Broadcasting Las Vegas/ESPN Radio: 114-113 Pacquiao
Dave Cokin, Lotus Broadcasting Las Vegas/ESPN Radio: 115-112 Pacquiao
Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: 115-112 Pacquiao
Michael Katz, BoxingScene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Ben Thompson, FightHype.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Mike DeLisa, CyberBoxingZone.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Ace Freeman, FightFan.com: 115-112 Pacquiao
dikk Flaherty, Boxing Judge (the judge replaced by Tom Miller): 114-113 Pacquiao
Michael Swann, 15Rounds.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Jim Murphy, TheSweetScience.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
None of the above scores for Marquez is from Mexican media/boxers.
None of the above scores for Pacquiao is from Philippine media/boxers.
Among those unofficial scorers above, 32 scored the bout for Marquez, 32 scored it for Pacquiao, and the remainder scored it a draw.

He then was the first person to stop Casamayor and Diaz before fighting a returning Mayweather. Him and Pacquiao were pretty undisputed as the #1 and #2 PFP fighters at the time. Scott Crist from Bad Left Hook wrote

Spoiler

The Top Five: Everything stays the same. Pacquiao and Marquez currently rule the sport, at least until Mayweather's September 19 return. The gap between Pacquiao and Marquez is much closer than a lot of more casual fans really realize. The two are separated by one point on six judges' scorecards are two fights. Mayweather remains unranked because we don't know what he'll look like upon his return.

I get that people shyt on Hatton now because of how Mayweather and Pacquiao abused him but the hype around him was HUGE. Some of that was his ridiculous fan base overrating him but he was really hyped going into that fight because he KOed Castillo and Tszyu. Here's an article from around then by Eastside boxing. Floyd Mayweather/Ricky Hatton: Don’t count the Hitman out

Every top fighter is accused of ducking opponents (hell now even Martinez is being accused of "ducking" Glovokin). I just posted the rankings to show that Mayweather isn't fighting bums, he's fighting guys that are highly ranked by most publications.

This guy who made the post uses the same tired excuses "He fought guys (Gatti, Mitchell, N'dou) we knew he would beat!" While propping up Joel Casamayor and Acelino Freitas If Mayweather had fought Freitas (who Corralles KOed) people would just sub his name in instead of N'dou, Gatti, etc.

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

People swore Floyd was scared of Hatton, he was undefeated, his bodywork N foot speed would trouble Floyd

I love how that W is diminished cuz it was at 147....like Floyd was a massive Welterweight or like Hatton didn't weigh 200 pounds in between fights...not to mention Floyd had jus fought DLH at 154 y'all really expect him to drop to 140 N be healthy

 

[Mr. Leonidas]

They aren't my rankings, you wanted where people were when they fought Mayweather and I provided what is considered the best and first source for PFP (Ring), if you think another publication or writer does better PFP rankings you can pull them out.

I won't break down every fighter but I agree that Guerrero and Ortiz were ranked too high. Canelo is probably isn't top 10 but he still is a beast and and the best fight to make (outside of Pacquiao obviously).

Marquez lost a split decision to Pacquiao in a fight a lot of people think he won

Spoiler

Unofficial Scorecards:
Greg Beecham, Associated Press: 114-113 Marquez
Joe Santoliquito, Ring Magazine: 115-112 Marquez
Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
Eric Raskin, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights: 115-112 Marquez
Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest: 114-113 Marquez
Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports:115-112 Marquez
Victor Perea, FightNews.com: 115-113 Marquez
James Slater, EastSideBoxing.com: 114-113 Marquez
Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
Norm Frauenheim, Arizona Republic: 114-113 Marquez
Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV: 114-113 Marquez
Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters: 114-113 Marquez
Gabriel Montoya, DogHouseBoxing: 114-113 Marquez
Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com: 114-113 Marquez
Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com: 114-113 Marquez
Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com: 114-113 Marquez
Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com: 115-113 Marquez
Bruce McTavish, International Judge: 115-112 Marquez
Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer: 114-113 Marquez
Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com: 114-113 Marquez
William Detloff, The Ring Magazine: 115-113 Marquez
Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com: 114-113 Marquez
Nonito Donaire: 114-113 Marquez
Graham Houston, FightWriter.com :115-112 Marquez
Andrew Walker, EastSideBoxing.com: 115-114 Marquez
Jeff Pryor, The Boxing Bulletin: 114-113 Marquez
Andrew Fruman, The Boxing Bulletin: 114-113 Marquez
Brian Gorman, RingTalk.com: 114-113 Marquez
Pedro Fernandez, RingTalk.com: 115-113 Marquez
Gary Purfield, The Boxing Tribune: 115-113 Marquez
Larry Merchant, HBO: 114-114 Draw
Beau Denison, The Fist: 114-114 Draw
Marco Antonio Barrera: Draw
Nate Campbell: Draw
Mark Lichtenfeld, Boxing Digest/ThroughTheRopes Radio Program, SportsByLineUSA: Draw
Bill Scherer, Suite101.com: 114-114 Draw
Brad c00ney, 8CountNews.com: 114-114 Draw
Doug Fischer, MaxBoxing.com: 114-114 Draw
Lee Payton, The Boxing Bulletin: 114-114 Draw
Harold Lederman, HBO: 115-112 Pacquiao
Eric Sloan, Washington, D.C. examiner.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Ken Pollitt, The13thRound.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Michael Nelson, The Boxing Bulletin: 114-113 Pacquiao
John Vaci, The Boxing Bulletin: 115-113 Pacquiao
Aaron Jones, FightBeat.com: 115-112 Pacquiao
Pablo Fletes, LaPrensa: 114-113 Pacquiao
Dave Larzelere, The Sporting News: 114-113 Pacquiao
Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 114-113 Pacquiao
Bill Dwyer, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Pacquiao
Undisputed, Round-By-Round Update Correspondent, DogHouseBoxing: 115-114 Pacquiao
Jeff Haney, Las Vegas Sun: 114-113 Pacquiao
Lee Groves, MaxBoxing.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Ryan Maquinana, MaxBoxing.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Franklin McNeil, Newark Star-Ledger: 114-113 Pacquiao
Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: 114-113 Pacquiao
Carlos Arias, Orange County Register: 114-113 Pacquiao
Frances Martel, RingTalk.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Jason Aniel, RingTalk.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Mark Lyons, 8CountNews.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Ryan Songalia, BoxingScene.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Michael Marley, BoxingConfidential.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Steve Cofield, Lotus Broadcasting Las Vegas/ESPN Radio: 114-113 Pacquiao
Dave Cokin, Lotus Broadcasting Las Vegas/ESPN Radio: 115-112 Pacquiao
Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: 115-112 Pacquiao
Michael Katz, BoxingScene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Ben Thompson, FightHype.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Mike DeLisa, CyberBoxingZone.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Ace Freeman, FightFan.com: 115-112 Pacquiao
dikk Flaherty, Boxing Judge (the judge replaced by Tom Miller): 114-113 Pacquiao
Michael Swann, 15Rounds.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Jim Murphy, TheSweetScience.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
None of the above scores for Marquez is from Mexican media/boxers.
None of the above scores for Pacquiao is from Philippine media/boxers.
Among those unofficial scorers above, 32 scored the bout for Marquez, 32 scored it for Pacquiao, and the remainder scored it a draw.

He then was the first person to stop Casamayor and Diaz before fighting a returning Mayweather. Him and Pacquiao were pretty undisputed as the #1 and #2 PFP fighters at the time. Scott Crist from Bad Left Hook wrote

Spoiler

The Top Five: Everything stays the same. Pacquiao and Marquez currently rule the sport, at least until Mayweather's September 19 return. The gap between Pacquiao and Marquez is much closer than a lot of more casual fans really realize. The two are separated by one point on six judges' scorecards are two fights. Mayweather remains unranked because we don't know what he'll look like upon his return.

I get that people shyt on Hatton now because of how Mayweather and Pacquiao abused him but the hype around him was HUGE. Some of that was his ridiculous fan base overrating him but he was really hyped going into that fight because he KOed Castillo and Tszyu. Here's an article from around then by Eastside boxing. Floyd Mayweather/Ricky Hatton: Don’t count the Hitman out

Every top fighter is accused of ducking opponents (hell now even Martinez is being accused of "ducking" Glovokin). I just posted the rankings to show that Mayweather isn't fighting bums, he's fighting guys that are highly ranked by most publications.

This guy who made the post uses the same tired excuses "He fought guys (Gatti, Mitchell, N'dou) we knew he would beat!" While propping up Joel Casamayor and Acelino Freitas If Mayweather had fought Freitas (who Corralles KOed) people would just sub his name in instead of N'dou, Gatti, etc.

First off, I wanna give you props and respect. There are very few posters like yourself that make a point in an articulate, respectful, and logical manner. Majority of cats on here are way too biased, irrational, and lack credible knowledge when they're making a point. Glad to know there are quality posters still on here

Now in regards to our discussion, I personally favor ESPNs ratings. They seem more logical and unbiased than others I've seen. As far Canelo, he's the best opponent for Floyd Joy from a FINANCIAL standpoint, but not a competitive one. His best opponent was Trout. As far as Hatton, his stock plummeted during his WW debut when he got a gift decision against Collazo. Immediately after he said WW was too much for him and he felt the power difference and would be returning to 140. As it pertains to this Mayweather discussion tho about his level of opposition, its factual that throughout his career, there were opponents out there who would have posed more of a threat to him than the ones he faced, better names that could have been on his resume.