Will the league suspend Draymond Green? UPDATE: SUSPENDED!

[Smokin Rider]

When's the last time lebrons been upset like that?
Lebron be playing like a bytch on the court no doubt, and he doesn't seen like the fighting type off it, but draymond was visibly shook when Lebron got serious with him lol

Wasn't just the suspension

Then why was he in LeBrons face mocking him right after that? LeBron don't scare anybody, not even Steph

 

[ghostwriterx]

Of course he meant to hit him by raising his arm - he didn't try to hit him in the nuts intentionally tho. What is it you think I'm trying to argue?

Thought you were trying to say it was an involuntary reaction. If you agree he meant to hit him not sure what there is to argue about. There's no way either of us can sit at home and definitively determine what his intention was, hell I wouldn't be surprised if Draymond was unsure himself, sh*t happened so quickly. With that said the simplest conclusion to draw is that he hit him exactly where he tried to hit him. He knew where his groin was and he swung in an upward motion. He wasn't trying to hit his knee.

Regardless I think his intention is irrelevant. This is the 3rd time in 11 games he's hit someone in that area. At some point you need to assume control of your body. If this wasn't the Finals I would assume flagrant 2 was coming but, who knows what the league will do in this situation.

GSW probably clinches at home even without him, but you gotta admit the fukkery potential of them winning the chip with Draymond being out of the building would be epic. I can see him chilling with a group of Warrior fans outside getting bent and then running into the arena as the bell sounds on some.

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

I think your LeBron defenses have been up a bit high breh - feeling the pressure of the castle crumbling down. I'm good.

My first post in this thread was how LeBron blew this shyt

Try harder

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

My first post in this thread was how LeBron blew this shyt

Try harder

Yet you've been trying to shift the narrative multiple times throughout multiple threads over the last day arguing against reasonable positions concerning LeBron.

 

[Foxmulder]

CC: @Dr. Narcisse



Like I said, that's not how it went down.

Lebron couldn't even look him in the eye.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Lebron couldn't even look him in the eye.

That says a lot bruh

 

[O.T.I.S.]

nikkas really expected Draymond to let a nikka tea bag him on national TV


fukk that, Lebron was literally trying to step over the nikka like he's a nobody... Like he Tyrone Lue.

He deserved whatever reaction he got from Draymond

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

Yet you've been trying to shift the narrative multiple times throughout multiple threads over the last day arguing against reasonable positions concerning LeBron.

Cavs up 5...but I'm so disappointed in LeBron right now. They are lucky to have this lead. All these last second kick outs to teammates are terrible.

I hope he was saving his energy to score in the 2nd half or something cause they're not going to win like this.

LeBron's gotta seriously work on his game. His inability to finish at the rim/get to the basket against elite teams has caught up with him.

Fire Damon Jones. Work on your jump shot. Finally hit 80% from the ft line.

He's struggling to score 20 against the Warriors. Its a damn shame..

Should have won game 1. The splash brothers played like crap and you lose.

Blew it

Like against the Mavs, he only shot 3 ft attempts a game in those finals @Miami316

He's shooting 4 this year. When he can't get to the line and has no faith in his jumper. This is what happens.

LeBron James is averaging a career low 5 fts a game these playoffs. 3 below last year. Jordan averaged 11 in his final year in Chicago.

I get its shyt on LeBron time.

But he's not getting the calls.

Now he does get away with being physical on defense though.

Me saying he doesn't get the calls, doesn't omit the fact he still played way too passive and blew that game.
Our convo is done breh.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Thought you were trying to say it was an involuntary reaction. If you agree he meant to hit him not sure what there is to argue about.

It would help if you actually read the OP -

"Second blatant cheap shot. If he doesn't get suspended The Agenda is confirmed."

That's what I was arguing against - that by not getting suspended would somehow validate this tinfoil kufi machination when i) it doesn't warrant a suspension ii) a similar act by a Cavs player on a Warriors player in this series wasn't punished with a suspension.

There's no way either of us can sit at home and definitively determine what his intention was, hell I wouldn't be surprised if Draymond was unsure himself, sh*t happened so quickly. With that said the simplest conclusion to draw is that he hit him exactly where he tried to hit him. He knew where his groin was and he swung in an upward motion. He wasn't trying to hit his knee.

Which is what I've been trying to argue in this thread.

Regardless I think his intention is irrelevant. This is the 3rd time in 11 games he's hit someone in that area. At some point you need to assume control of your body. If this wasn't the Finals I would assume flagrant 2 was coming but, who knows what the league will do in this situation.

Context is everything. LeBron stepped right over him and Draymond instinctively lashed out using light contact without looking, causing no injury whatsoever. That's different to another example given in this thread when JR backhanded Crowder (without looking) when they were trying to box each other out, using heavy contact and knocking him unconscious.

Neither of us can sit at home and definitively determine what either player's intention was - yet they both shouldn't be punished the same simply because the intention of the acts are "irrelevant".

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Me saying he doesn't get the calls, doesn't omit the fact he still played way too passive and blew that game.
Our convo is done breh.

It goes both ways though, I mean "LeBron defenses" aren't simply just what he does/doesn't do or what he's responsible for, it's about the opposing team as well. I mean you tried using that JR/Crowder shyt as a reference point (when LeBron hitting Iggy down low would've been more comparable) and a screenshot of the exact moment his arm hit LeBron (without using RT footage, relation of how fast it all happened and how he would've reacted before even looking up). I'm not accusing you of being blinded by fandom that you can't see straight, just that you seem to be grasping at straws due to the situation the Cavs/LeBron are in.

I mean would you even be in a thread like this if the Cavs weren't in the Finals?

 

[itsyoung!!]

Draymon scared of Lebron

@Dr. Narcisse sound like Draymond offering Lebron to handle it in private, after the game if he really wants an issue

 

[ghostwriterx]

It would help if you actually read the OP -

"Second blatant cheap shot. If he doesn't get suspended The Agenda is confirmed."

That's what I was arguing against - that by not getting suspended would somehow validate this tinfoil kufi machination when i) it doesn't warrant a suspension ii) a similar act by a Cavs player on a Warriors player in this series wasn't punished with a suspension.e

The agenda talk is silly. Its just incompetence/inconsistency by the league.


"There's no way either of us can sit at home and definitively determine what his intention was, hell I wouldn't be surprised if Draymond was unsure himself, sh*t happened so quickly."

Which is what I've been trying to argue in this thread.

Of course he meant to hit him by raising his arm - he didn't try to hit him in the nuts intentionally tho

Context is everything. LeBron stepped right over him and Draymond instinctively lashed out using light contact without looking, causing no injury whatsoever. That's different to another example given in this thread when JR backhanded Crowder (without looking) when they were trying to box each other out, using heavy contact and knocking him unconscious.

Neither of us can sit at home and definitively determine what either player's intention was - yet they both shouldn't be punished the same simply because the intention of the acts are "irrelevant".

JR knocked Crowder out now?

Draymond lashing out was not instinctive, him trying to get up as Bron was stepping over him was. Everything after that was extra. Hell he flopped to begin with and the first thing he did when he hit the floor was kick Bron.

Mind you the punishment is only controversial because Draymond has already racked up some flagrants in the postseason. So him possibly being suspended is due to that and not the actual incident. In the regular season its a double tech, then probably a flagrant after the fact for Draymond, unfortunately given his current status that results in a suspension now. In other words I don't think his actions necessarily warrant a suspension, but I do think a flagrant is in order which would result in a suspension.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

"There's no way either of us can sit at home and definitively determine what his intention was, hell I wouldn't be surprised if Draymond was unsure himself, sh*t happened so quickly."

When weighing up what happened and how fast it happened, to me it didn't look like it was intentional (I was more or less arguing against the thought of the intent). However, there's no way I can sit here and definitively say what his intentions were (for obvious reasons) - which is what this thread is more or less advocating - that he did intentionally hit him in the nuts.

JR knocked Crowder out now?

Yes. Crowder temporarily lost consciousness.

Draymond lashing out was not instinctive, him trying to get up as Bron was stepping over him was. Everything after that was extra. Hell he flopped to begin with and the first thing he did when he hit the floor was kick Bron.

It actually was instinctive because he retaliated without thinking (probably because he was pissed off).

Mind you the punishment is only controversial because Draymond has already racked up some flagrants in the postseason. So him possibly being suspended is due to that and not the actual incident. In the regular season its a double tech, then probably a flagrant after the fact for Draymond, unfortunately given his current status that results in a suspension now. In other words I don't think his actions necessarily warrant a suspension, but I do think a flagrant is in order which would result in a suspension.

Doesn't even warrant that. Double foul and call it a day.

 

[ghostwriterx]

When weighing up what happened and how fast it happened, to me it didn't look like it was intentional (I was more or less arguing against the thought of the intent). However, there's no way I can sit here and definitively say what his intentions were (for obvious reasons) - which is what this thread is more or less advocating - that he did intentionally hit him in the nuts.

Its hard for me to believe a guy would intentionally do that, but we've seen it in the past (Paul/Ibaka).


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It actually was instinctive because he retaliated without thinking (probably because he was pissed off).

Yeah I can see that, instinctive not the word I was looking for.

Doesn't even warrant that. Double foul and call it a day.

Dray took two swipes at him. Has to be at least a tech. While I get the view that Bron was disrespectful, no way is that a foul, maybe the contact before. If Biyombo's elbow was a flagrant, I think this has to be as well. Bron should've sold it better.

 

[ALonelyDad]

Here we go