Will the NOI ever regain a presence in mainstream rap?

[spliz]

Nope. Same way the 5 percent Islam nation won't be anymore. Tbh rappers were WAY better when that was the case. It's when sounding smart was considered cool.

 

[maxamusa]

No it’s not

From my understanding the 5% is just a more "modern" twist of the NOI.


if you want to be technical it isn't....but its the same message......no?

 

[Plankton]

Your biggest salesmen - Malcolm X, Muhammad Ali, and W Deen Muhammad - all leaving for traditional Islam speaks volumes.

But Farrakhan is the real reason for the Hip Hop acknowledgement in the 80's and 90's along with Dr Khalid Muhammad. I still say that after The Million Man March made it seem as if Farrakhan was about to be this major revolutionary, 2pacs death and spirit became more of a go to for influence on the next generation instead. And it seemed as Farrakhans presence faded in Black America it also faded in Hip Hop. The most popular rep from the NOI in this generation now is Rizza Islam but he doesnt have that same powerful influence like Farrakhan did, especially on todays current hip hop.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

From my understanding the 5% is just a more "modern" twist of the NOI.


if you want to be technical it isn't....but its the same message......no?

Yes and no. Main difference is NOI believes that Allah is black. Five percent believes that the black man himself is God

 

[maxamusa]

Yes and no. Main difference is NOI believes that Allah is black. Five percent believes that the black man himself is God

Either way both perspectives once had presence. I don't want to de-rail...smell me?

 

[Plankton]

Nope. Same way the 5 percent Islam nation won't be anymore. Tbh rappers were WAY better when that was the case. It's when sounding smart was considered cool.

Numerous 5%s jumping to being Blood shattered the impact of that whole movement.

But that impact was so beautiful at one point, I wish it came back for real. Memorizing the lessons had dudes in the hood attempting to sound intelligent on a scientific level. That was a beautiful thing.

 

[T.H.E. Goat]

Unless a NOI member starts a label I don't see it happening

 

[Majestyx]

Nope. Same way the 5 percent Islam nation won't be anymore. Tbh rappers were WAY better when that was the case. It's when sounding smart was considered cool.

to be fair, a good amount of the "underground" rappers that people fukk with are 5% or 5% adjacent.

but hip hop dont even really exist in the mainstream, these people aint even rapping, so i'm gonna have to agree with Mr Spilz

 

[maxamusa]

Numerous 5%s jumping to being Blood shattered the impact of that whole movement.

But that impact was so beautiful at one point, I wish it came back for real. Memorizing the lessons had dudes in the hood attempting to sound intelligent on a scientific level. That was a beautiful thing.

Lil durk might be the last "mainstream" rapper who on it.

 

[Walt]

It's happening.

That album is over 20 years old. And wasn't NOI influenced.

 

[Plankton]

Unless a NOI member starts a label I don't see it happening

I remember a rap group called X nikkaz in the mid 90's. They never were big like that but their tape and CDs were in every NOI book store in Harlem.



Did the Googles and the lable is called 2X Records which I can assume was independent.

So if it could be done once...it could be done again.

 

[the elastic]

I'll answer. Say around 1988/9 or so up until 94-96

The Telecommunications Act of 1996 changed a lot. It allowed the labels to have a stronger hold on the game.

Appreciate you, breh! That Act preceded the introduction of the Shiny Suit era......

Coincidence?

"he HATES white people"

Don't do Peggy like that

Kendrick crowds could easily look the same

Lil durk might be the last "mainstream" rapper who on it.

Mr. Macaroni and Cheese

 

[Solomon Lurke]

Lil durk might be the last "mainstream" rapper who on it.

Durk and most of the rappers even former 5 percenters who are muslim now aren’t NOI. They are converting to “traditional Islam”. Seems to be an uptick in that but its not centered around blackness like NOI and 5% are.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Jay electronica comes across as a straight up agent. and he never had mainstream presence.

that Hebrew Israelite shyt is way different in my book. We gonna be IIGHT is my jam but nah kendrick aint in the class IMO

Can’t imagine in what capacity Jay Elect would serve as an agent lol, but sure I guess it’s possible…but he’s mainstream enough….was highly promoted by a mainstream producer (Just Blaze) and, again, has full length albums with arguably the greatest mainstream rapper ever in Jay Z…hell he got Hov on record talking about “chasing Yakub back into the caves” …certainly more mainstream by several orders of magnitude than mihfukkin Paris just off the strength of Exhibit C and the Jay Z collabo


And while the nation is obviously technically very different than the Hebrew Israelites as far as specifics of the tenets and the premise, in all reality they both occupy the same cultural space..that Kenny is influenced by one rather than the other is just happenstance that could’ve easily been the other way

 

[mag357]

Nope. Same way the 5 percent Islam nation won't be anymore. Tbh rappers were WAY better when that was the case. It's when sounding smart was considered cool.

It was really the gods that had control of rap... Not really the nation of Islam.
I guess a small distinction.

And no, neither will have any influence on hip hop again because ignorance, stupidity and childishness is king now