With "The Cloud" on the horizon will the PS4 stifle innovation?

[Rice N Beans]

Wheeeeee free post.

 

[winb83]

This applies to literally everything at E3


No. Internet contrarians such as yourself like to greet stuff with cynicism.

But as I said. Going by your logic we shouldn't talk of get excited about ANYTHING at one of these shows.

And if you can't make an argument without talking about what "fanboys" are doing then your argument lost from the jump.

You just argued that a tech demo shown at a trade show in person to a select group of people wasn't in fact a tech demo. You basically lied and when I confronted you about the lie you tried to jump to higher ground instead of admitting your argument was wrong. Beyond that you created a strawman argument I didn't say nor do I agree with then tried to attribute it to me.

My argument is that's a tech demo and it isn't actual commercially available software. There's no point in debating a tech demo's impact on the industry because it isn't a finished proven product. Let it hit the market first and be finalized then argue that if it delivers. My argument has nothing to do with fanboys. That was an observation beyond the argument and it's the truth.

Your argument is somebody from Xbox did this and it's using something that isn't on Playstation let's turn this into making it so the Playstation is holding gaming back. I mean look at your thread title. It's not even devoted to excitement about the actual tech it's basically a thinly veiled attempt to shyt on the Playstation.

This is me telling you this as a forum member who at one point was one of the worst posters on SOHH. You are embarrassing yourself bending over backwards and denying reality to defend Microsoft. Give it a rest. It is singlehandedly the reason your peers have voted you worse poster on this forum. Bad part about it is I suspect you've probably convinced yourself that they're wrong and the title you wear isn't accurate.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

You just argued that a tech demo shown at a trade show in person to a select group of people wasn't in fact a tech demo. You basically lied and when I confronted you about the lie you tried to jump to higher ground instead of admitting your argument was wrong. Beyond that you created a strawman argument I didn't say nor do I agree with then tried to attribute it to me.

No. By your wide definition literally everything shown at gamescom is a "tech demo"

"A demo shown to select people at a tradeshow"
That
"isn't a finished product we can all buy in a retail store"

Applies to everything at gamescom. I didn't make that argument. You did.



This was the "tech demo"

What was shown at gamescom was a bit more.

My argument is that's a tech demo and it isn't actual commercially available software. There's no point in debating a tech demo's impact on the industry because it isn't a finished proven product. Let it hit the market first and be finalized then argue that if it delivers. My argument has nothing to do with fanboys. That was an observation beyond the argument and it's the truth.

For the 5th time. Almost nothing at these shows is a finished product.

Should we not talk about anything at these shows then?

Your argument is somebody from Xbox did this and it's using something that isn't on Playstation let's turn this into making it so the Playstation is holding gaming back. I mean look at your thread title. It's not even devoted to excitement about the actual tech it's basically a thinly veiled attempt to shyt on the Playstation.

If all you can see is Stan shyt. That's your fault, not mine.

This is me telling you this as a forum member who at one point was one of the worst posters on SOHH. You are embarrassing yourself bending over backwards and denying reality to defend Microsoft. Give it a rest. It is singlehandedly the reason your peers have voted you worse poster on this forum. Bad part about it is I suspect you've probably convinced yourself that they're wrong and the title you wear isn't accurate.

And more nonsense. You've literally added nothing here but your on nasty insecurities, and attacks on the mythical "fanboy"

You claim you are a "real gamer" but if you were you'd understand that this is a legitimate question to ask. It has nothing to do with fanboy shyt.

Since the beginning of gaming almost every proprietary tech, be it hardware or software has failed to be widely used by devs because its instantly limiting the market. We might get some smaller indie titles to use it ala Wii shovelware. But we will never get a cloud powered GTA unless rockstar is confident it can be played on all platforms. And as I said earlier in this thread, the same can be said about Morpheus. We will never get a Morpheus powered COD unless Microsoft gets some VR shyt going on Xbox.

That's how the industry works. Now if you can't look past fanboy shyt and your own cynicism to have a reasonable conversation about it, then please walk away.

 

[Rekkapryde]

So they can't. Thanks for clarifying that.

Where did "they can" become "they can't"? some of yall nikkaz reading comprehension is

You just argued that a tech demo shown at a trade show in person to a select group of people wasn't in fact a tech demo. You basically lied and when I confronted you about the lie you tried to jump to higher ground instead of admitting your argument was wrong. Beyond that you created a strawman argument I didn't say nor do I agree with then tried to attribute it to me.

My argument is that's a tech demo and it isn't actual commercially available software. There's no point in debating a tech demo's impact on the industry because it isn't a finished proven product. Let it hit the market first and be finalized then argue that if it delivers. My argument has nothing to do with fanboys. That was an observation beyond the argument and it's the truth.

Your argument is somebody from Xbox did this and it's using something that isn't on Playstation let's turn this into making it so the Playstation is holding gaming back. I mean look at your thread title. It's not even devoted to excitement about the actual tech it's basically a thinly veiled attempt to shyt on the Playstation.

This is me telling you this as a forum member who at one point was one of the worst posters on SOHH. You are embarrassing yourself bending over backwards and denying reality to defend Microsoft. Give it a rest. It is singlehandedly the reason your peers have voted you worse poster on this forum. Bad part about it is I suspect you've probably convinced yourself that they're wrong and the title you wear isn't accurate.

 

[Deezay]

You just argued that a tech demo shown at a trade show in person to a select group of people wasn't in fact a tech demo. You basically lied and when I confronted you about the lie you tried to jump to higher ground instead of admitting your argument was wrong. Beyond that you created a strawman argument I didn't say nor do I agree with then tried to attribute it to me.

My argument is that's a tech demo and it isn't actual commercially available software. There's no point in debating a tech demo's impact on the industry because it isn't a finished proven product. Let it hit the market first and be finalized then argue that if it delivers. My argument has nothing to do with fanboys. That was an observation beyond the argument and it's the truth.

Your argument is somebody from Xbox did this and it's using something that isn't on Playstation let's turn this into making it so the Playstation is holding gaming back. I mean look at your thread title. It's not even devoted to excitement about the actual tech it's basically a thinly veiled attempt to shyt on the Playstation.

This is me telling you this as a forum member who at one point was one of the worst posters on SOHH. You are embarrassing yourself bending over backwards and denying reality to defend Microsoft. Give it a rest. It is singlehandedly the reason your peers have voted you worse poster on this forum. Bad part about it is I suspect you've probably convinced yourself that they're wrong and the title you wear isn't accurate.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Should Xbox One games be built without parity?

Its a question being asked around the community.

Now that we've seen what the technology is capable of. Will 3rd partys utilize it? And how will Sony fit in to this?

With the ps4 leading in market share 3rd parties will be reluctant to use the technology in a meaningful way, unless it can be used on both consoles.

I personally hope "Cloudgine" (the company behind the cloud stuff in crackdown) becomes an engine/middleware company and starts to pass their tech and servers to any dev that wants to use them.

Its just not clear if the PS4 is capable or if Sony and Microsoft can/will come to some type of agreement.

Thoughts?

the problem will always be about money

will 1st party games utilize this, making sony's next gen have to conform..... yes

but like the kinect and the wii... we see what third party devs truly think..

if i can make a game for 2 systems... copy them exactly.. and it costs me 1 million to sell 10 million... then why would i spend more money, more time, more resources to add in some extra stuff, for 1 system.. especially the trailing system

they wouldn't do shyt with kinect but voice commands.. maybe a game would use 1 feature.. and that was the highest selling electronic of all time (or some shyt) on the lead platform. they had every reason to use it. but they knew you was gonna buy the game anyway, cause you're not gonna miss what they don't offer


so you'll get your crackdowns.. halos... some new IPs.. but madden, fighting games, other shooters, shyt like that... they ain't spending the time to make some special game or mode, especially for one system, which isn't even close to the lead right now

 

[MeachTheMonster]

the problem will always be about money

will 1st party games utilize this, making sony's next gen have to conform..... yes

but like the kinect and the wii... we see what third party devs truly think..

if i can make a game for 2 systems... copy them exactly.. and it costs me 1 million to sell 10 million... then why would i spend more money, more time, more resources to add in some extra stuff, for 1 system.. especially the trailing system

they wouldn't do shyt with kinect but voice commands.. maybe a game would use 1 feature.. and that was the highest selling electronic of all time (or some shyt) on the lead platform. they had every reason to use it. but they knew you was gonna buy the game anyway, cause you're not gonna miss what they don't offer


so you'll get your crackdowns.. halos... some new IPs.. but madden, fighting games, other shooters, shyt like that... they ain't spending the time to make some special game or mode, especially for one system, which isn't even close to the lead right now

That's my point.

I just hope Sony and Microsoft can come together sooner rather than later to incentivize devs to use the tech

 

[teacher]

That's my point.

I just hope Sony and Microsoft can come together sooner rather than later to incentivize devs to use the tech

Sony isn't going to help Microsoft they trying to step on their necks for what happened last gen and to put it plainly they probably can't afford it at this moment...so its up to MS to bank roll the extra cloud features...Not sure how well crackdown sold but it definitely would of been smarter to delay the MCC (considering the disaster launch) and try to add the cloud features.

 

[CurrencyChase]

Meach never admits he's wrong. Even if his life and family life depended on it.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Meach never admits he's wrong. Even if his life and family life depended on it.

Wrong about what?

I proposed a question/conversation

You never have anything to add but some dumb shyt

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Sony isn't going to help Microsoft they trying to step on their necks for what happened last gen and to put it plainly they probably can't afford it at this moment...so its up to MS to bank roll the extra cloud features...Not sure how well crackdown sold but it definitely would of been smarter to delay the MCC (considering the disaster launch) and try to add the cloud features.

Crackdown was pretty successful. Obviously not on the level of halo, but its just as popular as any other mid tear franchise.

I understand the fact that Sony is ahead and doesn't have an incentive right now to play nice with Microsoft. But if Microsoft starts pumping out games that use the cloud and offer some things you can't get elsewhere, then Sony won't have a choice.

 

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[L@CaT]

Is this shyt still on the Horizon

 

[Rekkapryde]

 

[Rekkapryde]

Is this shyt still on the Horizon

yall ain't shyt