Would be nice to see the "strong Black woman" image back in Hip Hop again but that'll never happen

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The "strong Black woman" image began to deteriorate when Queen Latifah played a gun totting lesbian in the movie Set It OFF. It was on life support when Wyclef got his "superhead" on putting Lauryn Hill on blast about their affair while he was married and how he claimed she told him her first baby was his. And was completely destroyed when Erykah Badu had babies with different rappers only years later to do a video with a white band where she's in a tub full of simulated semen.





I remember the beautiful Ananda Lewis doing teen summit on BET encoraging Black teens to go to college and she'd do it with a straight face....Years later she would be on MTV pulling her shirt up showing her breast " girls gone wild " style with tape on her nipples. Years later after that she's rolling around in a bed half naked with Ray J.






We'll never see that "strong Black woman" image of yesteryear in hip hop again for the same reason someone who is born again cant hang out at a strip club. Mainstream hip hop is too unrighteous, its filled with liars, wannabes, drug addicts, sell outs, low standard braggarts and attention whores. The righteous that dwell amongst the unrighteous long enough will become corrupt in due time just like that born again christian who will sneak off in the corner and get a private lapdance if he hangs out at the strip club long enough.


For all we know Ms Melodie, Harmony and Sista Souljah would go home and act extra ratchet behind closed doors but their public images were that of "Strong Black Women." The "image" is the factor. If the women are reflection of men then it makes sense as to why when 'gangster rap' came we were introduced to Boss and when the promotion of smoking weed in hip hop started to be the norm we were introduced to Da Brat and Lady Of Rage. When the conscious era left so did the image of the "Strong Black Woman." The word "Ho" soon started to become acceptable and we were introduced to Lil Kim, Foxy Brown and Trina. Yes, in the early 90's there were rappers like Choice and BWP who were sexually over the top in their music but they were overshadowed by the likes of the afrocentic Latifah, the sexiness of Salt N Pepa and the aggression of MC Lyte and Yo Yo.







In the new millinium the "hood chick" image would soon be the norm. Lauryn was starting to fall off despite her superstar status. Eve showed promise of being the next MC Lyte...But then she too fell off. Around that same time a pic of Eve during her stripper years along with a teasing sex tape of her and Stevie J popped up out of nowhere on the internet. Remy Ma, who was like a mixture between MC Lyte, Yo Yo and Foxy Brown, shot some chick in the stomach and went to prison. Lil Kim went to prison, Foxy went to prison, Da Brat went to prison, Lauryn went to prison. A lot of our top female rappers saw prison bars in the new millinium.







What happened to the "strong Black woman" image of yesteryear in hip hop? This brings us to Nicki Minaj , who is currently the top female emcee of this decade hands down. Nicki in her own right is a "strong Black woman." You can see in her aggression and hustle that she's surrounded by the right people behind closed doors. Nicki has been able to maintain and sustain success in the testosterone cesspool called the entertainment world. Yet as an entertainer her public image is that of an expensive hoodrat with a plastic body who makes top 40 music while being associated with one of the hottest rap cliques. And this is the standard. In 2014 Nicki Minaj is now what represents a "strong Black woman" in Hip Hop because what she embodies is what it takes to maintain in todays current Hip Hop climate. The "strong Black woman" of yesteryear couldn't survive in this era. In this social media driven era that we are currently in which is filled with hatful comments, Nicki has been able to sustain success in mainstream pop culture. Meanwhile an afrocentric female rapper like Stahhr goes unnoticed in todays pop culture climate and is barely on the radar in Hip Hop's media circle as well. Its all about supply and demand. Everytime Nicki does a sexy photoshoot there's always the "She should just do porn already" comment. Sex on the lowest level is the fuel of what is demanded in females related to todays Hip Hop and its been that way for a while. And as long as that fuel exists the "strong black woman" image of yesteryear will never resurface in Hip Hop.
 

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This is a nice thread and imma let you finish, but:

- it seems there ain't no future in being a female rapper, and they seem to know. They'll rap long enough to get
noticed and move on to another industry...


- "strong black women" used to rap to other women. Do other women today wanna hear that?

- Generally, to get on as a female rapper back then you had to have a notable male co-sign.
Who do you see today that will do that? You got rappers today point blank saying "I don't listen to female rappers".
 

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- "strong black women" used to rap to other women. Do other women today wanna hear that?
hmmm. kinda disagree with tihs point, when i think of yo yo, queen latifah, mc lyte, monie love, roxanne shante, even salt n pepa, they made music men could (and would) listen to, even some of their "lady anthems" were neutral enough for men to accept.

as for the thread, honestly, the way misogyny became so prevalent in hip hop, i don't see how a female mc can really make it. i think gangsta rap killed off the OG female rapper, then the trap phase killed off even the sexed up female rapper (i.e. kim, foxy, etc). the climate right now, swag rappers, party shyt, etc. seems like it could host a successful female, but i don't feel like she'd be given a chance. men want to see t&a now, yall don't give female rappers a chance on this board, and social media has increased the levels of hate and shade women throw at each other, i don't see a lot of female support for female rappers (other than nicki stans...but nicki became more of a pop icon with Bey & RihRih). i personally would love to have more QUALITY female rappers, but i don't see it unless they're in more of the pop/crossover lane like nicki, iggy, even azalea banks. to have a chick who can spit like OG lauryn or jean grae (but with better song making ability) i'd be in love.
 

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- "strong black women" used to rap to other women. Do other women today wanna hear that?

I dont know man. UNITY was big when it came out. Had dudes singing that chorus as well as the chorus for "Just Another Day." Lauryn Hill was bigger then Jay Z and DMX in 98 and soon became an icon. Lauryn had men and women bowing down when her "bohemian" image was in full effect. Remy Ma and Nicki were the last big female rap stars after Kim Eve and Foxy fell off. There hasn't been a big female rapper on that conscious tip since Lauryn...But when Lauryn was hot she was in high demand.
 

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hmmm. kinda disagree with tihs point, when i think of yo yo, queen latifah, mc lyte, monie love, roxanne shante, even salt n pepa, they made music men could (and would) listen to, even some of their "lady anthems" were neutral enough for men to accept.

as for the thread, honestly, the way misogyny became so prevalent in hip hop, i don't see how a female mc can really make it. i think gangsta rap killed off the OG female rapper, then the trap phase killed off even the sexed up female rapper (i.e. kim, foxy, etc). the climate right now, swag rappers, party shyt, etc. seems like it could host a successful female, but i don't feel like she'd be given a chance. men want to see t&a now, yall don't give female rappers a chance on this board, and social media has increased the levels of hate and shade women throw at each other, i don't see a lot of female support for female rappers (other than nicki stans...but nicki became more of a pop icon with Bey & RihRih). i personally would love to have more QUALITY female rappers, but i don't see it unless they're in more of the pop/crossover lane like nicki, iggy, even azalea banks. to have a chick who can spit like OG lauryn or jean grae (but with better song making ability) i'd be in love.

You're kinda making my point...I don't see a lot of female support for female rappers, either.

And like you allude to, once they get some love seems like they try to "rescue" them from the rap world and put 'em in the pop category.

About the bold, c'mon...you gotta come with the chit, doe. If you a female rapper and you come out the game as just T&A,
how do you expect for people to not see you as just T&A? If a new broad would come out and spit like Rah Digga, she would
get hella listens...
 

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You want to see lesbian huge bytches bustin gats?

I can't possibly see how that's a good thing, I'd rather see proper ladies like Alicia Keys and a lot of these soul singers.

Female rappers have to sell sex to compliment for their lack of good music, we had Lauryn and Missy but most of these female rappers are shyt and don't bring any new dimensions to the table except sex. Minaj could probably make it without skills too but not within the pop world.

Lil Kim showed that she could do it with


But IDK if she could blow up if she came out like that.
 
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About the bold, c'mon...you gotta come with the chit, doe. If you a female rapper and you come out the game as just T&A,
how do you expect for people to not see you as just T&A? If a new broad would come out and spit like Rah Digga, she would
get hella listens...
i've seen videos of random UG female rappers spittin, both here and on other hip hop sites, and dudes dismiss chicks as ugly, generic, or plain old hit folks with the "i'm not listening to a female"

i don't know, there is a lot of stuff working against female rappers, my generation grew up with a lot of them, but now most my female friends don't really fukk with rap other than having the radio and passively listening to whatever is playing, then you got younger girls, ~22 and under who never really grew up with a strong female presence in the game, i don't think these girls are bred to accept nor expect women in hip hop, nor do i think they've been taught to be supportive of other women...it goes beyond just not wanting to hear a female rapper. i mean, it's never too late for a dope female to come out the gate and change things, but if i'm a 19/20 year old female rapper, there doesn't seem to be support for me either way.
 
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I dont know man. UNITY was big when it came out. Had dudes singing that chorus as well as the chorus for "Just Another Day." Lauryn Hill was bigger then Jay Z and DMX in 98 and soon became an icon. Lauryn had men and women bowing down when her "bohemian" image was in full effect. Remy Ma and Nicki were the last big female rap stars after Kim Eve and Foxy fell off. There hasn't been a big female rapper on that conscious tip since Lauryn...But when Lauryn was hot she was in high demand.

I'm talkin' about now...do they wanna hear that now?

Who are the 3 hottest females rappin' right now? I don't know.
And I don't know any females that are checkin' for 'em right now. I'd love to be wrong about this.


But look at the names in your post...

- Latifah. She still servin' heat? No, she's hosting a talk show, singing Jazz, and being lesbian. She ain't got time for rappin'.
- Lauryn Hill. Yeah, she could spit...but like you said, she blew up singin' the Roberta Flack hook and half her album was R&B.
Last few times you saw her on a mic she was doin' poetry. She's "artist" status, she don't have to rhyme anymore.
- Kim. She should be rappin'. But she found other avenues to eat and is gettin' Plastic Surgery money. She don't have to rhyme anymore.
- Fox. Damn shame what happened to Fox. But she's crazy.
- Eve. She's got a "pop pass", and does fashion and ish. She don't have to rhyme anymore.
- Remy could still be doin' this, but...you know.
- Nicki. Give her a couple years and she will have made her way out.


Female rap is a springboard for other chit.
 

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as for the thread, honestly, the way misogyny became so prevalent in hip hop, i don't see how a female mc can really make it. i think gangsta rap killed off the OG female rapper, then the trap phase killed off even the sexed up female rapper (i.e. kim, foxy, etc). the climate right now, swag rappers, party shyt, etc. seems like it could host a successful female, but i don't feel like she'd be given a chance. men want to see t&a now, yall don't give female rappers a chance on this board, and social media has increased the levels of hate and shade women throw at each other, i don't see a lot of female support for female rappers (other than nicki stans...but nicki became more of a pop icon with Bey & RihRih). i personally would love to have more QUALITY female rappers, but i don't see it unless they're in more of the pop/crossover lane like nicki, iggy, even azalea banks. to have a chick who can spit like OG lauryn or jean grae (but with better song making ability) i'd be in love.


I'm talkin' about now...do they wanna hear that now?

Who are the 3 hottest females rappin' right now? I don't know.
And I don't know any females that are checkin' for 'em right now. I'd love to be wrong about this..

Rick Ross, Lil Wayne, Kanye , Jay Z, Rihanna, Kendrick, Drake and Nicki Minaj are all over radio because Universal will pay record promoters that high price that Independent records cant catch up with and have radio force feed songs to the masses over and over again. With the right songs and a push from Universal anything can happen. Eminiem is lyrical and 2chainz is mediocre yet they both get the Universal push and they both get airtime. The people will check for anything that they are force fed. I peeped how Power 105 didnt play that Pharrel song "Happy" till it went number 1 and it was out for months...But beause it picked up traction in top 40 they jumped all over it all of a sudden. All it takes is a hit song and the right push and the people will follow like sheep.
 

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Bahamadia couldn't shine in this era..Social medi would go in on her gap tooth and make that the center of her image the same way they've done Conseqence's teeth. Yet she was allowed to shine in an era when the hate wasn't as strong in pop culture.
 

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Maan...this thread made me pull out Dirty Harriet.

This chit? This chit right chea? She was spittin' on this album.

If you listen to rap, your rap collection is INCOMPLETE if you don't have this, mayne.
If you don't own any other album by a female, you should own Dirty Harriet.
I don't think another female is gonna come that dope again. But again...prove me wrong, sistahs...
 
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