WOW... Liberal Mainstream Media Completely Flips On Hillary Clinton

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care to provide some evidence that dems had the whitehouse on lock for 2016?

hillary was by far the strongest candidate out of both parties...the R's havent really even had a sustained front-runner..let alone anyone who has been deemed to have a legitimate chance

repub die hards came out for mid-terms but they are still wildly out-numbered across the country and aren't really gaining ground at all

take a look at vegas odds on it. D's have been heavily heavily favored since 2012 and the mid-terms didnt really change anything
 

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hillary was by far the strongest candidate out of both parties...the R's havent really even had a sustained front-runner..let alone anyone who has been deemed to have a legitimate chance

repub die hards came out for mid-terms but they are still wildly out-numbered across the country and aren't really gaining ground at all

take a look at vegas odds on it. D's have been heavily heavily favored since 2012 and the mid-terms didnt really change anything

lol at using vegas odds..heres some real talk for you, Democrats havent won 3 straight presidential elections since Franklin Delano Roosevelt...And Clinton was a lock for '08 until Obama showed up..Truth is other than Hillary Democrats really do not have a strong contender for 2016..meanwhile, Jeb Bush is gaining steam on the big money donors trail and already has a pretty solid reputation among the voting public in Florida..also add in the fact that whoever the Dems trot out in 2016 isnt going to be a transformative figure like Obama was which means voter turnout for Dems will be significantly lower than in 2008 and 2012 in the swing states like Florida and Ohio which will be enough for Republicans to take over the white house in 2016.
 

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lol at using vegas odds..heres some real talk for you, Democrats havent won 3 straight presidential elections since Franklin Delano Roosevelt...And Clinton was a lock for '08 until Obama showed up..Truth is other than Hillary Democrats really do not have a strong contender for 2016..meanwhile, Jeb Bush is gaining steam on the big money donors trail and already has a pretty solid reputation among the voting public in Florida..also add in the fact that whoever the Dems trot out in 2016 isnt going to be a transformative figure like Obama was which means voter turnout for Dems will be significantly lower than in 2008 and 2012 in the swing states like Florida and Ohio which will be enough for Republicans to take over the white house in 2016.

optimistic but not likely

hillary will actually be pushed as a "transformative figure" because she'd be the first female president. plus a lot of people still love bill.

dem turnout will be strong for hillary...dont get it twisted

and fwiw i pray that neither hillary or jeb win
 

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optimistic but not likely

hillary will actually be pushed as a "transformative figure" because she'd be the first female president. plus a lot of people still love bill.

dem turnout will be strong for hillary...dont get it twisted

and fwiw i pray that neither hillary or jeb win

meh I think the Dem base is Clinton fatigued honestly I think if came down to her or Joe Biden in the primaries with an Obama cosign Biden could beat Hillary for the nomination if he doesnt gaffe it up
 

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meh I think the Dem base is Clinton fatigued honestly I think if came down to her or Joe Biden in the primaries with an Obama cosign Biden could beat Hillary for the nomination if he doesnt gaffe it up

honestly i love joe for fukkery reasons

but 1. obama is not going to give him the firm co-sign over hillary, at all. he'll say they are both good and the people cant go wrong either way or some shyt like that
2. biden not gaffeing? :mjlol: thatll be the day.
 

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meh I think the Dem base is Clinton fatigued honestly I think if came down to her or Joe Biden in the primaries with an Obama cosign Biden could beat Hillary for the nomination if he doesnt gaffe it up
The Dem base seemed to love her as SoS though. :yeshrug:
This is pretty much standard operating procedure for the MSM though. From MSNBC to FOx the one thing they have in common is a love of scandal and the Clintons make a good target for that regardless of the merits of the supposed scandal being reported on with such gusto. It has been this way since the day Bill looked like he had a shot at actually becoming president.
 

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lol at using vegas odds..heres some real talk for you, Democrats havent won 3 straight presidential elections since Franklin Delano Roosevelt...And Clinton was a lock for '08 until Obama showed up..Truth is other than Hillary Democrats really do not have a strong contender for 2016..meanwhile, Jeb Bush is gaining steam on the big money donors trail and already has a pretty solid reputation among the voting public in Florida..also add in the fact that whoever the Dems trot out in 2016 isnt going to be a transformative figure like Obama was which means voter turnout for Dems will be significantly lower than in 2008 and 2012 in the swing states like Florida and Ohio which will be enough for Republicans to take over the white house in 2016.

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The Democratic nominee would have to fukk it pretty bad given the 2012 electoral map. The popularity of the GOP in national elections has been waning. They have only won the popular vote once in the last 6 election cycles. The only reason they are still relevant is because the Democratic base for whatever reason doesn't vote during the mid terms.

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The Democratic nominee would have to fukk it pretty bad given the 2012 electoral map. The popularity of the GOP in national elections has been waning. They have only won the popular vote once in the last 6 election cycles. The only reason they are still relevant is because the Democratic base for whatever reason doesn't vote during the mid terms.

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Also, even if you take that map AND give the GOP Florida and Ohio (which by itself is a stretch), they still lose 285-253. Hell, even throw them VA too and the GOP still loses 272-266.

It's tough to imagine a viable scenario where the Dems lose considering that whoever runs won't have all of Obama's baggage. They'd have to really, really fukk things up.
 

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meh I think the Dem base is Clinton fatigued honestly I think if came down to her or Joe Biden in the primaries with an Obama cosign Biden could beat Hillary for the nomination if he doesnt gaffe it up

A lot can happen between now and 2016 but if the GOP keep there current stance on immigration and if the SCOTUS strikes down this state subsidy provision from Obamacare, they are going to have to fight much harder than Dems to appeal to the voting base in 2016.
 

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Is Hillary the only serious candidate for the Dems in 2016 ? Who they got if it's not her ?
 
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