"Wrestling Fans" Need To Blame Themselves For The State Of The Industry

[Grind -N- Bone]

"A lot of yall are sitting around waiting for your dream fantasy CEO that doesn't exist, to come in and be on some ted turner chit. well its not happening"

We can still dream breh
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TNA put themselves in this spot, they put themselves in hot water like they always seem to do and it's nobody's fault but their own. Dixieland had it's moments, now they can have them in that warehouse.

I agree that alot of wrasslin fans are WWE fans first and YES they do have a tendency to shyt on any thang NOT WWE . I do believe if they had a legit competitor with all the overly produced bullshyt the E has then
I have no doubt fans would be on board. What's the first thing a casual says when they see some of these other companies more specifically ROH or TNA? "Why are they wrasslin in a school GYM?"
"What is this playschool pinhouse shyt?" Sure they have a superior in - ring product but it doesn't matter because it's not an over produced mediocre shyt show.
I like NXT, but if it wasn't attached to the E I'm almost certain these jive jabronis would be
shytting on that too.

"You'll rather just show fake love towards the indies that you know aren't going to be a threat!"

I love most of that indie 900 shyt and would be behind anyone of them if became a threat to Cokeboy. TNA stood the best chance if they played their cards right but as we can see TNA has become a threat to itself .

 

[Wacky D]

TNA was on the upswing until they rehired Vince Russo and tried to be WWE-lite.

The fans were supporting TNA until the Russo/Hogan/Bischoff bullshyt started

man TNA was stuck in neutral business-wise for a long time when they made that move.

that's why they made it. and then all of a sudden the ratings & profits jumped. the amount of posts & threads on this very board about TNA made a huge jump as well. so lets not rewrite history and act like business was boomin.

sure, it was fools gold, because they chased away majority of their core audience and it was a wrap when the casuals lost interest. but how did we even get to this point in the 1st place? because of the state of the wrestling industry & so-called wrestling fans.

 

[Slystallion]

WWE has been awful forever now but I have tried on several occasions to watch TNA and every time I found it to be even worse.

I'm very sorry.

I think this wrestling stuff is just not for adults...there is too much bad acting and unfunny attempts at cheesy comedy

I will watch royal rumble and mania but I just don't get the same feeling like when I was a young teen during the late 90s early 2000s

 

[Slystallion]

Wrestling lost the ability to tell a good story and I think it begins with over saturation ...i miss the days of just 4 major ppvs where you had months to build fueds that meant something

In your house was the beginning of the fall

Attitude era was a band aid anamoly cuz wrestling was so popular they created smackdown and we had two companies keeping each other on their toes...

 

[Wacky D]

This. Plus the fact that they pushed their homegrown stars like Roode and AJ aside whenever someone from the E came to TNA. When Heyman offered Rush Card Dixie a life line, she should have grabbed with both hands.

nah. yall just watch too much WWE.
its customary for big names to get a big push when they sign to a different company. vince is the only one that goes out of his way to bury stars that he didn't create.

while I do think that they had a habit of pushing AJ too far towards the back of the bus at times, I didnt mind him going stretches without being in the main event either, as long as they still had other TNA-associated names in the main event scene.

as for paul heyman, he wanted too much. f*ck that. let him stay looking stupid working for the WWE. he wouldn't have made that much of a difference in TNA.

 

[mrken12]

That's actually one of the biggest problems in how they hurt the industry, because they're not necessarily more critical, they have just developed an asinine entitlement and obsession with controlling the product. You can blame booking and creative and whatnot, but let's look at the reception of everybody's favorite wrestler, Roman.
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Roman gets super pops at the '14 Royal Rumble where he broke the record for most eliminations in a single Rumble and fans were going wild for him to win.

Later when they turn on Roman's super push they claim they just cheered him because they didn't want Batista to win, and act like Vince is out of touch despite him pushing the guy all the fans cheered for at the Royal Rumble.

Fans start turning on Roman the second the word gets out that he might just be Vince's new Golden Boy, most infamously at the '15 Royal Rumble.

Fast forward about three quarters of a year and a bunch of boos later and Roman finally wins the title belt, only to lose it to Sheamus immediately, which started the Roman's new chase of the title.

Vince actually comes out of his "retirement" and back to an on-screen role to help get Roman over, which many fans complain was a shameless, uninspired rehash of the famous Stone Cold feud back in the Attitude era. Fans conveniently ignore that ever since they decided to boo Roman, they've been suggesting to turn him heel on some Corporate Rock shyt, which would also be a shameless, uninspired rehash of an Attitude Era storyline but apparently it doesn't count if that's the shameless, uninspired rehash that the fans actually want.

Anyway, Roman wins the title, gets cheered loudly and even receives "You deserve it" chants. This happens in the same city that booed his ass to oblivion earlier that year at the Royal Rumble by the way.

So fans like Roman again and he comes out to pops again until WM season comes around again and he has to defend his title in the Royal Rumble. Realizing this means the wrestler they've been cheering again for a week or two is pretty much guaranteed to headline WM (either as the champ or as the #1 contender), they start hating him again, just because I guess (because they remembered they were supposed to not like him , or because it just took them that long to realize that Roman was heading into the WM main event again).
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Now we can all agree that bad booking decisions have screwed over Roman a lot, but how do you expect creative to do anything other than what they want themselves if the fans can't even stay on the same page for more than a week about what they want? It's damned if you do, damned if you don't and that's just one example of wrestling fans being filled with that asinine self entitlement of believing they should control the product, despite being just as fickle as Vince or Dixie or Trips or Gedo or Jarrett.

Entitlement? No one likes to have someone forced on them. It started with Cena and it is continuing with Reigns.

And these same "entitled" fans are the same ones continuing to buy merchandise, attend the shows, and talk about wrestling on the internet.

The worst types of fans are those who complain about EVERYTHING and never have a positive thing to say (*cough* @Kill Dat Noize *cough*) and the hipster wrestling fans who call everyone marks and basically mock people for actually giving a damn about wrestling (I shouldn't even have to mention names for this one).

There's a reason why people act like AJ Styles finally matters now that he's in the WWE

The only people who have been saying that are the WWE stooges. Most wrestling fans aren't saying anything ridiculous like that. There are far more wrestling fans than WWE stooges which is something that the OP doesn't realize or refuses to realize. He'd rather lie to himself about why TNA is an embarrassment instead of acknowledging the truth.

 

[Wacky D]

If they had built a good and unique product, the support could easily have been there.

they did that for the 1st 7 years and it got them nowhere.

and they did it again for a 2-year stretch recently and it got them nowhere.

I'm seeing a lot of posts like this where people agree with me but they really don't want to admit it all the way and find something to say at the end, that goes against my thread title.

 

[Silkk]

man TNA was stuck in neutral business-wise for a long time when they made that move.

that's why they made it. and then all of a sudden the ratings & profits jumped. the amount of posts & threads on this very board about TNA made a huge jump as well. so lets not rewrite history and act like business was boomin.

sure, it was fools gold, because they chased away majority of their core audience and it was a wrap when the casuals lost interest. but how did we even get to this point in the 1st place? because of the state of the wrestling industry & so-called wrestling fans.

We got to this place with TNA because they overspent on over the hill talent and relatives of wrestlers.

Nasty Boys
Garrett Bischoff
Brooke Hogan
Xpac & Hall in 2010
Bubba the love sponge

Then dixie goes and pisses off Spike TV which was the biggest attribute they had.

And the biggest factor, she let ALL of her talent walk away:

Sting
AJ Styles
Samoa Joe
Kurt Angle
Christopher Daniels
Bully Ray
Motor City Machine Guns
Bobby Roode
Eric Young
MVP(fired)
Jay Lethal

How is any of that the fans' fault?

 

[Wacky D]

This Thread is misleading, but only talking about TNA.

• Wrestling Fans didn't kill the X-Division
• Wrestling Fans didn't push TNA into using WWE retreads and put new talent on the back burner
• Wrestling Fans didn't put the World Title around Jeff Jarrett's fukkboi waist

TNA fukked up itself by its own terms, not the fans.

- TNA made its most money when they put the x-division on the backburner.
- TNA made its most money when they started using "WWE retread". and I don't know why youre calling them WWE retreads when nearly all of them were stars before they went to the WWE.........which leads to another problem I have with "wrestling fans".
- whether you like jeff jarrett or not(and I agree that he over-pushed himself), he was a champion everywhere he went, before and after TNA, except the WWF, where he had a long-standing beef with the most powerful wrestler over there at the time.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

The worst types of fans are those who complain about EVERYTHING and never have a positive thing to say (*cough* @Kill Dat Noize *cough*) and the hipster wrestling fans who call everyone marks and basically mock people for actually giving a damn about wrestling (I shouldn't even have to mention names for this one).

it's hard to stay positive when your team is in last place.

i'm a loyal fan but the company is in shambles, no shame in acknowledging it.

 

[Wacky D]

We got to this place with TNA because they overspent on over the hill talent and relatives of wrestlers.

Nasty Boys
Garrett Bischoff
Brooke Hogan
Xpac & Hall in 2010
Bubba the love sponge

Then dixie goes and pisses off Spike TV which was the biggest attribute they had.

And the biggest factor, she let ALL of her talent walk away:

Sting
AJ Styles
Samoa Joe
Kurt Angle
Christopher Daniels
Bully Ray
Motor City Machine Guns
Bobby Roode
Eric Young
MVP(fired)
Jay Lethal

How is any of that the fans' fault?

the bolded is basically all family members except maybe xpac & hall - but if those two got big WWE contracts in 2010, yall would be marking out. the same way yall bust nuts over old ass wrestlers in the WWE. but if theyre in another promotion, yall chit on them. this has been going on since the Monday night wars. it started with the billionaire ted skits. that's 6 1/2 years before TNA even existed.

of course the talent is gonna walk after a while. you can only stay in a dead-end job for but so long. at some point you have to get a big payday while you still have some of your prime left in you. but the real question is, why is this a dead-end company? you gotta blame the fans for that.

 

[Wacky D]

it's hard to stay positive when your team is in last place.

i'm a loyal fan but the company is in shambles, no shame in acknowledging it.

loyal for what? this is the stuff i'm talking about.

the WWE isn't a team or a sports franchise. its a promotion. a product.

if the product is bad, then stop f*ckin with it and try another product. and I don't mean dip & dab in another promotion and casually watch an episode, and then brush it off if that particular episode isn't better than a "best of wrestlemania" mixtape.

I don't understand this mentality man. and before somebody tries to call me a TNA stan or some dumb chit, do remember, when Hogan ruined TNA, I stopped watching that chit and didnt pick back up until like 3 1/2 years later. I don't even know when he left.

 

[Silkk]

the bolded is basically all family members except maybe xpac & hall - but if those two got big WWE contracts in 2010, yall would be marking out. the same way yall bust nuts over old ass wrestlers in the WWE. but if theyre in another promotion, yall chit on them. this has been going on since the Monday night wars. it started with the billionaire ted skits. that's 6 1/2 years before TNA even existed.

of course the talent is gonna walk after a while. you can only stay in a dead-end job for but so long. at some point you have to get a big payday while you still have some of your prime left in you. but the real question is, why is this a dead-end company? you gotta blame the fans for that.

1. people were shytting on Nash in 2011 when he came back to WWE

And the main complaint about wrestlemania 32 was the old wrestlers doing what they did.


2. This was the no.2 north american pro wrestling company for a decade, not a warehouse job

Hogan was getting 35,000 per appearance. Sting was getting $500k annually, Angle was getting $600k. The money was there, and Spike was even helping with talent salaries. Dixie was just reckless.

 

[Silkk]

it's hard to stay positive when your team is in last place.

i'm a loyal fan but the company is in shambles, no shame in acknowledging it.

How?

Did you see the numbers WM32 just did? And the network has 1.8 milion subscribers.

 

[mrken12]

1. people were shytting on Nash in 2011 when he came back to WWE

And the main complaint about wrestlemania 32 was the old wrestlers doing what they did.


2. This was the no.2 north american pro wrestling company for a decade, not a warehouse job

Hogan was getting 35,000 per appearance. Sting was getting $500k annually, Angle was getting $600k. The money was there, and Spike was even helping with talent salaries. Dixie was just reckless.

And people here really said that he makes good points?

He can't even keep his lies straight.