WTF was Jayz thinking going at Nas?

[FunkDoc1112]

I guess a lot of people forget about this which was the precursor to Ether

Yeah most people don't realize that the entire Takeover verse was a direct response to this. Jay addressed basically everything he said here, then Nas clearly did his homework on The Blueprint and hit him back on everything possible lmao

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Bleek had the song what you think of that and the chorus had a line about “ I’m a ball til I fall what you think of that”

Nas drops Nostradamus and has a line in it that goes “you want to ball til you fall I can help you with that”

People gas Bleek into thinking Nas is dissing him and drops Mind Right and has the line “Your lifestyles written? Who you supposed to be play your position. “

Nas’ mom get sick and is on her deathbed so he takes a break from the industry to where people believe it was over for his career. (The “I gave you life when nikkas was forgetting you MC “ line from blueprint 2 is a reference to this.)

Jay does summer jam and disses Prodigy and starts feeling himself and declares that Nas doesn’t want it with him.

Nas, while watching his mom slowly pass away gets the news that he got dissed by a dude who had been trying to be his friend for years that he’d been curving and was stalking him so hard he started dating his baby mother. (That’s where the “ I KNOW YOU ain’t talking “ line in the beginning of ether comes from. )

Rest is history

Carmen did say Jay didnt know they were together when he first tried to Holla at her as he didn't even know who she was. But definitely started pursuing her harder once he found out

 

[Bondye Vodou]

Same thing that goes through the mind of a predator when it sees wounded prey. Jay thought Nas would be an easy target because he wasn't popping at that moment.

 

[HNIC973]

Say a man who at the time was only the second rapper in HISTORY to have two albums go Platinum in the same year needed a beef to “save his career” brehs

They forget I Am would've sold more if Columbia continued to push it, Instead of moving onto Nastradamus. I Am had the 4th highest 1st week sales of any hip hop album that year(Despite heavy bootlegging I Am was literally everywhere). Guess who was 5th . You can tell who was outside & who wasn't

 

[HNIC973]

Then there's the myth that anybody but X had shyt on lock. And There was X sold damn near 700k 1st week. He had multi plat albums the previous year. The revisionist history with a certain stan base is. For clarity that's 182K more than Chronic 2001 1st week

 

[JustCKing]

They forget I Am would've sold more if Columbia continued to push it, Instead of moving onto Nastradamus. I Am had the 4th highest 1st week sales of any hip hop album that year(Despite heavy bootlegging I Am was literally everywhere). Guess who was 5th . You can tell who was outside & who wasn't

It's crazy because they still could've pushed I Am... throughout the Summer into early Fall. He was performing "Hate Me Now" as The Source Awards that year. They could've dropped like two more singles ("You Won't See Me Tonight" and another one) and it could've pushed the album triple platinum. They still could've dropped Nastradamus in November.

 

[HNIC973]

It's crazy because they still could've pushed I Am... throughout the Summer into early Fall. He was performing "Hate Me Now" as The Source Awards that year. They could've dropped like two more singles ("You Won't See Me Tonight" and another one) and it could've pushed the album triple platinum. They still could've dropped Nastradamus in November.

You Won't See Me Tonight was getting played on the radio at the time missed opportunity. Guess Columbia got what they wanted in the end multi plat & plat albums in 1 year

 

[Cuban Pete]

Eat a Doberman dikk, btw, anybody about to complain…shut up, you didn’t have to click, ya mook, stop crying puzzy…salute tho.









2nd verse








Jayz a fn legend but this negro really thought his “chyeah…ungh huh ungh…we in da buildin” happy zookeeper ass was gonna make it out alive steppin to an apex predator. Be a brilliant business man and a fukking idiot at the same time brehs. Get destroyed….nig had a 4% chance of winning that battle. Shhit lowkey pissing me off, Ryan Garcia tryna step to Iron Mike…gtfoh, what are you doing? You’re nice but he’s gonna rip your nose off B. Smh, yall be safe tho…nig shoulda sent Sigel, he woulda got gutted too but still…you not built like that champ

What’s Nas most vicious verses?

Its crazy cause I was always a Stan of both artists, they were both my icons as far as lyrics, but the older I got the more I fell back on even listening to Hov while I still fw Nas heavy... even prime Jay, 98 to 2002 Hov I look back at it like "damn this shyt kinda ass" compared to even wack Nas records... Hov is Fabolous with a better PR machine and club records.

Lets not even get into the biting, the dikkriding for attention moves like attaching his album to a Denzel movie cause he was scared to flop, absolute trash Ghetto Techno and that Justin Timberlake Holy Grail album, the fake deep Basquiat camel faced James Baldwin switch up after years of being a hustler who just happens to rap, and all around just self aggrandizement to the fullest. A whole library dedícated to his lyrics when he never really said anything meaningful like a Pac, Nas, Face, 3K or X... he just said slick shyt in a charismatic way, its like giving Jadakiss a library for his lines

Self praise is no praise

 

[BlueHeffner]

Its crazy cause I was always a Stan of both artists, they were both my icons as far as lyrics, but the older I got the more I fell back on even listening to Hov while I still fw Nas heavy... even prime Jay, 98 to 2002 Hov I look back at it like "damn this shyt kinda ass" compared to even wack Nas records... Hov is Fabolous with a better PR machine and club records.

Lets not even get into the biting, the dikkriding for attention moves like attaching his album to a Denzel movie cause he was scared to flop, absolute trash Ghetto Techno and that Justin Timberlake Holy Grail album, the fake deep Basquiat camel faced James Baldwin switch up after years of being a hustler who just happens to rap, and all around just self aggrandizement to the fullest. A whole library dedícated to his lyrics when he never really said anything meaningful like a Pac, Nas, Face, 3K or X... he just said slick shyt in a charismatic way, its like giving Jadakiss a library for his lines

Self praise is no praise

Thecoli.com

 

[Pegasus Jackson]

Camel had a weird obsession with Nas. fukked his baby mama.. etc. He was jealous.

 

[BlueHeffner]

Camel had a weird obsession with Nas. fukked his baby mama.. etc. He was jealous.

You Nas stans trying to juelz ya way out of this L is hilarious

If Nas fukked Beyonce, yall would be clowning hov to bolivia

 

[Doin2Much Williams]

Nas the ggoat (greatest goat)…



But man had to do sisqo like that



The dru hill front man caught more strays than a widowed cat lady.




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[JustCKing]

You Nas stans trying to juelz ya way out of this L is hilarious

If Nas fukked Beyonce, yall would be clowning hov to bolivia

The difference is Jay Z was an admitted fan of Nas. To go and then brag about sleeping with his baby mother comes off as creepy. He tried to do what Pac did with Faith, but completely missed the line "you claim to be playa" and the fact that Faith Evans was a platinum R&B artist.

Nas wasn't married to Carmen. None of us really knew her name like that. So it's like "Who?". So yes, it would've been a flex for Nas to brag about being with Beyonce hypothetically. She was in one of the biggest R&B groups of all time. Besides being Nas's baby mother, who was Carmen that a listener would even really care? How is it a flex to brag about being with the baby mother of a rapper you were a fan of? How does this even really make Nas look bad? She cheated on him with another rapper. And to make it worse on Jay's part, he talked slick about Nas kissing her after him being with her. Well, what exactly was Jay doing with her after Allen Iverson was with her, since Jay put that out there too?

 

[FTBS]

The difference is Jay Z was an admitted fan of Nas. To go and then brag about sleeping with his baby mother comes off as creepy. He tried to do what Pac did with Faith, but completely missed the line "you claim to be playa" and the fact that Faith Evans was a platinum R&B artist.

Nas wasn't married to Carmen. None of us really knew her name like that. So it's like "Who?". So yes, it would've been a flex for Nas to brag about being with Beyonce hypothetically. She was in one of the biggest R&B groups of all time. Besides being Nas's baby mother, who was Carmen that a listener would even really care? How is it a flex to brag about being with the baby mother of a rapper you were a fan of? How does this even really make Nas look bad? She cheated on him with another rapper. And to make it worse on Jay's part, he talked slick about Nas kissing her after him being with her. Well, what exactly was Jay doing with her after Allen Iverson was with her, since Jay put that out there too?

This was the most part of it. Just outing that married dude's business because you got ethered

The other issue with the Carmen shyt is that it had been done. It wasnt original and like you said nobody knew Carmen like that to care.

As far as what Jay was thinking it was pretty obvious...he thought he was untouchable and underestimated Nas. Glad he did because it was historic moment. 23 years later its still a thing

 

[Foxmulder]

You Won't See Me Tonight was getting played on the radio at the time missed opportunity. Guess Columbia got what they wanted in the end multi plat & plat albums in 1 year

From what I remember they were going to shoot a video for You Won’t See Me Tonight but Aaliyah pulled out after the Puffy-Stoute incident. Could be wrong though.