Xbox One frees up extra computing power for developers :win:

[MeachTheMonster]

Of course a parity clause exists for XB1. It is one of the ways Microsoft tries to keep the gap closed. Developers are pressured into keeping the gap closed - namely indies.

No they do not. You are making this up, its just not true. Plenty of games have released with different specs and different content.

And yeah, I'd like facts, but you keep bringing in non-existent "stan stories" into the mix. Please provide me with this FUD and evidence sir.

You are the one making claims that Microsoft is forcing devs to gimp PS4 games. It's up to you to prove it.

Most releases have not been, and the average is that the multiplats play better on the PS4.

Most recent releases have been the same resolution on both. And some of them have the more stable framerate on X1. Yes overall PS4 has the advantage, but its not as large as y'all make it out to be

Microsoft can't throw money at everybody.

This is a very convenient deflection for someone who clams to be concerned with "facts"

Who's Microsoft throwing money at and why? Give proof.

Bioware's shown that PS4 is better (Dragon Age). DICE has shown that the PS4 is faster (BF4).

Dragon age actually has the better framerate on X1

Can you tell me where the RAM setup has its advantage on the XB1 over the PS4? PS4 has the advantages in spades with size being equal, speed being more than double the XB1, and throughput nearly 2.5x that of the XB1. The memory controller on the PS4 is also 4x as fast.

You made all of this up. It's not even deservent of a response.

The CPU is only about 150MHz faster, which is less than 10%, which translates into even less for performance real time. The GPU on the PS4 has 50% more shader cores plus more compute units and ROPs (you know, hardware that Microsoft can't try to inflate with clock speeds). On top of the superior memory access (256bit bus, 5500MHz speedy GDDR5) the GPU is a completely higher class and stomps the XB1.I love facts. Especially computing hardware. You just never provide them.

Yes the PS4 GPU is faster. And we are seeing the results of that I'm games. It is nowhere near a "completely higher class" or "stomping" anything.

The X1 CPU is faster and we are also seeing that in games.

Both machines are very close in performance and capabilities, devs have said this from the jump. It's only you fanboys that want to pretend PS4 is some all powerful magical machine. Both are lower-mid end machines. That's the truth.

 

[Rice N Beans]

No they do not. You are making this up, its just not true. Plenty of games have released with different specs and different content.

Here we go, Meach denying there's any parity clause. Already fumble number one. Maybe we can ask Phil Spencer about it.

Because some games don't have it doesn't mean doesn't exist. The fact that you try and twist it into an extremist all or nothing attitude is a pitiful deflection on your end.

You are the one making claims that Microsoft is forcing devs to gimp PS4 games. It's up to you to prove it.

It's in the agreement that you can't launch later without giving exclusive content for indie games. its discussed in the Spencers interview - both of them relating to the topic.

Most recent releases have been the same resolution on both. And some of them have the more stable framerate on X1. Yes overall PS4 has the advantage, but its not as large as y'all make it out to be

No, in actuality, they haven't. You're too busy focusing on a select handful and using it to paint the bug picture.

This is a very convenient deflection for someone who clams to be concerned with "facts"

I never used it as deflection.. In fact that sentence was separate.

Dragon age actually has the better framerate on X1

You mean the one to two frame difference in averages? While the PS4 pushes it at 1080p at the same time too with better visuals? Yeah that shows how much better the PS4 is by maintaining similar frame rates at a higher resolution and graphical fidelity than the XB1.

You made all of this up. It's not even deservent of a response.

Please provide technical specifications that refute my statement. I guarantee you won't.

Yes the PS4 GPU is faster. And we are seeing the results of that I'm games. It is nowhere near a "completely higher class" or "stomping" anything.

I can tell understanding hardware isn't your strong card.

The X1 CPU is faster and we are also seeing that in games.

No, the lower resolution and graphics is what you're seeing maintaining those framerates.

Both machines are very close in performance and capabilities

If that were so you wouldn't see the resolution and performance differences between the two consoles - normally landing in favor of the PS4.

devs have said this from the jump.

Not the general consensus.

It's only you fanboys that want to pretend PS4 is some all powerful magical machine. Both are lower-mid end machines. That's the truth.

I'm not claiming it's an all powerful magic machine. Just that it's superior to the XBox one in both hardware and performance.

 

[winb83]

I find it amusing they keep tossing these "performance enhancements" bits to the media and yet it still under performs vs the PS4 (higher res and less avail memory). Goes to show that RAM jump and better GPU punched MS in the gut.

The developer of Dying Light says they got 1080p 30FPS out of the Xbox One after the latest SDK came out.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Here we go, Meach denying there's any parity clause. Already fumble number one. Maybe we can ask Phil Spencer about it.

Because some games don't have it doesn't mean doesn't exist. The fact that you try and twist it into an extremist all or nothing attitude is a pitiful deflection on your end.

That's you trying to turn it into all or nothing.

The only "parity" clause that exists is solely about release date. Not performance as you said it does.

It's in the agreement that you can't launch later without giving exclusive content for indie games. its discussed in the Spencers interview - both of them relating to the topic.

It has nothing to do with exclusive content. It just states that it you are gonna get a free dev kit and be allowed to self publsish then the game needs to come out on Xbox first or at the same time as other platforms. Again has nothing to do with PERFROMANCE. Which is what this thread and our conversation was about.

No, in actuality, they haven't. You're too busy focusing on a select handful and using it to paint the bug picture.

Yes they have.

Destiny and Diablo. Same resolution, very similar framerate.

GTA V. Same resolution, More foliage on PS4, better framerate on Xbox.

Assasins creed. Same resolution, better framerate on Xbox

COD. Higher resolution on PS4, better framerate on Xbox.

So you tell me, which recent game shows this "huge" difference you keep speaking of?

I never used it as deflection.. In fact that sentence was separate.

Yeah you did. Why even bring it up?

You mean the one to two frame difference in averages? While the PS4 pushes it at 1080p at the same time too with better visuals? Yeah that shows how much better the PS4 is by maintaining similar frame rates at a higher resolution and graphical fidelity than the XB1.

Graphical fidelity is the same. Framerate is better on Xbox, resolution better on PS4.

That's exactly in line with what the hardware specs suggest. Better CPU in Xbox, better GPU in ps4. Neither is a "huge" or "significant" difference as you claimed.

Please provide technical specifications that refute my statement. I guarantee you won't.

You made it up, there's nothing to dispute.

I can tell understanding hardware isn't your strong card.

Yup, as you make up lies

No, the lower resolution and graphics is what you're seeing maintaining those framerates.

No framerate and resolution aren't always directly related. If a game is CPU bound, lowering the resolution won't change anything.

If that were so you wouldn't see the resolution and performance differences between the two consoles - normally landing in favor of the PS4.

Yes it would. No two systems will perform EXACTLY the same for a multitude of reasons before we even talk about tech specs. Had you read the article in the OP and/or the documents they pulled their info from you'd understand that.

From jump devs have said they are similar. The performance of games proves that to be the case. PS3 and 360 were much further apart in terms of power and capability.

Not the general consensus.

Yes it is. Show me a dev saying there is a huge difference between the machines.

I can show you a bunch that say its very similar.

I'm not claiming it's an all powerful magic machine. Just that it's superior to the XBox one in both hardware and performance.

Yes, in the same way a Focus is "superior" to a Camry

 

[Dragonfly Jones]

Im still waiting for them to fix those crushing blacks

 

[NatiboyB]

Damn I see why the Breh got the woat.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Damn I see why the Breh got the woat.

Yeah you see why.

I tell the truth, and back it up with facts, videos, links. And I'm the "woat"

Others tell flat out lies and innacuracies based on made up conspiracy theories. And those posts are totally valid to you.

That's the arcadium for you. Ignorance, lies and untruths, make this place go round

 

[NatiboyB]

Yeah you see why.

I tell the truth, and back it up with facts, videos, links. And I'm the "woat"

Others tell flat out lies and innacuracies based on made up conspiracy theories. And those posts are totally valid to you.

That's the arcadium for you. Ignorance, lies and untruths, make this place go round

Right

 

[Mensch Fontana]

So Xbox cannibalizing one of their main selling features to struggle to match the PS4 specs is a win now?


Guess everything isnt better with kinect

 

[Rekkapryde]

So Xbox cannibalizing one of their main selling features to struggle to match the PS4 specs is a win now?


Guess everything isnt better with kinect

Dunno why they can't accept the fact that they have the weaker system between the two. It is what it is.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

That's you trying to turn it into all or nothing.

The only "parity" clause that exists is solely about release date. Not performance as you said it does.


It has nothing to do with exclusive content. It just states that it you are gonna get a free dev kit and be allowed to self publsish then the game needs to come out on Xbox first or at the same time as other platforms. Again has nothing to do with PERFROMANCE. Which is what this thread and our conversation was about.


Yes they have.

Destiny and Diablo. Same resolution, very similar framerate.

GTA V. Same resolution, More foliage on PS4, better framerate on Xbox.

Assasins creed. Same resolution, better framerate on Xbox

COD. Higher resolution on PS4, better framerate on Xbox.

So you tell me, which recent game shows this "huge" difference you keep speaking of?



Yeah you did. Why even bring it up?


Graphical fidelity is the same. Framerate is better on Xbox, resolution better on PS4.

That's exactly in line with what the hardware specs suggest. Better CPU in Xbox, better GPU in ps4. Neither is a "huge" or "significant" difference as you claimed.



You made it up, there's nothing to dispute.




Yup, as you make up lies





No framerate and resolution aren't always directly related. If a game is CPU bound, lowering the resolution won't change anything.




Yes it would. No two systems will perform EXACTLY the same for a multitude of reasons before we even talk about tech specs. Had you read the article in the OP and/or the documents they pulled their info from you'd understand that.

From jump devs have said they are similar. The performance of games proves that to be the case. PS3 and 360 were much further apart in terms of power and capability.


Yes it is. Show me a dev saying there is a huge difference between the machines.

I can show you a bunch that say its very similar.



Yes, in the same way a Focus is "superior" to a Camry

 

[dBoyFresh*212]

oh shyt is this true??

xbox bout to drop them 800p exclusives now

 

[YaThreadTrashB!]

u can preach all this bullshyt @MeachTheMonster but u use the kinect so your personal experience is less then every other kinectless xbot as far as performance goes






preach one thing and do another brehs

 

[BasedPrime]

oh shyt is this true??

xbox bout to drop them 800p exclusives now

I dont post bullshyt and rumors unlike yourself

Rise of the Tomb Raider 1080p60fps

 

[MeachTheMonster]

u can preach all this bullshyt @MeachTheMonster but u use the kinect so your personal experience is less then every other kinectless xbot as far as performance goes






preach one thing and do another brehs

Be stupid as fukk brehs