Y'all don't think the Coli's hatred for Drake is a lil excessive at times?

[SunZoo]

Absolutely nothing in the history of rap, going back to it's very first hit record...which was ghostwritten, suggests this is true....Eminem is on record calling black women "black bytches...****** shyt" and not a damn thing happened to his career...a reference track from proof with a hook and half a verse ain't doing shyt to Em ...it'd be a talking point on message boards and Em would still be the biggest popstar of the 21 century ...

Him retaining pop star status is not what we're discussing, we are talking about respect and credibility. Eminem's pop star status has nothing to do with the respect he gets from the culture and his peers as an MC. Will Smith's numbers didn't fetch him Jay Z respect, there's a reason for that.

And even with him people try to knock him for flipping lines of other rappers throughout his career...do you think he would still be GOAT status with other rappers being credited 3/4ths of his album and multiple reference tracks of people performing his songs before he did surfacing??



"So if the mic is your grind then biting's a crime, especially if a ghost writers writing your rhymes" - Rakim

You mean to tell me if it came out that G-Rap was writing his shyt that it would just be some talking point and not a huge asterisk looming over legacy that was built on his talent as a rapper?

 

[Long Live The Kane]

You mean to tell me if it came out that G-Rap was writing his shyt that it would just be some talking point and not a huge asterisk looming over legacy that was built on his talent as a rapper?

Yup...I'm telling you this 100% ...if exactly what happened to drake happened to Em (3 or 4 reference tracks consisting of hooks and a couple of incomplete verses leaked), we'd have people ...you chief among them...parsing the fukk out of it and making very reasoned and nuanced arguments as to ems talent despite of occasional help...it'd be an argument that would largely only happen online, and the rest of the world wouldn't give a shyt

The whole ghostwriting thing is more about Drake than the sanctity of hip hop...if it weren't, we wouldn't have a guy on plenty cliche "real hip hop son!!!" Top 10 lists in Common casually walking on stage to accept an Oscar for a song written by rhymefest with nary a fukk given by anyone

 

[SunZoo]

Yup...I'm telling you this 100% ...if exactly what happened to drake happened to Em (3 or 4 reference tracks consisting of hooks and a couple of incomplete verses leaked), we'd have people ...you chief among them...parsing the fukk out of it and making very reasoned and nuanced arguments as to ems talent despite of occasional help...it'd be an argument that would largely only happen online, and the rest of the world wouldn't give a shyt

Nah, especially seeing how it was more than those references that Flex leaked.

You got him "remixing" artists songs with the original performer and then putting gag orders on him. You got Hush credited for damn near every song with rapping on it on for two studio albums. You got his own artists telling you how he sets up concentration camps farming songs from up and comers. You apply all that to Eminem and how his credibility was built on his talent for rapping and he can no longer be considered an MC....he'd be a performance artist, a cover band.

 

[sporticus]

People don't do that for Wayne or 50, who were the last two commercial golden boys, so don't hold your breath.

Fred.

Wayne ain't done. People STILL love him.

50's time ain't been gone long enough.

Future just went plat, Big Sean went plat, K Dot went plat, a couple J. Cole albums were certified plat this year....that's just off the top of my head.

Fred.

If Big Sean went platinum, I'm a pterodactyl. J. Cole getting certified finally for a year ago don't count. K. Dot may have finally done it for an old album. Future is Future so I'll count it. So Drake & Future basically.

 

[hex]

Wayne ain't done. People STILL love him.

50's time ain't been gone long enough.



If Big Sean went platinum, I'm a pterodactyl. J. Cole getting certified finally for a year ago don't count. K. Dot may have finally done it for an old album. Future is Future so I'll count it. So Drake & Future basically.

Wayne is beyond done. He can't even get a release date. His career is over.

I'm at "I'll count it" or "don't count". It's not up to you. All the numbers I quoted are from the RIAA, and trying to put a clock on when people get certified is silly. It's when the label pays for it. So the exact time is wildly inaccurate either way.

Cole went plat. K. Dot went plat for "TPAB". Future's "DS2" went plat, and his shyt with Drake. And Big Sean went plat with "Dark Sky Paradise". Just say "ok, I was wrong" and KIM.

Fred.

 

[Juggalo Fred]

I mean on an average day there's like 6-8 threads dedicated to shyttin on Drake, and more that somehow turn into Drake bashing threads by page 3.



That shyt don't seem just a lil excessive to y'all?

I'm a lot more concerned with the colis lack of interest in ICP

 

[Killigraphy]

You still don't believe drake uses writers even after his team came out and admitted to using reference tracks tho

Paying someone to use a chorus isn't the same as having someone write your own raps, I thought that difference was as clear as day. What I have seen and heard, was QM say he didn't write for him, that much there is evidence on. But using a reference track is as old as when Pac or Big did it, are we to believe LL , Big and Pac have people writing for them just because they borrowed a beat or a chorus? C'mon son.

 

[hex]

Paying someone to use a chorus isn't the same as having someone write your own raps, I thought that difference was as clear as day. What I have seen and heard, was QM say he didn't write for him, that much there is evidence on. But using a reference track is as old as when Pac or Big did it, are we to believe LL , Big and Pac have people writing for them just because they borrowed a beat or a chorus? C'mon son.

Hush is credited as the writer on 75% of "Take Care" and 50% of "NWTS". You cats really gotta start looking into things before you post.

Fred.

 

[Killigraphy]

Hush is credited as the writer on 75% of "Take Care" and 50% of "NWTS". You cats really gotta start looking into things before you post.

Fred.

He's credited on the song, that doesn't mean he wrote it. Or even had any stake on it passed giving a suggestion; Dude could've told the producer to put a "yeah" at the end of each line and he would get credit for "writing". I understand you don't know how the it works in the business, but all that information can be gathered online now. To put it more plainly; you could get a writing credit for just telling said artist to change or take out a line. It's like getting a producer credit on films, this might come to as a surprise to you but many producers don't put a dime on Hollywood blockbusters.

 

[hex]

He's credited on the song, that doesn't mean he wrote it. Or even had any stake on it passed giving a suggestion; Dude could've told the producer to put a "yeah" at the end of each line and he would get credit for "writing". I understand you don't know how the it works in the business, but all that information can be gathered online now. To put it more plainly; you could get a writing credit for just telling said artist to change or take out a line. It's like getting a producer credit on films, this might come to as a surprise to you but many producers don't put a dime on Hollywood blockbusters.

He's credited on the song as the writer. His name rarely ever appears lower than 3rd on the credits, behind only Drake and 40. In some cases it's the first name on the song credit.

If you think he got this many credits, and credit above the guy rapping the song, for one line or minimal help....you're retarded.

https://www.discogs.com/Drake-Take-Care/release/3637391
https://www.discogs.com/Drake-Nothing-Was-The-Same/release/5102993

Find me one other example of a guy having this much writing credit on two projects for saying "yeah" or comparatively minimal help. You can't, it doesn't happen.

I don't get why you dudes can't just bow gracefully out of a conversation when you're wrong. You gotta create this whole scenario in your mind....why? I don't get it.

Fred.

 

[10bandz]

He's credited on the song, that doesn't mean he wrote it. Or even had any stake on it passed giving a suggestion; Dude could've told the producer to put a "yeah" at the end of each line and he would get credit for "writing". I understand you don't know how the it works in the business, but all that information can be gathered online now. To put it more plainly; you could get a writing credit for just telling said artist to change or take out a line. It's like getting a producer credit on films, this might come to as a surprise to you but many producers don't put a dime on Hollywood blockbusters.

 

[hex]

I'm saying. The delusion is deep as fukk.

Drake was paying QM....what was it? $5000 a month? But he's giving out writing credits for a guy saying "yeah".?

Fred.

 

[bordeaux]

just too many threads about him w/ mainly the same arguments being had. i dnt see anyone budging or becoming enlightened. as someone else pointed out the booth would be pretty dead w/o him. rap is kinda slow now though so maybe thats it. there just havent been alot of worthwhile releases imo.

 

[Killigraphy]

I'm saying. The delusion is deep as fukk.

Drake was paying QM....what was it? $5000 a month? But he's giving out writing credits for a guy saying "yeah".?

Fred.

Thanks for proving my point.

No one here is deluded maybe of course you Drake stans/haters (really can't tell the difference anymore). Never said I was a Drake fan, never had to, I'd jump on board your little bandwagon of hate just for a few shyts and giggles, but ultimately, there's no evidence, nothing solid, passed him borrowing a chorus or two...but again if we used that train of very flawed logic, damn near all the legends had writers.

 

[Killigraphy]

just too many threads about him w/ mainly the same arguments being had. i dnt see anyone budging or becoming enlightened. as someone else pointed out the booth would be pretty dead w/o him. rap is kinda slow now though so maybe thats it. there just havent been alot of worthwhile releases imo.

In general this is nothing new, everyone needs a reason to grab the proverbial pitchfork, either to try and come off as funny to people they'll never meet, or because they feel like trolling, which in turn is due to the former.