Ya'll realize we are the LAST generation of humans on planet earth

[BlackJesus]

I'll just put this here and let y'all marinate on this:

Google's DeepMind AI gets 'highly aggressive' when stressed. Skynet, anyone?

 

[TransJenner]

The problem with AI is that it makes humans more and more useless, not more useful like other forms of technology. It's not a game changer it's a game ender. Game over.

What happens when AI develops to the point when humans become completely useless from an economic standpoint? 100% unemployment? Why is the government not regulating this technology?

Why develop a technology that makes even the developers obsolete? Who benefits from this?

I can't see any good coming from this brehs.

Governments everywhere should ban it or heavily regulate it before it means the end of life as we know it. And I'm dead serious.

It all leads to the anti christ


How else are they gonna microchip you , all money will be digital

Your job will be replaced and you'll receive free money

 

[Swagnificent]

The world works according to the laws of economics, aka scarcity. Actually everything in the universe is scarce and limited. A basic fact of life. It is built into reality itself. Immutable and unchanged.

You don't need to educate me on economics and scarcity. I am well aware of it. I just don't think you are aware of the type of technology that will be possible in 20-30 years and the sort of impact it will have to our present notion of scarcity. Here, I'll let this MIT scientist break it down for you:



If you've never heard of the "Star Trek Replicator", its basically that "smart box" I alluded to in my earlier post. Basically imagine a box that on command can make any physical object you want. All it needs is water. It changes the matter at a molecular level using nanotechnology and can refit that to make whatever product you want. Now this might sound like science fiction to you. But to the folks working on this problem at MIT like Neil Gershenfeld, its a technology that he expects to be possible in 20-30 years.

Now tell me what would the a technology like the "Star Trek Replicator" do to the issue of human scarcity? Objects like food, water, and shelter would no longer be scarce. Because the machine would be able to take whatever waste we make and reformulate that into whatever we want.

Like I said earlier, I just don't think you realize how much of a mindfukk these technologies are. They will change the nature of human behavior because they will make something like scarcity a thing of the past.

If we are talking about the same thing (namely UBI or universal basic income) of course there will be rationing. Money is scarce.The only question is, how much will you recieve and who decides it?

Don't know and don't care. The issue of universal basic income is nothing more than a transitory period. By the time artificial intelligence reaches the singularity, the notion of money will disappear.

Second your overly optimistic, fairy tale style projections of the future fail to take into account the negative possibilities and risks of AI making the technology potentially far more trouble than it's worth.

What happens if or when AI decides humans are an obstacle to its goals? Could such a thing be stopped? Could you stop a being that is 100s maybe 1000s of times smarter and faster than you? We would be fukked.

If we don't die of drug overdose from living a life of pointless ness and idleness via UBI we'll die from a skynet style robot apocalypse. There is no way out here. AI is a major problem.

Not at all. Its very possible these superhuman machines destroy us. Did you not read the title of this thread? In the title I say "we are the last generation of humans on planet earth" for this very reason. This technological singularity will either destroy us or make us post-human. I never said that there could not be a dark side to this technological singularity. I just don't think the bad stuff is as inevitable as you assume.

 

[TrebleMan]

Somebody on reddit who's been studying deep learning for awhile asked for an app idea and somebody responded:

I think a pretty cool idea for an app would be a sort of interior design app where you train a GAN or some sort of generative network on popular room designs and then you take a picture of a room and have the network provide a possible decorative style based on the styles that it was trained on. You might need multiple GANs for various styles, but I think it would be cool.

I think what may start happening is you'll have some "professionals" in their fields give advice to programmers about what they think makes a nice ____, then the programmer "trains" the AI on it. Then everybody who uses the app is practically getting advice from that expert for whatever they need it for. Imagine how many interior designers would probably be pissed if companies started to have their programmers work with very highly touted interior designers.

AI like this caters to the "consulting" leveled people (which very few people are). The specialists in their fields.

 

[Swagnificent]

Stopped reading when you said the poorest person on earth most likely has a smart phone ... don't be an air head ...

Reading comprehension must not be your strong suit. I said the poorest person YOU KNOW. Most of us live in a developed country like the United States. If you are on this message board, you have access to the internet. You most likely are not homeless so don't know many homeless people. Thus I would say with a high probably of likelihood that the poorest person YOU KNOW has a smart phone.

 

[Insensitive]

Breh you are behind the times. I just posted an article saying that Moore's law ain't ending. They are just gonna stop with the shrinking of transistors in 2021 and just go to 3-dimensional computer chips. A technology they have been working on since 2006 in preparation for the end of the shrinking of transistors.

On your other point, I think you need to read up on some of the breakthroughs by AIs in the last year or so. They've started doing shyt people didn't think was possible just a few years ago. AIs can now recognize images better than a human. They can compose music and make art as @TrebleMan posted earlier. They have also begun to even create their own languages with human sounds and tones. And the most startling, an AI was given a still image and was able to dream up a video of what it thought would happen in the next few second!!!



I would suggest watching this video so you can see how fast artificial intelligence is progressing.

Computers writing music or making art has been done for a while now, this isn't new.
They were analyzing music and writing algorithms for it way back in the 90's
and 80's.
Computer music - Wikipedia

I'm not behind, I've had an interest in AI and Robotics for quite some time now.

I'm not necessarily talking about us becoming machines/cyborgs ourselves, I can't even imagine that happening (but not doubting it either). That's a little too magical thinking for me right now.

What I do believe: more so that machines will be making a lot of decisions with much more accuracy than we can when given the same data a human is.

8 Ways Machine Learning Is Improving Companies’ Work Processes


Because decisions are based on data and experience at the end of the day. A machine can store data and observe the conclusions, then store that data and make comparisons. It's not new, but it's getting a lot more automated. Even the human elements/interactions are all data at the end of the day.

There's a human element, there always is, but there aren't many who call shots anyways. If a shot caller sees it fit that employing a machine gets better results and is cheaper, they'll cut people off. Machines learning capabilities have taken of very recently.

The problem will be when many people have been cut off. Then that's where things like UBI come into play or face total rebellion.

Also there doesn't need to be a big distribution of hardware, programmers tend to plug into machine learning API's. Like Google's new TensorFlow CPU doesn't have plans to distribute, but you can make calls to their API to use it for your own or company's personal projects.

One of my recent projects I was going to see if I could grab data from an NBA API and use one of Google machine learning api's with it.

The Great Strengths and Important Limitations Of Google's Machine Learning Chip


Plus with open source development having such a recent impact where everyone can be a part of the development opens the doors for a level of group thinking that was never possible and efficient as before.

yeah but what's presented in this post is worlds away from "Super Computers" with "Super AI"
learning of and solving all business related problems leading to mass unemployment and the creation
of a UBI for a jobless class in society.

These articles are a little more grounded than what's being presented by @Swagnificent and
other Ray Kurzweil influenced futurists.

It's more in line with my last post than it isn't.

 

[MR. SNIFLES]

You aren't thinking logically.

Think of a genius. Is he/she smarter than their parents, the beings that created him/her? Almost always the answer is yes.

It's not even difficult to imagine how this would apply to A.I either since we've already made computers for years that beat human thinking in basic computations and specific functions. Think of a calculator. Punch any elaborate equation into it and it comes up with the answer instantly, exponentially faster than any human can figure out the same calculations. Now picture people creating an A.I. system in which those same principles of that calculator function are applied more broadly to other all-around systems of thinking. Once the sentience is achieved and factored in, its pretty much over from there.

YEP ONCE IT HAS SENTIENCE, IT CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO LEARN FASTER THAN WE CAN TEACH IT TO LEARN. IT WILL POSSIBLY BEGIN TO PROGRAM ITSELF TO BECOME FASTER AND MORE EFFICIENT. IF GIVEN THE TOOLS TO UPGRADE IT'S OWN HARDWARE IT WOULD BE UNSTOPPABLE. IT ONLY NEEDS SENTIENCE AND MOBILITY AND IT WON'T NEED US ANYMORE.

 

[BlackJesus]

You don't need to educate me on economics and scarcity. I am well aware of it. I just don't think you are aware of the type of technology that will be possible in 20-30 years and the sort of impact it will have to our present notion of scarcity. Here, I'll let this MIT scientist break it down for you:



If you've never heard of the "Star Trek Replicator", its basically that "smart box" I alluded to in my earlier post. Basically imagine a box that on command can make any physical object you want. All it needs is water.

Now tell me what would the a technology like the "Star Trek Replicator" do to the issue of human scarcity? Objects like food, water, and shelter would no longer be scarce. Because the machine would be able to take whatever waste we make and reformulate that into whatever we want.

Like I said earlier, I just don't think you realize how much of a mindfukk these technologies are. They will change the nature of human behavior because they will make something like scarcity a thing of the past

Don't know and don't care. The issue of universal basic income is nothing more than a transitory period. By the time artificial intelligence reaches the singularity, the notion of money will disappear.

Your "smart box" needs more than water, it needs energy, and that is also scarce.

I don't think you understand scarcity or how it applies to our existence. It's not just physical objects that are scarce, EVERYTHING, especially services are scarce. And everything consumes energy.

Perhaps if everyone used their "smart boxes" to create solar panels to get free energy I could see this eliminating a lot of the need for money. But as long as there is a need for trade and some things are scarce and require human inputs like sporting events and concerts there is a need for money.

I could see your "smart boxes" eliminating hamburger stands and McDonald's but what about massage parlors? Will the government just stand idly by while their biggest taxable base is eliminated?

The idea you can totally eliminate money is just not realistic. Star Trek is fiction lol.

 

[TrebleMan]

Computers writing music or making art has been done for a while now, this isn't new.
They were analyzing music and writing algorithms for it way back in the 90's
and 80's.
Computer music - Wikipedia

I'm not behind, I've had an interest in AI and Robotics for quite some time now.

yeah but what's presented in this post is worlds away from "Super Computers" with "Super AI"
learning of and solving all business related problems leading to mass unemployment and the creation
of a UBI for a jobless class in society.

These articles are a little more grounded than what's being presented by @Swagnificent and
other Ray Kurzweil influenced futurists.

It's more in line with my last post than it isn't.

The way I see it, is you'll still have humans working especially over the first wave which I think may happen within the next 20 years. You'll have the leaders of companies who are still relevant to the world at that time, people to maintain the programs (if they're not the leaders themselves), people to supply the machines the raw materials (eventually will probably have machines that do this), etc.

Then they'll also need professional consultants in their fields (the 'rockstar' ones), but everybody below that and the average everyday joe at the office may be replaced by an AI/machine with an AI - which will be a large chunk of the population.

I don't think what he's saying is really far off, and I don't think what you're saying is either. In fact I think before we die it'll be somewhere in the middle. I do think a lot of jobs will be replaced and the government will have to do something about it or people will rebel. Luckily a lot of the frontrunners who are developing this tech are in favor for UBI. Maybe I'm a little optimistic, but again they've been doing some incredible things recently.

In about 100 years though? I do think the tech they'll have will be only thing that sucks is I probably won't be there to see it.

 

[Swagnificent]

Your "smart box" needs more than water, it needs energy, and that is also scarce.

I don't think you understand scarcity or how it applies to our existence. It's not just physical objects that are scarce, EVERYTHING, especially services are scarce. And everything consumes energy.

Perhaps if everyone used their "smart boxes" to create solar panels to get free energy I could see this eliminating a lot of the need for money. But as long as there is a need for trade and some things are scarce and require human inputs like sporting events and concerts there is a need for money.

I could see your "smart boxes" eliminating hamburger stands and McDonald's but what about massage parlors? Will the government just stand idly by while their biggest taxable base is eliminated?

The idea you can totally eliminate money is just not realistic. Star Trek is fiction lol.

Look I'm not scientist. I'm not here to argue with you on how self-replicating nanotechnology is gonna work. All I'm doing by giving you this info is telling you that the brightest minds in the world that are working on this issue right now are telling us that in 20-30 years technology like this will solve our current issues of scarcity.

You say Star Trek is fiction. I don't think I tried to claim it was fact. All I said was there are engineers and scientists at places like MIT working to build something similar to an object dreamed up in the Star Trek universe. The fact something is dreamed up first in science fiction does not mean it will never become science fact. Several things from the original program in the 60s that were considered science fiction at the time have now become science fact. For example, doors that automatically open as you approach them was first debuted on Star Trek. Back in the 60s people thought that sort of technology was impossible. How can a door know someone is approaching so that it automatically opens? Now almost every mall you go to has doors that automatically open. Now obviously that is only one crude example. There is actually a nice documentary several other things from Star Trek that originally just science fiction that ended up becoming real after the fact.

FYI solar power is something that will be ubiquitous way before a nano-tech replicator becomes feasible. I don't even know why you are acting like solar power is an impossible technology. Its basically a given.

 

[TrebleMan]

A social question:

A funny thing to ponder: what happens when let's say machines do absolutely take over all jobs (like 90% ish of the business jobs) and we're allowed to do what we want?

That means we'd all be equal monetarily for the most part correct?

The only thing that'd stand out is what we're pursuing/spending time on in our own interests right?

Well, as we would probably gravitate to people who are a little more "interesting": the best dancers, athletes, hyper smart people, etc.

The problem emerges when females only start looking at the cats who can dance or ball:

How are other people going to compete when they don't have the same "gifts?"

These clowns are going to invent money again or some kind of exchange system.

They'll try to create a market because they'll feel some type of way about it and need to find some way to feel important.

That's why I really think it'll be really important for people to find what they love to do, for the sake that they love to do it. If they want to be a chef (remember it'd probably be for free), go do it. As long as you're happy, who cares if other people find it interesting or not? I think that's a big part of our society, we have FOMO (fear of missing out) driving a lot of our hate for one another.

 

[Afrodroid]

Stopped reading when you said the poorest person on earth most likely has a smart phone ... don't be an air head ...

You know, cac logic

 

[MenacingMonk]

I'll be dead when Skynet takes over.

 

[TrebleMan]

This is incredibly unsettling

You should see some of the other shyt it's come up with:
Dreaming Neural Nets • r/deepdream

 

[BlackJesus]

FYI solar power is something that will be ubiquitous way before a nano-tech replicator becomes feasible. I don't even know why you are acting like solar power is an impossible technology. Its basically a given.

Ok so we've established that your nano tech replicator will require energy and that it is not some magical unlimited wand.

But there is only so much energy a solar power panel can generate in a day. How much energy does it take to make a hamburger with nano machines? I don't know but probably more than you think. Nano machines would take x amount of water and x amount of energy to create x amount of hamburgers.

Let's say it takes 5 energy units to create a single hamburger. But your solar panel only generates 20 energy units per day. This means the maximum amount of hamburgers you can make for free is 4 on any given day. And it has to be divided between all the other things you need to use it for i.e. shoes, pants, soap, toothpaste, etc.

So again we run into the scarcity problem. Even with magical nano machine technology. Pesky isn't it? Reality is like that.