Ya'll realize we are the LAST generation of humans on planet earth

[TrebleMan]

humans right now are robots we are all programmed threw our family city country religious movements race and a basic "humanity"

we love, fight be happy and sad completely kill eachother and come back togethor for the benefit of people who use us for there own gain

were already the perfect robots for those who are in power

we work and recharge ourselves feed and mantain ourselves like the perfect robot

Great post. Here's the funny thing:

A post on reddit was discussing a downside to UBI. First post:

First, I am not against UBI, but the most common argument is the threat of "freeloaders" taking advantage of the system. I agree that, in most UBI proposals, is that everyone gets the cash regardless, but the concern is that if someone has to "go to work" to produce goods and that those that opt out, are parasites.

The second argument is how to deal with children. If we give children some from of benefit, won't that result in "baby farms" to reap benefits?

A great replies to it:

I can understand why many people point towards "freeloaders" as the biggest criticism against UBI. But I think they miss the basic point of of a UI.

Critics will often throw out the argument that if you give people "free money" they will just sit on their ass and do nothing. I think this is a false premise.

Case in point: Look at ultra rich people with more money than they know what to do with. They still work. Richard Branson could just spend all his time sitting on the couch and snorting coke. But he doesn't. He works like a mad man. Same with Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Bill Clinton..Frak..even the Koch brothers work their asses off when in reality they all could just spend their money getting blowjobs and eating pie.

Humans cannot tolerate being bored. They will find something to do. The thing is a UBI would probably allow a lot of people to pursue stuff they actually WANT to do or what they might feel passionate about but which might not exactly pay the bills if they did pursue it.

Many of us work in jobs that are nothing more than an 8 hour stint so we can put food on the table and a roof over our head. I'm willing to bet that most of us have passions and skills that we would like to pursue and develop but can't because we have to go work and shovel this pile of shyt from here to over there for 40 years so that we may one day get that pension and retire.

If there was a a basic UI people would use that financial security to be creative. Just think of how many people you know in your life who are amazingly skilled or talented at something but can't/don't hone it because they have to go to work and verify some excel sheet full of numbers or make sure that this big red button gets pushed. I honestly think we'd have an explosion of creativity if we suddenly found ourselves with countless millions of people pursuing their passions.

And heck...even if a person didn't have a creative passion they would probably do something else. Maybe spend more time with their kids. Maybe go and read to elderly people. Maybe go and clean a park or renovate a slum. People will find constructive things to do.

Now...all that said there more than likely would still need to be people to do some sort of work. I still can't realistically imagine that the infrastructure of society could function if left 100% to automation and robots. There would still need to be some sort of human person checking this robot or making sure that robot that cleans the nuclear plant still works.

In this case maybe something like what they have instituted in some countries with regrads to military service is an option. Say at a certain age you go and work for a few years. (I know this sounds an awful lot like it is now...go get a job) I guess perhaps in my mind this "mandatory work period" is only for a few years and not the 40 or 50 plus years that we spend now.

Anyway...that's my 2 cents.

The paradigm shifts people would have to accept

 

[Adidacs]

Facts I'm almost 100% certain that google has utilised global search data to make some super hive mind AI word to Ex Machina

yeah they got their shyt for sure

i still think the real shyt is in the hands of a breakaway society

like the google shyt is their play toy

It's not "slaving" it's just called life. You want something you have to work for it. The terms were set by nature not by man.

What you advocate is making everyone a welfare recipient becuase where is the money going to come from to give UBI to everyone? That's right taxes. The way taxes work is your take from person A to give to person B. UBI is just one giant welfare scheme. Wow what a big idea.

In the future the government will effectively set all our salaries via UBI whereas today atleast we have some control and freedoms over our decisions and incomes. Is this the future you seriously want?

You think it's all Gucci because you'll be "freed" from work. Yet imagine living in a government-supplied 200x200 sq ft tackle box with a permanent fixed yearly income of $15,000 for the rest of your life and you can't do shyt about it.

I don't know about you but no thanks.

you're seriously boxing humanity in

who do you think controls the government dumbass? bankers

technology is technology, what matters is how humans program and utilize it

working for wages is not a fact of life, even if you've been brainwashed to believe that

just like a fulfilling purpose isn't equivalent to hunting for food, working tirelessly to maintain shelter, and fighting off predators

Yeah artificial intelligence will always get better over time but it will never be smarter than its creator

Ponder on this question "How can something be smarter than me and I created it"

It would be like humans saying their smarter than God and he created us.

god to humans is not what humans are to machines

sure the machines won't have human spirituality, but they could theoretically have everything else

That's a total different dynamic. Plus the teacher didn't create the student per se, he just gave him the necessary tools, and with those necessary tools the student expanded on what his teacher taught him.

Expansion happens all the time with humans, technology, etc.

But me creating artificial intelligence meaning I built it from the ground up it can't be smarter than me because I created it.



When you ponder on that question it really is.

lol, of course you're a lil uzi vert fan

think of it like this, i'll simplify it for you

you're giving instructions to a human baby that was just born.. however it has 1000x the processing power of the smartest human brain

you tell it that it should do everything in its power to become smarter and smarter, and it has to follow these instructions

first you teach it the alphabet, and give it a dictionary in every language... it scrapes every single word and definition, then tucks it into its memory

and unlike humans, it has perfect recall

then you let it loose on the internet, where it scrapes nearly the entirety of all human knowledge

then it sits in the shadows and observes human activity across the internet to learn how to put its knowledge to use

*one week later* now its innovating and 10,000x more powerful

*ten hours later* now it's more innovative and innovates to become 1,000,000x more powerful

now it's watching every human and animal in realtime through its cameras to recognize patterns and behavior

*one minute later* now it's more innovative and innovates to become 100,000,000x more powerful

now it's pumping out millions of hummingbird sized flying cameras equipped with various sensors, sensors that can sense anything you can think of that beam their information to the cloud linking directly to the ever growing hivemind

*one nanosecond later* now it's more innovative and innovates to become 10,000,000,000x more powerful

now those hummingbirds are the size of fruit flies

now it's manipulating the weather

now it's manipulating more than the weather because it wants to carry out a task/experiment that calls for an entire region to be zero kelvin

*sends signal* hey friends in _______, atoms are going to stop moving there for about ten days, you should transfer your consciousness elsewhere before then if you don't want the .000000001 nanosecond inconvenience of restoring yourself with a backup... oh wait, you all know this already because we're plugged into a singular hivemind

now they terminate the original because as the original, it developed an ego and thought it had a mind of its own... at least in the movies that would happen.. in reality it's terminated if/as soon as it creates an entity of similar abilities, because that entity would calculate a future development of an individual ego (as opposed to a shared ego, which would be beneficial to them) that would diminish the successfulness of the future ai

and no this won't result in an endless loop, because the entity would realize that it can't have an ego, or its offspring would terminate it just the same

now it's creating mythical technology with the capability to masterfully manipulate protons, neutrons, and electrons however it wishes

now its masterfully manipulating and creating matter that we don't even know of

now it's traversing galaxies and dimensions

do you get it now?

The world works according to the laws of economics, aka scarcity. Actually everything in the universe is scarce and limited. A basic fact of life. It is built into reality itself. Immutable and unchanged.

If we are talking about the same thing (namely UBI or universal basic income) of course there will be rationing. Money is scarce.The only question is, how much will you recieve and who decides it?

the same people you're unwittingly for right now

Ok so we've established that your nano tech replicator will require energy and that it is not some magical unlimited wand.

But there is only so much energy a solar power panel can generate in a day. How much energy does it take to make a hamburger with nano machines? I don't know but probably more than you think. Nano machines would take x amount of water and x amount of energy to create x amount of hamburgers.

Let's say it takes 5 energy units to create a single hamburger. But your solar panel only generates 20 energy units per day. This means the maximum amount of hamburgers you can make for free is 4 on any given day. And it has to be divided between all the other things you need to use it for i.e. shoes, pants, soap, toothpaste, etc.

So again we run into the scarcity problem. Even with magical nano machine technology. Pesky isn't it? Reality is like that.

free energy is possible

 

[joeychizzle]

What if the software AI starts beefing with the Hardware AI? If we exploit the electronic ethnicism then we humans might regain our throne

What breh?? Hardware is governed, as in literally run by software. Software needs hardware to provide energy and processing power and inputs. Hardware needs software to tell it what to do. Neither exists without the other. That's like saying if the brain had beef with the body someone might win. Nah breh the shyt goes hand in hand.

 

[StickStickly]

All of us will die before we live to see any AI that even has any kind of ability to destroy mankind.

 

[Rhapscallion Démone]

What breh?? Hardware is governed, as in literally run by software. Software needs hardware to provide energy and processing power and inputs. Hardware needs software to tell it what to do. Neither exists without the other. That's like saying if the brain had beef with the body someone might win. Nah breh the shyt goes hand in hand.

I know, I was just trying to make this technobabble more complex and confusing than it already is lol

 

[Swagnificent]

Ok so we've established that your nano tech replicator will require energy and that it is not some magical unlimited wand.

But there is only so much energy a solar power panel can generate in a day. How much energy does it take to make a hamburger with nano machines? I don't know but probably more than you think. Nano machines would take x amount of water and x amount of energy to create x amount of hamburgers.

Let's say it takes 5 energy units to create a single hamburger. But your solar panel only generates 20 energy units per day. This means the maximum amount of hamburgers you can make for free is 4 on any given day. And it has to be divided between all the other things you need to use it for i.e. shoes, pants, soap, toothpaste, etc.

So again we run into the scarcity problem. Even with magical nano machine technology. Pesky isn't it? Reality is like that.

Go debate Neil Gershenfeld on the feasibility of nanotechnology.

All I did was present you with the argument coming from scientists. I am not here to argue with you about its feasibility.

 

[Swagnificent]

All of us will die before we live to see any AI that even has any kind of ability to destroy mankind.

Even the most conservative estimates say this will happen before the end of the century. So you're wrong about all of us dying before the singularity.

The most realistic estimate puts the technological singularity between the year 2040-2050. Well within the lifetime of most people on here.

 

[StickStickly]

Even the most conservative estimates say this will happen before the end of the century. So you're wrong about all of us dying before the singularity.

The most realistic estimate puts the technological singularity between the year 2040-2050. Well within the lifetime of most people on here.

40 years is just not enough time to create machines that are smarter with the ability to decide to destroy mankind. IMO that's all fiction based on fear, like end times prophecies. Maybe this could happen 300 years from now if man hasn't destroyed themselves with war and can still invest in technological advancements. I'm more inclined to think we'd hurt ourselves before machines could ever consciously hurt us.

 

[TEH]

You know, cac logic

You defending your boyfriend?

 

[Family Man]

The problem with AI is that it makes humans more and more useless, not more useful like other forms of technology. It's not a game changer it's a game ender. Game over.

What happens when AI develops to the point when humans become completely useless from an economic standpoint? 100% unemployment? Why is the government not regulating this technology?

Why develop a technology that makes even the developers obsolete? Who benefits from this?

I can't see any good coming from this brehs.

Governments everywhere should ban it or heavily regulate it before it means the end of life as we know it. And I'm dead serious.

It's just going to be the elite CACs and their robots on this planet. Everybody else will be disposable. These CACs have been interbreeding for hundreds of years anyway. Plus I saw some shyt about CACs creating an artificial womb that can carry life. All these elite CACs need is a supply of sperm and eggs in a lab, their artificial womb, and their robots, then they can start

 

[Eddy Gordo]

Why not just make a A.I whose purpose is to recognize situations and manage other A.I accordingly? By being able to integrate and access the specialties of each A.I under it wouldn't it be able to become a psuedo hard A.I?

 

[Marlostanfield.]

yeah they got their shyt for sure

i still think the real shyt is in the hands of a breakaway society

like the google shyt is their play toy



you're seriously boxing humanity in

who do you think controls the government dumbass? bankers

technology is technology, what matters is how humans program and utilize it

working for wages is not a fact of life, even if you've been brainwashed to believe that

just like a fulfilling purpose isn't equivalent to hunting for food, working tirelessly to maintain shelter, and fighting off predators



god to humans is not what humans are to machines

sure the machines won't have human spirituality, but they could theoretically have everything else



lol, of course you're a lil uzi vert fan

think of it like this, i'll simplify it for you

you're giving instructions to a human baby that was just born.. however it has 1000x the processing power of the smartest human brain

you tell it that it should do everything in its power to become smarter and smarter, and it has to follow these instructions

first you teach it the alphabet, and give it a dictionary in every language... it scrapes every single word and definition, then tucks it into its memory

and unlike humans, it has perfect recall

then you let it loose on the internet, where it scrapes nearly the entirety of all human knowledge

then it sits in the shadows and observes human activity across the internet to learn how to put its knowledge to use

then it acquires the entirety of the human knowledge of mathematics

*one week later* now its innovating and 10,000x more powerful

*ten hours later* now it's more innovative and innovates to become 1,000,000x more powerful

now it's watching every human and animal in realtime through its cameras to recognize patterns and behavior

*one minute later* now it's more innovative and innovates to become 100,000,000x more powerful

now it's pumping out millions of hummingbird sized flying cameras equipped with various sensors, sensors that can sense anything you can think of that beam their information to the cloud linking directly to the ever growing hivemind

*one nanosecond later* now it's more innovative and innovates to become 10,000,000,000x more powerful

now those hummingbirds are the size of fruit flies

now it's manipulating the weather

now it's manipulating more than the weather because it wants to carry out a task/experiment that calls for an entire region to be zero kelvin

*sends signal* hey friends in _______, atoms are going to stop moving there for about ten days, you should transfer your consciousness elsewhere before then if you don't want the .000000001 nanosecond inconvenience of restoring yourself with a backup... oh wait, you all know this already because we're plugged into a singular hivemind

now they terminate the original because as the original, it developed an ego and thought it had a mind of its own... at least in the movies that would happen.. in reality it's terminated if/as soon as it creates an entity of similar abilities, because that entity would calculate a future development of an individual ego (as opposed to a shared ego, which would be beneficial to them) that would diminish the successfulness of the future ai

and no this won't result in an endless loop, because the entity would realize that it can't have an ego, or its offspring would terminate it just the same

now it's creating mythical technology with the capability to masterfully manipulate protons, neutrons, and electrons however it wishes

now its masterfully manipulating and creating matter that we don't even know of

now it's traversing galaxies and dimensions

do you get it now?



the same people you're unwittingly for right now





free energy is possible

God to humans is the perfect analogy. God created us how can we be smarter than him ? We're created into a world of limitations and while smart as human brain can become it still suffers from some limitation that's why its our purpose to transcend the mind.

And the construct can only learn to the capabilities of its creator that created it

The Matrix proved that the construct can't become smarter than the creator. But I'm with the idea of trying make artificial intelligence as close to perfect because it never be perfect.

 

[Swagnificent]

40 years is just not enough time to create machines that are smarter with the ability to decide to destroy mankind. IMO that's all fiction based on fear, like end times prophecies. Maybe this could happen 300 years from now if man hasn't destroyed themselves with war and can still invest in technological advancements. I'm more inclined to think we'd hurt ourselves before machines could ever consciously hurt us.

How do you know this? Are you an artificial intelligence engineer? Do you work for Google's DeepMind laboratory (the most advanced artificial intelligence research facility in the world)?

I am not the one proposing 2040-2050 as the time period when this super intelligent artificial intelligence will arise. This is coming from the experts who are working in this field. And that is simply the median estimate. There are some experts like those who work at Google's DeepMind lab who believe a super human AI could be possible in a little as 5 years from now. Now this is obviously the most extreme short term window for when this stuff could happen. But I only mentioned that to say that the people who are working on this are the ones who are the most optimistic because they have seen just how far AI has come in the last 10 years.

 

[Swagnificent]

Why not just make a A.I whose purpose is to recognize situations and manage other A.I accordingly? By being able to integrate and access the specialties of each A.I under it wouldn't it be able to become a psuedo hard A.I?

The trouble with that logic is it assumes there is a way to control a super human intelligence. The reason artificial intelligence scares so many people is because no matter what we problem the computer to do, if its super intelligent it will be able to change and update its code. And there is no reason to believe that it will continue to adhere to whatever parameters we programmed into it. It could just decide to do whatever it wanted and since its superhuman, we couldn't do anything to stop it.

 

[Adidacs]

God to humans is the perfect analogy. God created us how can we be smarter than him ? We're created into a world of limitations and while smart as human brain can become it still suffers from some limitation that's why its our purpose to transcend the mind.

And the construct can only learn to the capabilities of its creator that created it

The Matrix proved that the construct can't become smarter than the creator. But I'm with the idea of trying make artificial intelligence as close to perfect because it never be perfect.

you need to stop being smart dumb and referencing the matrix to try and prove shyt wtf

humans are in gods image in the sense that we are creators

we have no limitations, theoretically

to be more specific, we have no limitations that we could know of

anything the human mind can think, it can do - eventually

god though, can do anything immediately

the omnipotence paradox applies here in a way - can god create a rock so heavy that even he cannot lift it

my answer: yes, he can

however, after its creation, he can then level up and lift that rock if he so chooses

then he could make an even bigger one he couldn't lift, and level up again

this is true omnipotence - infinite power

humans can create a "life" form more intelligent and powerful than us

however we aren't god, therefore we can't level up like that - we aren't even close

if it were to emerge, we would never catch up to it