Yellow Vest Protests in France because President Macron hiked up the tax on fossil fuels

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Yeah I understand and acknowledge that. I just dont see how any of this should be interpreted as encouraging, for lefties across the West ( some are cheering this).

If Macron is to fail on the back of this movement, to me, it appears the most likely benefactors will be from the right rather than the left.

People on the left support the movement because Macron's politics are mostly right-wing politics, but people on the right support it too because they're trying to appear "close to the people". Support is widespread and crosses political lines from what I've seen. And tbh there's no saying who will really benefit from all of this, I agree that one mght think it would be the right almost by default, but up until now I haven't really seen anything to support that tbh
 

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It’s time for the brehs in the banlieue to get lit.
 

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Im worried the right will be the ones to rise out of the ashes. I dont care what the polls say when by default the right are always unscrupulous cheaters.
 

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I feel you on the substance but it's not just that here. As @mbewane said, it's the last of a series of misteps from Macron but still the issue at heart is not just tax raising. When the whole society is based around cars, taxing the transportation mean of the middle class is seen as another unfair measure that keeps piling up. Plus, as a Frenchie that takes public transportation every day, there's no way it can support further growth as the infrastructure is clearly lacking in maintenance.

We need to act regarding climate change that's a fact indeed but this needs to be top down, not bottom up. If you put the burden of change on the middle class, there's only so much they can bear without breaking above all as the wealthy do not share the same amount of effort (relatively speaking). If it was more evened out, it would more understood by the citizens I think. Also, Macron is a good "technician" and knows his dossiers but lacks proper empathy as a president and even though he's "right" regarding the issue at play, the citizens can't be treated as pawns on a chessboard even if it's for the greater good.

All in all, the issue is also about our way of lives. It's obvious our urban ways are the source and if you look at Paris, there's only so much you can do about it. The Périphérique is full of cars every commute hours, the suburban train lines are almost at max capacity and even knowing this, the population is still growing with more people going to work and living there.

Theory works well but practically the level of changes required to build a greener society before it's too late would basically mean wiping out an entire generation to rebuild. I'd say, let's have another WW and after it, a green Marshall Plan :trollbron:

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I feel you on the substance but it's not just that here. As @mbewane said, it's the last of a series of misteps from Macron but still the issue at heart is not just tax raising. When the whole society is based around cars, taxing the transportation mean of the middle class is seen as another unfair measure that keeps piling up. Plus, as a Frenchie that takes public transportation every day, there's no way it can support further growth as the infrastructure is clearly lacking in maintenance.

We need to act regarding climate change that's a fact indeed but this needs to be top down, not bottom up. If you put the burden of change on the middle class, there's only so much they can bear without breaking above all as the wealthy do not share the same amount of effort (relatively speaking). If it was more evened out, it would more understood by the citizens I think. Also, Macron is a good "technician" and knows his dossiers but lacks proper empathy as a president and even though he's "right" regarding the issue at play, the citizens can't be treated as pawns on a chessboard even if it's for the greater good.

All in all, the issue is also about our way of lives. It's obvious our urban ways are the source and if you look at Paris, there's only so much you can do about it. The Périphérique is full of cars every commute hours, the suburban train lines are almost at max capacity and even knowing this, the population is still growing with more people going to work and living there.

Theory works well but practically the level of changes required to build a greener society before it's too late would basically mean wiping out an entire generation to rebuild. I'd say, let's have another WW and after it, a green Marshall Plan :trollbron:


you'll be getting that...:mjpls:







won't be no marhsall plan for the west after tho:sas2:
 

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@Liu Kang @mbewane wake up and update us :damn:

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TBH I didn't follow today's demonstations much because of a nasty hangover :mjlit::mjlol:

But in general there was slightly less chaos than last week from what I understand, but more widespread in different areas of Paris and in other cities in France. Sounds like there's still clashes at the moment (almost 11PM). Police worked differently this time, they were arresting lots of people "preventively" early in the morning, supposedly because they were carrying stuff that could be used as weapons. Also were more aggressive in going after Gilets Jaunes as opposed to "just" protecting specific areas. Much more police forces were present too, including armored vehicles.



1385 arrests, 135 injured
 
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