Yellow Vest Protests in France because President Macron hiked up the tax on fossil fuels

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Macron's approach of taxing the rich less, taxing the middle and poors of France more, and being extremely dismissive of any concerns with comments like "Cross the road to get a job" are driving forces behind the protests, and they're extremely bipartisan as far as ideology goes; You can find pictures of right-libertarians, fascists, communists and anarchists wearing yellow vests on the streets of Paris to protest the neoliberal policies of Macron's government.



The demands of a supposed 30k member delegation of this Yellow Vest movement, going to post a translation of it I saw floating around somewhere as well.

25 propositions to overcome the crisis

Since politicians pretend not to understand the claims of the Yellow Vests. Since the claims of some are far from sufficient to ensure a serious change and perennial change, void a non-exhaustive list but that has a guarantee of results in the long term. We are not naive, the plutocrats in power will do everything to prevent it, but it is nevertheless essential to enforce these few proposals.

I- ECONOMY/LABOR

1. GENERAL CONDITIONS of taxation. Enclose in the constitution the impossibility for the state to collect more than 25% of the wealth of citizens.

2. IMMEDIATE INCREASE of SMIC, pensions and the social minimum by 40%.

3. MASSIVE HIRING of civil servatns to restore the quality of public services before the RGPP: stations, hospitals, schools, posts…

4. HOUSING: plan construiction of 5 million HLM [rent-controlled housing] to lower the rents, the land and revitalize the economy by through hiring. Severely punish the prefects and mayors who leave homeless people sleeping outside.

5. BANKS: make them smaller in order to protect themselves from crises, break monopolies, separate the speculative deposit and prohibit public bailout.

6. CANCEL DEBT: this is not necessary, it has already been reimbursed several times.

II- POLITICS

7. CONSTITUTION: Rewrite a Constitution by the people and for the interests of the sovereign people. Establishment of referendums of popular initiative. Establish referendums of popular initiatives.

8. PROHIBITION OF LOBBYS and other networks of influence. Permanent exclusion from the political life for anyone elected with a judicial record, put an end to the cumulation of the mandates.

9. FREXIT: exit from the EU in order to regain our political ,monetary and economic sovereignty (respect of the referendum of 2005), regain our right to mint money coming out of article 123 ofd the Lisbon Treaty (50 billion euro savings per yer).

11. IMMEDIATE END TO PRIVATIZATION and recuperation of public property: motorways, airports, car parks, SNCF… [state railways]

12. SPEED RADARS AND VIDEO VERBALIZATION: withdrawal of useless radars and verbalization video which is nothing but a disguised tax.

13. NATIONAL EDUCATION: to exclude all ideology from this ministry and to stop destructive educational techniques (global method…)

14. JUSTICE: quadruple its budget and limit in law the length of proceedings. Simplify and make justice entirely free and accessible for all.

15. MEDIA: break monopolies and media-political cronyism. Make the media accessible to citizens and guarantee the plurality of opinion. Put an end to the propaganda of the editocrats. Withdraw the public subsidy of the media (2 billion per year) as well as the tax loopholes of the journalists.

16. GUARANTEE the freedom of the citizens and inscribe in the Constitution the prohibition for the State to interfere in the teaching, the education, health, family…

III- HEALTH/ECOLOGY

17. OBSOLESCENCE PROGRAM: to extend manufacturer guarantees to 10 years minimum ensuring the presence of spare parts.

18. PLASTICS: prohibit in the very short term the commercialization of plastic bottles, glasses and other polluting packaging.

19. PHARMACEUTICAL LABORATORIES: to weaken their influence, general states of health and hospitals.

20. AGRICULTURE: ban on GMOs, carcinogenic pesticides, endocrine disruptors, monoculture…

21. REINDUSTRIALIZATION of France in order to eliminate imports and thus pollution.

IV- GEOPOLITICS

22. NATO: immediate exit from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and prohibition to engage the French army in wars of aggression.

23. FRANCFRICA: Stop the looting and the political and military interference. Give the money from dictators and ill-gotten goods to the African people. Immediately repatriate all French soldiers. End the CFA franc system that keeps Africa in poverty. Create equal status with African states.

24. IMMIGRATION: Prevent migratory flows that can not be accommodated or integrated given the deep civilizational crisis we are experiencing.

25. FOREIGN POLICY: scrupulous respect for international law and signed commitments.

These 25 proposals will immediately change the daily life of the French. The simple articles 9 and 10 of this charter can bring up to 130 billion euros per year to the public treasury. France is a rich country, its people valiant and hardworking, it does not have to live in misery.

This list seems to confirm what I suspected earlier, that this protest will naturally favour the right.

(also these demands seem to have a whiff of a conspiratorial bend that is popular on both the far left and right)
 

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25 propositions to overcome the crisis

Since politicians pretend not to understand the claims of the Yellow Vests. Since the claims of some are far from sufficient to ensure a serious change and perennial change, void a non-exhaustive list but that has a guarantee of results in the long term. We are not naive, the plutocrats in power will do everything to prevent it, but it is nevertheless essential to enforce these few proposals.

I- ECONOMY/LABOR

1. GENERAL CONDITIONS of taxation. Enclose in the constitution the impossibility for the state to collect more than 25% of the wealth of citizens.

2. IMMEDIATE INCREASE of SMIC, pensions and the social minimum by 40%.

3. MASSIVE HIRING of civil servatns to restore the quality of public services before the RGPP: stations, hospitals, schools, posts…

4. HOUSING: plan construiction of 5 million HLM [rent-controlled housing] to lower the rents, the land and revitalize the economy by through hiring. Severely punish the prefects and mayors who leave homeless people sleeping outside.

5. BANKS: make them smaller in order to protect themselves from crises, break monopolies, separate the speculative deposit and prohibit public bailout.

6. CANCEL DEBT: this is not necessary, it has already been reimbursed several times.

II- POLITICS

7. CONSTITUTION: Rewrite a Constitution by the people and for the interests of the sovereign people. Establishment of referendums of popular initiative. Establish referendums of popular initiatives.

8. PROHIBITION OF LOBBYS and other networks of influence. Permanent exclusion from the political life for anyone elected with a judicial record, put an end to the cumulation of the mandates.

9. FREXIT: exit from the EU in order to regain our political ,monetary and economic sovereignty (respect of the referendum of 2005), regain our right to mint money coming out of article 123 ofd the Lisbon Treaty (50 billion euro savings per yer).

11. IMMEDIATE END TO PRIVATIZATION and recuperation of public property: motorways, airports, car parks, SNCF… [state railways]

12. SPEED RADARS AND VIDEO VERBALIZATION: withdrawal of useless radars and verbalization video which is nothing but a disguised tax.

13. NATIONAL EDUCATION: to exclude all ideology from this ministry and to stop destructive educational techniques (global method…)

14. JUSTICE: quadruple its budget and limit in law the length of proceedings. Simplify and make justice entirely free and accessible for all.

15. MEDIA: break monopolies and media-political cronyism. Make the media accessible to citizens and guarantee the plurality of opinion. Put an end to the propaganda of the editocrats. Withdraw the public subsidy of the media (2 billion per year) as well as the tax loopholes of the journalists.

16. GUARANTEE the freedom of the citizens and inscribe in the Constitution the prohibition for the State to interfere in the teaching, the education, health, family…

III- HEALTH/ECOLOGY

17. OBSOLESCENCE PROGRAM: to extend manufacturer guarantees to 10 years minimum ensuring the presence of spare parts.

18. PLASTICS: prohibit in the very short term the commercialization of plastic bottles, glasses and other polluting packaging.

19. PHARMACEUTICAL LABORATORIES: to weaken their influence, general states of health and hospitals.

20. AGRICULTURE: ban on GMOs, carcinogenic pesticides, endocrine disruptors, monoculture…

21. REINDUSTRIALIZATION of France in order to eliminate imports and thus pollution.

IV- GEOPOLITICS

22. NATO: immediate exit from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and prohibition to engage the French army in wars of aggression.

23. FRANCFRICA: Stop the looting and the political and military interference. Give the money from dictators and ill-gotten goods to the African people. Immediately repatriate all French soldiers. End the CFA franc system that keeps Africa in poverty. Create equal status with African states.

24. IMMIGRATION: Prevent migratory flows that can not be accommodated or integrated given the deep civilizational crisis we are experiencing.

25. FOREIGN POLICY: scrupulous respect for international law and signed commitments.

These 25 proposals will immediately change the daily life of the French. The simple articles 9 and 10 of this charter can bring up to 130 billion euros per year to the public treasury. France is a rich country, its people valiant and hardworking, it does not have to live in misery.
While some of those seem interesting at least it basically demands the French government to take less income and spend an insane amount more:patrice: a Frexit would break the EU tho, it would be crazy. It's not all that logical either because while Germany is the shot caller for the Union now, they share that spot with France more often than not
 

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While some of those seem interesting at least it basically demands the French government to take less income and spend an insane amount more:patrice: a Frexit would break the EU tho, it would be crazy. It's not all that logical either because while Germany is the shot caller for the Union now, they share that spot with France more often than not
The thing with the Yellow Vests is that they're not a partisan movement, so their demands are also all over the place. It's a mix of that and also basic negotiation tactics, demand the world when really you're fine with getting some half-baked version of many of these things at best. It's also something to consider that perhaps neoliberalism isn't the way to go if supposedly right-wing populist demands can get such a large drive behind them simply by demanding better conditions for workers :mjgrin:

It's also not so much demanding that the government takes less and spends more, but that the government should tax corporations appropriately and enact green policies from the upper echelons instead of just regular workers and the middle class, and spend money going overseas on French infrastructure and public sector instead. 100 companies are responsible for 70% of carbon emissions in the world, yet the regular workers must pay more for fuel to combat climate change is basically the situation in their eyes, while the rich gets tax cuts to taxes they're already evading (Panama Papers).

Frexit is never happening, and neither are most if not all demands on that list. I have no idea how this will get dealt with, clearly pushing back the fuel tax hike by 6 months hasn't worked.
 

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Not feeling this list at all. Reeks of the far right.
the far right?
most of the things on that list wouldn't even be centre right ideas.

especially...

2. IMMEDIATE INCREASE of SMIC, pensions and the social minimum by 40%.

3. MASSIVE HIRING of civil servatns to restore the quality of public services before the RGPP: stations, hospitals, schools, posts…

4. HOUSING: plan construiction of 5 million HLM [rent-controlled housing] to lower the rents, the land and revitalize the economy by through hiring. Severely punish the prefects and mayors who leave homeless people sleeping outside.

11. IMMEDIATE END TO PRIVATIZATION and recuperation of public property: motorways, airports, car parks, SNCF… [state railways]

14. JUSTICE: quadruple its budget and limit in law the length of proceedings. Simplify and make justice entirely free and accessible for all.

18. PLASTICS: prohibit in the very short term the commercialization of plastic bottles, glasses and other polluting packaging.

19. PHARMACEUTICAL LABORATORIES: to weaken their influence, general states of health and hospitals.

20. AGRICULTURE: ban on GMOs, carcinogenic pesticides, endocrine disruptors, monoculture

23. FRANCFRICA: Stop the looting and the political and military interference. Give the money from dictators and ill-gotten goods to the African people. Immediately repatriate all French soldiers. End the CFA franc system that keeps Africa in poverty. Create equal status with African states.

24. IMMIGRATION: Prevent migratory flows that can not be accommodated or integrated given the deep civilizational crisis we are experiencing.
 

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the far right?
most of the things on that list wouldn't even be centre right ideas.

especially...

2. IMMEDIATE INCREASE of SMIC, pensions and the social minimum by 40%.

3. MASSIVE HIRING of civil servatns to restore the quality of public services before the RGPP: stations, hospitals, schools, posts…

4. HOUSING: plan construiction of 5 million HLM [rent-controlled housing] to lower the rents, the land and revitalize the economy by through hiring. Severely punish the prefects and mayors who leave homeless people sleeping outside.

11. IMMEDIATE END TO PRIVATIZATION and recuperation of public property: motorways, airports, car parks, SNCF… [state railways]

14. JUSTICE: quadruple its budget and limit in law the length of proceedings. Simplify and make justice entirely free and accessible for all.

18. PLASTICS: prohibit in the very short term the commercialization of plastic bottles, glasses and other polluting packaging.

19. PHARMACEUTICAL LABORATORIES: to weaken their influence, general states of health and hospitals.

20. AGRICULTURE: ban on GMOs, carcinogenic pesticides, endocrine disruptors, monoculture

23. FRANCFRICA: Stop the looting and the political and military interference. Give the money from dictators and ill-gotten goods to the African people. Immediately repatriate all French soldiers. End the CFA franc system that keeps Africa in poverty. Create equal status with African states.

24. IMMIGRATION: Prevent migratory flows that can not be accommodated or integrated given the deep civilizational crisis we are experiencing.
:heh: Yeah I really don't know what list they're reading. This isn't even centre-left if we're being real.
 

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:heh: Yeah I really don't know what list they're reading. This isn't even centre-left if we're being real.
for real.

TBH, that list looks like a pretty well rounded list of "demands", that would benefit most ppl.

I don't see why many would be against it, outside of their blind partisanship and/or their own personal biases.
 

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I am all for the end of the CFA because it benefits France not the West African countries. When it comes to West Africa Macron is a wannabe Napoleon trying to restore French colonial glory. Sending troops in Mali and the Sahel while in Marseille and Paris gangs there chase the police out the suburbs with Aks and shotguns. If you can't even stabilize your domestic front what makes you think you can succeed overseas?:mjlol: Typical French incompetence.

With the protest, they have legitimate concerns but it looks like the right wing has taken advantage of it. The list has a few things I agree with but let us be real it looks like right-wing white supremacist are using chaos as a ladder like they historically always have done.
 

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I am all for the end of the CFA because it benefits France not the West African countries. When it comes to West Africa Macron is a wannabe Napoleon trying to restore French colonial glory. Sending troops in Mali and the Sahel while in Marseille and Paris gangs there chase the police out the suburbs with Aks and shotguns. If you can't even stabilize your domestic front what makes you think you can succeed overseas?:mjlol: Typical French incompetence.

With the protest, they have legitimate concerns but it looks like the right wing has taken advantage of it. The list has a few things I agree with but let us be real it looks like right-wing white supremacist are using chaos as a ladder like they historically always have done.
this is the type of BS rhetoric that makes it hard for any real change to happen.

everyone is so polarized that they believe that everything is a partisan issue.
"right-wing white supremacists"

bruh, that list is fighting AGAINST those ppl.


Ppl are more fluid and flexible than just believing everyone is left or right. the overwhelmingly large majority of ppl have both left AND right views.

this list is a perfect example of how ppl are tired of being fukked over by the government and their games, and want real action...for real ppl.
 

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I am all for the end of the CFA because it benefits France not the West African countries. When it comes to West Africa Macron is a wannabe Napoleon trying to restore French colonial glory. Sending troops in Mali and the Sahel while in Marseille and Paris gangs there chase the police out the suburbs with Aks and shotguns. If you can't even stabilize your domestic front what makes you think you can succeed overseas?:mjlol: Typical French incompetence.

With the protest, they have legitimate concerns but it looks like the right wing has taken advantage of it. The list has a few things I agree with but let us be real it looks like right-wing white supremacist are using chaos as a ladder like they historically always have done.
The Mali intervention long predates Macron.

The first intervention that stopped the AQIM/Tuareg advance happened under Hollande, and the current operaiton also started under Hollande. Both were certainly at the behest of the Malian Government. I dont buy the argument that either intervention is about uranium or whatever. Yes France wants to maintain global influence, but its military operations in Mali are not about colonization.

This reminds me of the older debate about the French/UN intervention in CIV, where people were claiming the deposition of Gbagbo meant CIV was opting for colonization. For all intents and purposes, things are much better there since.
 

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the far right?
most of the things on that list wouldn't even be centre right ideas.

especially...

2. IMMEDIATE INCREASE of SMIC, pensions and the social minimum by 40%.

3. MASSIVE HIRING of civil servatns to restore the quality of public services before the RGPP: stations, hospitals, schools, posts…

4. HOUSING: plan construiction of 5 million HLM [rent-controlled housing] to lower the rents, the land and revitalize the economy by through hiring. Severely punish the prefects and mayors who leave homeless people sleeping outside.

11. IMMEDIATE END TO PRIVATIZATION and recuperation of public property: motorways, airports, car parks, SNCF… [state railways]

14. JUSTICE: quadruple its budget and limit in law the length of proceedings. Simplify and make justice entirely free and accessible for all.

18. PLASTICS: prohibit in the very short term the commercialization of plastic bottles, glasses and other polluting packaging.

19. PHARMACEUTICAL LABORATORIES: to weaken their influence, general states of health and hospitals.

20. AGRICULTURE: ban on GMOs, carcinogenic pesticides, endocrine disruptors, monoculture

23. FRANCFRICA: Stop the looting and the political and military interference. Give the money from dictators and ill-gotten goods to the African people. Immediately repatriate all French soldiers. End the CFA franc system that keeps Africa in poverty. Create equal status with African states.

24. IMMIGRATION: Prevent migratory flows that can not be accommodated or integrated given the deep civilizational crisis we are experiencing.

The far-right in Europe accomodates plenty of views that would considering left-wing in the States when it comes to economics. Very few far-right parties in Europe campaign to shrink the state.

For the most part the agenda of the European far-right is mostly relegated to the social sphere. Number 24 clearly underlines far-right influence.
 

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The far-right in Europe accomodates plenty of views that would considering left-wing in the States when it comes to economics. Very few far-right parties in Europe campaign to shrink the state.

For the most part the agenda of the European far-right is mostly relegated to the social sphere. Number 24 clearly underlines far-right influence.
immigration is becoming a bigger issue for most ppl than just the far-right.

all this talk about the far right and far left is actually really overblown and mainly exaggerated by the MSM.

the average person shares most of those sentiments. Just placing everything in a "far-right" box is just being extremely lazy.
 
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