#YesAllWomen and White Male Aggression

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That's absurd, and it places blame on the victim and not on the suspect. 9/10 there wasn't anything some one "could have done to prevent the situation". That's a silly way of thinking. We know the number or sexual assaults are higher when it involves people who know eachother. But of the people who are assaulted by strangers why in the actual hell would you even ask that question. No one "asks" to be raped, bro. To even ask the question insinuates that the victim "shouldn't have been in that area" before saying "that rapist needs to be stopped".

And the only other time that question is asked is when white folks come to the hood or white women are in rough areas. No one asks black/brown women "oh what were you doing in the hood because you were attacked there..."

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Thats absorb to you and those that think that way. Its not to me. If you leave your car/house door open people still shouldn't steal from you but they do. I like to see if people take every precaution but in this bytchmade society nobody can even ask those questions without people on some blaming the victim bullshyt. Questions are always asked when shyt happens to get a better understanding but no its not cool in this situation please. Saying somebody don't need to rape or rob is already known so of course you don't have to say it that's why you look at ways you possibly could have avoided the situation. It doesn't mean you deserve it and I never said or implied you do. People do ask if you don't live there what you were doing in a certain area fukk you been at people don't ask that question? Now if you live there it was unfortunately a bad timing thing.
 

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is that a problem tho?
men always encourage other men to talk to as many women until they find a taker. Those other women can construe those interactions as harassment. is it a legitimate gripe? I dont know.
 

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Thats absorb to you and those that think that way. Its not to me. If you leave your car/house door open people still shouldn't steal from you but they do. I like to see if people take every precaution but in this bytchmade society nobody can even ask those questions without people on some blaming the victim bullshyt. Questions are always asked when shyt happens to get a better understanding but no its not cool in this situation please. Saying somebody don't need to rape or rob is already known so of course you don't have to say it that's why you look at ways you possibly could have avoided the situation. It doesn't mean you deserve it and I never said or implied you do. People do ask if you don't live there what you were doing in a certain area fukk you been at people don't ask that question? Now if you live there it was unfortunately a bad timing thing.


So in other words what you are saying is a woman being raped is a matter of probability. And changing the culture has nothing to do with it?
 

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is that a problem tho?

men always encourage other men to talk to as many women until they find a taker. Those other women can construe those interactions as harassment. is it a legitimate gripe? I dont know.

And now harassment is all in women's heads?....i really want you all to think about what you are saying.
 

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So in other words what you are saying is a woman being raped is a matter of probability. And changing the culture has nothing to do with it?
In situations where the chick is out and about(not in cases where they know the person) yes. This shyt ain't new and unfortunately isn't stopping no time soon so we have to severely punish those that do it to maybe dissuade some from doing it. Wholesale just like robberies if people going to do it they going to do andof you don't agree that's cool but both acts been here before we were on earth and will be here after we leave earth period.
 

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I don't know about 100% safer but she probably would feel safer. It all goes back to a number of things that society conditions people to believe, be it the idea that only strange men rape, that women are non-threatening, etc. I think more often than not it's gonna be the case that women are gonna feel safer around other women.


Yea alot of it does have to with social conditioning, it's really annoying though because while bringing attention and awareness to this type of situation is great, in hindsight it's almost like alot of women are going to be going out of their way to fear/discriminate against men all the time now or atleast the ones who know of the #yesallwomen hashtag.

Saying things like "all men dont harass women but all women have been harrased by men, food for thought" while all women get harrased by women as well has undertones of a sexist train of thought.
 

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I don't know if "Sexual Aggression" is afforded to white men.
What I do know is that the Elliot Rodgers situation is more complex
than the guy simply not receiving sex from women.
He was not simply a misogynist, he was clearly a sociopath.
Someone who hated any and everyone, his desire to murder
didn't just stop at women, I mean the guy even fantasized about
killing his own little brother. He was clearly "off" and any attempt
to associate his emotions with that of the normal male populace
white or otherwise is a bit disingenuous.



I think the tweet above is a perfect example of this.
Just reading it, it's ridiculous :ld:
:lupe: Hire a handyman yet fear he'll rape you ? :pachaha:


Hell, handyman prolly thinking what I do if the customer has a gun? :lupe:

:shaq:
 

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The sentiment might come across as ridiculous but a lot of times it comes from an understandable place. She's alone with a man she doesn't know, if she's been conditioned as most women in this society have, her mind might go to that place, to the thought that something might happen. To me then the conversation isn't about how ridiculous it sounds, it's about why does a woman (or women) immediately jump to that scenario.
I can understand fear of rape, what I can't understand is paranoia becoming someones norm.

You can find several twitter posts using the "YesAllWomen" hash tag which lack
any specificity and instead go for the utterly huge logical leap that is "Male contact
of any sort can result in rape and/or violent death".
It's the goofy twitter/tumblr/youtube feminist rhetoric I've mentioned before.
The way some speak, it's as if they're afraid they'll be raped in the middle of
a mcdonald's after sheepishly asking for a double cheeseburger from the dollar menu.

As for the woman in your post, I would say this hypothetical woman
hasn't been conditioned by society at large but where ever she happens
to lean ideologically, especially if she's a feminist, because rape as well as
rape culture pops up commonly in those circles.

There are clearly women who make no distinction between "Good" or
"Bad" men and any attempt to challenge these ideas, immediately gets you
shut down or even labeled as some sort of rapist/misogyny enabler or apologist.
Examples below :







The link below is a perfect example of what I mean :
A Gentlemen’s Guide To Rape Culture — Medium

This sort of rhetoric has creeped it's way into the general feminist populace.
Where violent sexual assault is casually linked to "turning guys down"
and no one bats an eyelash at how patently absurd it is.

So what option's does a woman who lives alone have?
I won't even front, not sure what this has to do with my post.

There are some things people just don't have the time to learn on their own. What you are saying is that women need to be 100% trusting of every man ever, when the greater part of western culture shows that attacks in this very scenario can and have happened? :mindblown:
No, that isn't even remotely close to what I'm saying,in fact that's a strawman.
What I'm saying is immediately assuming a man is malicious simply by virtue
of being born a man is dumb and highlights some of the lunacy that's rampant
in certain circles of the internet.

People tell you to be careful and mind your surroundings when you go to the hood. You NEVER think that the problem is with you its with the hood. Its like that for most women only society has conditioned us to say the issue is with the woman first.
Well I never said that :ld:
And in fact, I agree that victim blaming isn't right.
I always hated the "what were you wearing/doing?" argument. As a man raised by a mother and has sisters that particular argument disgusts me.
Well okay then, I'm just not sure what that has to do with my post. :yeshrug:
I in no way implied that victims of rape are deserving of whatever has happened
to them.
 

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@Insensitive better safe than sorry. If the chick assumed the dude was a rapist she would have taken action. She was just planning ahead for in case he did turn out to be one. U cant blame women for being defensive when they are vulnerable and then acknowledge the realities of shyt like man on woman sexual assault.
 

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I can understand fear of rape, what I can't understand is paranoia becoming someones norm.

You can find several twitter posts using the "YesAllWomen" hash tag which lack
any specificity and instead go for the utterly huge logical leap that is "Male contact
of any sort can result in rape and/or violent death".
It's the goofy twitter/tumblr/youtube feminist rhetoric I've mentioned before.
The way some speak, it's as if they're afraid they'll be raped in the middle of
a mcdonald's after sheepishly asking for a double cheeseburger from the dollar menu.

As for the woman in your post, I would say this hypothetical woman
hasn't been conditioned by society at large but where ever she happens
to lean ideologically, especially if she's a feminist, because rape as well as
rape culture pops up commonly in those circles.

Nah I think society at large definitely conditions women to react a certain way in regards to sexual assault. One of the biggest myths that's been built up is this idea that rape only happens in a dark alley done by some man you don't know. It's false, of course, since in most cases the rapist is someone the person knows. Stuff like the almost paranoid attitude towards rape is to me just a logical result of the way people in general are conditioned. America is a very paranoid society. We just aren't willing to admit it's paranoia. However, when the topic is sexual assault that unwillingness goes away pretty quickly.

Additionally I can't just blame it on women's attitudes towards sexual assault because men's attitudes also play into this. It's this intersubjective sort of beliefs that eventually dehumanizes everyone.
 

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I can understand fear of rape, what I can't understand is paranoia becoming someones norm.




No, that isn't even remotely close to what I'm saying,in fact that's a strawman.
What I'm saying is immediately assuming a man is malicious simply by virtue
of being born a man is dumb and highlights some of the lunacy that's rampant
in certain circles of the internet.



Well okay then, I'm just not sure what that has to do with my post. :yeshrug:
I in no way implied that victims of rape are deserving of whatever has happened
to them.

I can agree with the bolded, sure. But history and numbers show that many men shouldn't be afforded the benefit of the doubt. But in the same breath there should be SOME sort of credit for the VAST majority of men who aren't rapists/gropers/flashers ect.

The last part didn't it was just my two Lincolns.
 

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so Elliott rodgers killed more men than women right????

on top of that you took people losing loved ones to turn it into something about how some guy was eye-fukking you at a bar once......

I get it that this male dominated society might somehow lead to sexual violence against women but it's kind of disgusting that this is the platform you are going to use.

:mjlol: @ this textbook example of the type of person that "feminists" are railing against

1. Not knowing the facts of a story

2. Marginalizing and downplaying the message/topic
 
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