"You can't get promoted in your Career if you are not Married"

[The Devil's Advocate]

i didn't quote that part because their theory was basically already posted in the abstract you highlighted lol. i was just adding the part YOU left out lol. and the reason why i did that was because you seemed to be trying to negate a poster who insinuated that people who are married are better financially... which is what the part i posted seems to have actually backed up because it deemed them as "higher-skilled" which made them more selectable for not only marriage and but better wages. but my main point was most of the theories are not the exact cause and effect that people itt are saying it is (for example the theory in one of the studies posted about married people being able to be more selective in searching for better wages because they have a partner to back them up financially (which also backs up what the poster was saying about married people being better off financially).. which has nothing to do with "gotta play the game to get a more money" )

But the "part" you got was from a 1987 study, not this one... And it's not even accepted as true, which is why this study was out to debunk that

So it's weird to use that one sentence seeing how the rest of it was saying it wasn't true.. Why didn't you go to that study and use their data? And it's even more weird because the poster you talking about threw out another study from 2015 cause "it was old" but you're bringing up one from 1987 and he dapped it

I'm the only person in here who's posted ANY studies. So I never said anything about gotta play the game. I actually said it was because of the points from the study and these dudes was like nah the data doesn't show that. So I showed them what they was wrong about

 

[Prodyson]

Which is different from business positions, which is going to play out differently for men and women in regards to being single or married.

I agree. I also think the level of the position makes a difference. I think it matters very little for positions below senior management and executive level positions.

So again, I think the statement is false. Not because marriage has no effect, but because it varies and there are too many exceptions and caveats to make this a “rule.”

It depends on the age (being married matters less for older women with non school aged kids), the gender, the job, the job level and the industry. For example, I’m a consultant. I don’t think it matters whether or not someone is married. But once you get to the Senior Director level, it probably does affect promotions, at least to some degree

 

[Shadow King]

I agree. I also think the level of the position makes a difference. I think it matters very little for positions below senior management and executive level positions.

So again, I think the statement is false. Not because marriage has no effect, but because it varies and there are too many exceptions and caveats to make this a “rule.”

It depends on the age (being married matters less for older women with non school aged kids), the gender, the job, the job level and the industry. For example, I’m a consultant. I don’t think it matters whether or not someone is married. But once you get to the Senior Director level, it probably does affect promotions, at least to some degree

Nobody said it was a "rule" though, because we know that a stipulation like this is unspoken and due to literal law must remain that way.

The bolded is what matters. Nobody is saying "marry or be stuck as a paper pusher/grunt/other entry level insult", but that there is a ceiling.

 

[The ADD]

Chris Womack To Become CEO of Southern Company, Join Ranks of Blacks Leading Largest Publicly Traded Companies

Womack, 64, will operate an energy powerhouse that produced $22.4 billion in revenue in 2021 and serves about 9 million customers through its subsidiaries.

www.blackenterprise.com

Nobody said it was a "rule" though, because we know that a stipulation like this is unspoken and due to literal law must remain that way.

The bolded is what matters. Nobody is saying "marry or be stuck as a paper pusher/grunt/other entry level insult", but that there is a ceiling.

Not married…….

 

[Shadow King]

Chris Womack To Become CEO of Southern Company, Join Ranks of Blacks Leading Largest Publicly Traded Companies

Womack, 64, will operate an energy powerhouse that produced $22.4 billion in revenue in 2021 and serves about 9 million customers through its subsidiaries.

www.blackenterprise.com

Not married…….

1 person, and at 65 it's unlikely he's never ever been married.

Show me more.

 

[Prodyson]

Nobody said it was a "rule" though, because we know that a stipulation like this is unspoken and due to literal law must remain that way.

The bolded is what matters. Nobody is saying "marry or be stuck as a paper pusher/grunt/other entry level insult", but that there is a ceiling.

I put “rule” in quotations for a reason. The point is that “You can’t get a promoted in your career if you’re not married” is not a statement that I believe to be true, in general. There are situations where it can be true and others when it has no affect. I’m pretty sure that was the question posed at the beginning. I’m addressing the original question posed. I’m not really following the other discussions being had in here.

 

[bourgeoisie tall freak]

But the "part" you got was from a 1987 study, not this one... And it's not even accepted as true, which is why this study was out to debunk that

So it's weird to use that one sentence seeing how the rest of it was saying it wasn't true.. Why didn't you go to that study and use their data? And it's even more weird because the poster you talking about threw out another study from 2015 cause "it was old" but you're bringing up one from 1987 and he dapped it

I'm the only person in here who's posted ANY studies. So I never said anything about gotta play the game. I actually said it was because of the points from the study and these dudes was like nah the data doesn't show that. So I showed them what they was wrong about

welp... marriage and divorce rates to this day indicate that education level is a factor.... but you can believe what ever theory you want, these all are just theories after all lol. and, i can address multiple points in a post even if it's not related to something YOU said. it was a point i wanted to make

 

[The ADD]

1 person, and at 65 it's unlikely he's never ever been married.

Show me more.

You just said there was a ceiling then when presented with someone that proves you wrong you move the goal post and ask for more examples of how you are wrong.

Unserious

 

[Shadow King]

You just said there was a ceiling then when presented with someone that proves you wrong you move the goal post and ask for more examples of how you are wrong.

Unserious

You presented me with 1 exception without context and you think that disproves what goes on in hundreds and thousands of companies.

I know who's unserious in the conversation.

I put “rule” in quotations for a reason. The point is that “You can’t get a promoted in your career if you’re not married” is not a statement that I believe to be true, in general. There are situations where it can be true and others when it has no affect. I’m pretty sure that was the question posed at the beginning. I’m addressing the original question posed. I’m not really following the other discussions being had in here.

You're not following the "other discussions" but you jumped in to quote me saying it's more "rule" than not even if unspoken. So I think you are now following it.

More often than not, in this conservative culture we're in, they want the married man. 1 65 year old man who's likely been married before doesn't shatter this unwritten practice.

 

[The ADD]

You presented me with 1 exception without context and you think that disproves what goes on in hundreds and thousands of companies.

I know who's unserious in the conversation.


You're not following the "other discussions" but you jumped in to quote me saying it's more "rule" than not even if unspoken. So I think you are now following it.

More often than not, in this conservative culture we're in, they want the married man. 1 65 year old man who's likely been married before doesn't shatter this unwritten practice.

I presented evidence that your statement that there is a ceiling is incorrect.

 

[Shadow King]

I presented evidence that your statement that there is a ceiling is incorrect.

You presented 1 person who likely did not climb the corporate ladder as a lifelong bachelor in a weak attempt to disprove thousands of examples in the other direction.

Until you can acknowledge your obtuseness this is will carry on until the thread is locked.

 

[The ADD]

You presented 1 person who likely did not climb the corporate ladder as a lifelong bachelor in a weak attempt to disprove thousands of examples in the other direction.

Until you can acknowledge your obtuseness this is will carry on until the thread is locked.

When did the goal post move to having to be a lifelong bachelor? I though the standard was not married. Surely a divorced man is also not considered serious as a man who stayed in his marriage…..

 

[OSUBaneBrowns]

Every company, department, team or organization is going have to different guidelines when promotion someone. Being married may impact you in one role while it may not matter somewhere else. You cannot compare one situation with another because we don't know what the hiring person or team was actually looking for.

 

[Shadow King]

When did the goal post move to having to be a lifelong bachelor? I though the standard was not married. Surely a divorced man is also not considered serious as a man who stayed in his marriage…..

He's already shown the ability and/willingness to commit. We know women initiate the divorce 70% of the time because men have little to no incentive to do it for financial reasons.

The goal post moved when you decide to inject a disingenuous example.

 

[Prodyson]

You presented me with 1 exception without context and you think that disproves what goes on in hundreds and thousands of companies.

I know who's unserious in the conversation.


You're not following the "other discussions" but you jumped in to quote me saying it's more "rule" than not even if unspoken. So I think you are now following it.

More often than not, in this conservative culture we're in, they want the married man. 1 65 year old man who's likely been married before doesn't shatter this unwritten practice.

You quoted me first, not the other way around. So no I haven’t been following the other discussions. Only what you’ve said to me.