You Motherfukkers Will Be Playing Basketball in Pelican Bay - Warriors v. Pelicans Game Thread

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Bro....I give up

Or what about you just admit that Delly didn't clamp Curry and it was a concerted effort from all the Cavs players involved in focussing on shutting down Curry?

 

[G-Zeus]

Or what about you just admit that Delly didn't clamp Curry and it was a concerted effort from all the Cavs players involved in focussing on shutting down Curry?

i dont hear anyone giving steph and draymond credit for his help defense on lebron.. iggy gets it all..why? cuz he was the main guy in front.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

i dont hear anyone giving steph and draymond credit for his help defense on lebron.. iggy gets it all..why? cuz he was the main guy in front.

More often than not, Iggy was guarding LeBron solo. Delly wasn't guarding Curry solo. I already listed the shot attempts and who was guarding Curry above. This is why I said PGs can only have so much impact on the defensive end, because of picks putting the defending PG at a disadvantage (reliant upon help).

 

[Goatpoacher]

I was with you until there. Curry is the type of player that always needs a body on him(pause). He can be shooting like shyt for 3 quarters and then light you up in the fourth. You gotta always account for curry on defense.

Was a bad joke :JJ:

as evidenced by the :JJ:


Also, while Klay Thompson stunk up the entire playoffs, Curry was playing below his talent level for EVERY series. It had nothing to do with who was guarding him.

 

[G-Zeus]

More often than not, Iggy was guarding LeBron solo. Delly wasn't guarding Curry solo. I already listed the shot attempts and who was guarding Curry above. This is why I said PGs can only have so much impact on the defensive end, because of picks putting the defending PG at a disadvantage (reliant upon help).

so you are delusional

iggy got beat to the basket so many times.. lebron was scoring 40 on 40%fg

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

so you are delusional

iggy got beat to the basket so many times.. lebron was scoring 40 on 40%fg

Where did I say that Iggy didn't get beat to the basket? The point is, more often then not Iggy didn't have the obstruction of a pick when he was guarding Bron (relying on a second man to help), like Delly did. Again, PG defense - reliant upon a big or second perimeter defender to help out once you go over or under the pick.

And what the hell are you talking about Bron scoring 40 points on 40 FG%?

 

[G-Zeus]

Where did I say that Iggy didn't get beat to the basket? The point is, more often then not Iggy didn't have the obstruction of a pick when he was guarding Bron (relying on a second man to help), like Delly did. Again, PG defense - reliant upon a big or second perimeter defender to help out once you go over or under the pick.

And what the hell are you talking about Bron scoring 40 points on 40 FG%?

but he had 2 extra help.. curry was stoping lebron from driving by going for the steal forcing him to pass..and if he beat both curry and iggy.. draymond was waiting down low since you do not need to guard TT on the wings... he doesnt open up the floor...

from game 3 to 6 they ran this the whole time...

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

but he had 2 extra help.. curry was stoping lebron from driving by going for the steal forcing him to pass..and if he beat both curry and iggy.. draymond was waiting down low since you do not need to guard TT on the wings... he doesnt open up the floor...

from game 3 to 6 they ran this the whole time...

While that may be true, his defensive play wasn't reliant upon having another player consistently help out. With PG defense you need someone to help out, because of the constant PNR activity - that doesn't happen with any other player. The Warriors' halfcourt sets more often than not involve some type of PNR or Curry running off the ball - it isn't simply Delly guarding Curry straight up - which is why he didn't put the clamps on him because it wasn't really possible.

 

[G-Zeus]

While that may be true, his defensive play wasn't reliant upon having another player consistently help out. With PG defense you need someone to help out, because of the constant PNR activity - that doesn't happen with any other player. The Warriors' halfcourt sets more often than not involve some type of PNR or Curry running off the ball - it isn't simply Delly guarding Curry straight up - which is why he didn't put the clamps on him because it wasn't really possible.

so getting two helps means you can get the credits of *shutting down* someone because it's not like its one big help you out in PNR.. its two help on ISO...which is..how you defend iso.... and the switch is how you defend PNR...

but fukk it.. iggy can get the credit...della gets nothing.. ..even though he did the HARDEST part of the pnr defense....because it included not letting the switch happen but going over the pick..... something other teams couldnt do...

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

so getting two helps means you can get the credits of *shutting down* someone because it was like its one big help you out in PNR.. its two help on ISO...which is..how you defend iso.... and the switch is how you defend PNR...

You're overvaluing and exaggerating the help Iggy had when he defended Bron. Because it was mostly in the post.

but fukk it.. iggy can get the credit...della gets nothing.. ..even though he did the HARDEST part of the pnr defense....because it included not letting the switch happen but going over the pick..... something other teams couldnt do...

Iggy didn't shutdown Bron all by himself throughout the entire series.

Delly gets credit for HELPING limit Curry's production - he didn't do it by himself, which many on this board think he did. He had the luxury of going over the pick because he knew that Tristan/Mozgov/whoever would help him. It made it easier for him to make a decision. Again, a ploy from Blatt. If the Cavs didn't decide to swarm and hedge on Curry on PNRs, Delly would then be forced to decide on every possession on what to do (going over or going under) and Curry would make him pay either way because there'd be nobody to help him.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Delly didn't make him go 0-8. It was joint effort from the Cavs.

Let's review said game where Curry went 5-23:

Curry's first miss - Shumpert over the pick, with Tristan hedging hard forcing him to jack up a 3-pt shot late in the shot clock.
Curry's second miss - Tristan guarding him solo; Warriors role players not getting free - again, forcing him to jack up a jumper late in the shot clock
Curry's third miss - He actually loses Delly on this play (Delly caught behind pick from Draymond) but misses a wide open floater in the lane
Curry's fourth miss - Again, he loses Delly on this play (Delly caught behind pick from Ezeli - Mozgov doesn't hedge), but misses a wide open 3-pt shot
Curry's fifth miss - And AGAIN, he loses Delly on this play (runs around a screen and Delly isn't aware - Mozgov and Jones force him into a tough reverse layup)
Curry's sixth miss - Curry runs into corner and forces a step-back three - first occasion where Delly is actually guarding a miss shot
Curry's seventh miss - With three seconds left on the shot clock, Curry is forced to take a 3-pt shot against Delly with Jones hedging
Curry's eighth miss - Tristan is guarding him with the help of Shumpert and Curry is forced to take a shot just before the halftime buzzer
Curry's ninth miss - Curry with a transition 3 and Mozgov's extended arm is enough to put Curry off
Curry's 10th miss - Delly slips over and Curry gets the ball on a wide open 3-pt shot but misses
Curry's 11th miss - Thompson guarding Curry solo and he forces up a contested 3-pt shot
Curry's 12th miss - JR Smith switches onto Curry after Delly is caught behind a pick and he forces up a contested jumper
Curry's 13th miss - Curry forces up a contested 3 against LeBron as the Warriors are down by five with nearly a minute to go
Curry's 14th miss - Curry forced up another contested 3 against LeBron and Shumpert
Curry's 15th miss - Curry pump fakes Delly on a 3-pt attempt, Delly does well to recover but Curry forces another 3-pt shot
Curry's 16th miss - LeBron forces Curry into a tough layup in transition
Curry's 17th miss - Shumpert and Delly force Curry into a tough jumper with a few seconds left on the game clock - where the Warriors are by one point.

Video of all his missed shots - NBA.com/Stats

As you can see Delly only contested Curry's missed shots on three plays (which can be attributed mostly to him) - not this 0-8. This is why it's important to provide context with those stats, because they often give the miss to the closest defender in the vicinity and not if they actually guarded the shot.

@G-Zeus can you explain why you haven't bothered to reply to this?

 

[G-Zeus]

@G-Zeus can you explain why you haven't bothered to reply to this?

you actually prove my point.. you shows della chasing curry around and had to rush shots

your just not writing the whole picture making it look curry just casually misses the shot.. when its della.. but HEY when its the others... "TOUGH, OFF BALANCE, EXTENDED ARMS"

but della was erased just della everyone else had something to do with the misses

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

you actually prove my point.. you shows della chasing curry around and had to rush shots

DID YOU WATCH THE TAPE?

Curry didn't rush shots because of Delly. There were THREE instances where he lost Delly (completely) but missed open shots in that game.

your just not writing the whole picture making it look curry just casually misses the shot.. when its della.. but HEY when its the others... "TOUGH, OFF BALANCE, EXTENDED ARMS"

That's because there's only three plays where he's guarding him without any help on attempted shots. I even said -

Curry's 15th miss - Curry pump fakes Delly on a 3-pt attempt, Delly does well to recover but Curry forces another 3-pt shot

I mentioned how he recovered to contest the shot, so clearly I'm not just saying Curry casually misses a shot.

but della was erased just della everyone else had something to do with the misses

NOPE.

Delly had something to do with Curry missing shots - just not the amount that YOU and other make it seem. It certainly wasn't responsible for Curry going 0-8.

Again, do you not understand that that help defense on the PNR is just as important (if not more), than the PG defending that situation?

 

[G-Zeus]

DID YOU WATCH THE TAPE?

Curry didn't rush shots because of Delly. There were THREE instances where he lost Delly (completely) but missed open shots in that game.

That's because there's only three plays where he's guarding him without any help on attempted shots. I even said -

Curry's 15th miss - Curry pump fakes Delly on a 3-pt attempt, Delly does well to recover but Curry forces another 3-pt shot

I mentioned how he recovered to contest the shot, so clearly I'm not just saying Curry casually misses a shot.


NOPE.

Delly had something to do with Curry missing shots - just not the amount that YOU and other make it seem. It certainly wasn't responsible for Curry going 0-8.

Again, do you not understand that that help defense on the PNR is just as important (if not more), than the PG defending that situation?

I saw dwight giving great help and it still failed... Cuz curry was never bothered

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I saw dwight giving great help and it still failed... Cuz curry was never bothered

What's this in reference to?