You think Vado would've succeeded more if he just stayed with Cam?

[The Devil's Advocate]

Vado with Cam > Vado with Khaled.
I don't Khaled had what it takes to market a person like Vado c

oh i agree the music was better.. but if vado was making moves like that with cam, he'd have stayed

he dropped 4-5 mixtapes with him and another 5 alone... and it didn't amount to shyt

really he'd have been better off with rick ross or something... someone who didn't care too much about sales but would make sure he was everywhere as the next young fly nyc nikka

 

[Conscious Pilot]

This was like 5-6 years ago already

 

[SpacelySprockets]

the revisionist history in this thread

 

[SpacelySprockets]

cam ain't doing shyt with his own career.. i highly doubt he'd do anything with vado's

vado needed that dave east push.. get with a ny staple who was actually going to get out there and push him to radio and labels and shyt


low key he should have let angela yee manage him... bytch in the club every night and radio every day. she probably got more radio and industry connects than cam at this point

Cam WAS doing shyt with his career 5 years ago when he had Vado signed, him not doing shyt right now is a direct result of the Vado situation going sour after he put so much time and effort into it just for it to amount to nothing. He pushed him everywhere he could. Had Vado on the radio, on TV appearances, had him doing shows all over the coast, Vado had the ball and then dropped it. Cam paid a lot of money out of his own pocket to get Vado popping, and he DID push him to labels thats how he got signed to interscope in the first place.

oh i agree the music was better.. but if vado was making moves like that with cam, he'd have stayed

he dropped 4-5 mixtapes with him and another 5 alone... and it didn't amount to shyt

He made plenty of moves, he let people get in his ear and fukked up his career. Signing to somebody like Rick Ross wouldve got him nowhere but Stalley/Pill/Gunplay status.. the only successful artists Rick Ross has signed has been Wale and Meek Mill both who already had a buzz and core fanbase prior to signing to him.

 

[SpacelySprockets]

Cam & Vado shyt was buzzing in late 2010 / early 2011

he didn't sign to Khaled until 2013

all that time in between he was signed to Cam and ice cold sitting on the Interscope shelf / dropping irrelevant mixtapes

So lets disregard the fact that Hey Muma was all over NY radio from the summer-late 2011 and then Slime Flu 2 dropped at the end of the year and lets pretend Louis V Bag didn't make noise.
Lets act like BOAB 1 and 2 didnt drop in late 09-early 10 and when the XXL freshman list came out they didnt get backlash for not having Vado on the cover to the point where they tried to make it up by having him headline the freshman show. This is the same list that had Wiz Khalifa, Big Sean, Freddie Gibbs, and J Cole on it.


Lets act like BOAB 2.5 didnt drop later that year and pretend like it didn't make noise.

Thats almost 2 years compared to the few months u tried to make it seem like he was buzzing. Vado's buzz eventually fell off while he was still signed to Cam in 2012 but that only happened after they fell out with one another and stopped releasing shyt.

 

[I love Latina women]

No and for many reasons but I'll keep this short

1. Vado isn't a good rapper. Below average
2. Cam'ron had already fallen off and didn't have it anymore his damn self. So how in the hell was he gon help Vado succeed when he'd fallen off? lol

That era of them 2 doing those boss of all bosses mixtapes was bout as memorable as my last fart

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Cam WAS doing shyt with his career 5 years ago when he had Vado signed, him not doing shyt right now is a direct result of the Vado situation going sour after he put so much time and effort into it just for it to amount to nothing. He pushed him everywhere he could. Had Vado on the radio, on TV appearances, had him doing shows all over the coast, Vado had the ball and then dropped it. Cam paid a lot of money out of his own pocket to get Vado popping, and he DID push him to labels thats how he got signed to interscope in the first place.

He made plenty of moves, he let people get in his ear and fukked up his career. Signing to somebody like Rick Ross wouldve got him nowhere but Stalley/Pill/Gunplay status.. the only successful artists Rick Ross has signed has been Wale and Meek Mill both who already had a buzz and core fanbase prior to signing to him.

i understand what you mean... yes cam put him on, i'm not denying that. but by 2011, nobody was checking for cam like that except us underground heads

his last album had been in 09... nikka was making "where's camron" clips in the graveyards and shyt.. he was on alagarm digital records or some shyt



why would you not think going with a dude with #1 after #1 wasn't the better move.


you are right about one thing... it's all vado's fault though.. nikkas blaming khalid when it appears, out of Vado own mouth, that he was just lazy as fukk


“One thing with Khaled I appreciate, he focused,” the DXNext alum said. “You know what I’m saying? And he don’t slack. He don’t let me slack. You know? He focused. Like he’ll call me a million times a day just to get one thing done. Like that’s how much he on it. And then if I take too long he like, ‘V, I’m catching bad vibes V. Like what’s up, man? You know I don’t like to move like this.’”



what the fukk you mean "he don't let me slack... he calling me a million times for one thing"


you got your label boss calling you personally to get your ass to work and he gotta go back and call you 50 more times about it?

vado deserves to be exactly where he at right now... nikka hasn't had so much as a guest appearance on a track since 2015

 

[Mandarin Duck]

i understand what you mean... yes cam put him on, i'm not denying that. but by 2011, nobody was checking for cam like that except us underground heads

his last album had been in 09... nikka was making "where's camron" clips in the graveyards and shyt.. he was on alagarm digital records or some shyt



why would you not think going with a dude with #1 after #1 wasn't the better move.


you are right about one thing... it's all vado's fault though.. nikkas blaming khalid when it appears, out of Vado own mouth, that he was just lazy as fukk


“One thing with Khaled I appreciate, he focused,” the DXNext alum said. “You know what I’m saying? And he don’t slack. He don’t let me slack. You know? He focused. Like he’ll call me a million times a day just to get one thing done. Like that’s how much he on it. And then if I take too long he like, ‘V, I’m catching bad vibes V. Like what’s up, man? You know I don’t like to move like this.’”



what the fukk you mean "he don't let me slack... he calling me a million times for one thing"


you got your label boss calling you personally to get your ass to work and he gotta go back and call you 50 more times about it?

vado deserves to be exactly where he at right now... nikka hasn't had so much as a guest appearance on a track since 2015

So Cam was moving too slow and Khaled was moving too fast
It really is his fault at the end of the day

 

[NSSVO]

i understand what you mean... yes cam put him on, i'm not denying that. but by 2011, nobody was checking for cam like that except us underground heads

his last album had been in 09... nikka was making "where's camron" clips in the graveyards and shyt.. he was on alagarm digital records or some shyt



why would you not think going with a dude with #1 after #1 wasn't the better move.


you are right about one thing... it's all vado's fault though.. nikkas blaming khalid when it appears, out of Vado own mouth, that he was just lazy as fukk


“One thing with Khaled I appreciate, he focused,” the DXNext alum said. “You know what I’m saying? And he don’t slack. He don’t let me slack. You know? He focused. Like he’ll call me a million times a day just to get one thing done. Like that’s how much he on it. And then if I take too long he like, ‘V, I’m catching bad vibes V. Like what’s up, man? You know I don’t like to move like this.’”



what the fukk you mean "he don't let me slack... he calling me a million times for one thing"


you got your label boss calling you personally to get your ass to work and he gotta go back and call you 50 more times about it?

vado deserves to be exactly where he at right now... nikka hasn't had so much as a guest appearance on a track since 2015

fukkin idiot lol god damn vado

 

[Hardaway]

So lets disregard the fact that Hey Muma was all over NY radio from the summer-late 2011 and then Slime Flu 2 dropped at the end of the year and lets pretend Louis V Bag didn't make noise.
Lets act like BOAB 1 and 2 didnt drop in late 09-early 10 and when the XXL freshman list came out they didnt get backlash for not having Vado on the cover to the point where they tried to make it up by having him headline the freshman show. This is the same list that had Wiz Khalifa, Big Sean, Freddie Gibbs, and J Cole on it.


Lets act like BOAB 2.5 didnt drop later that year and pretend like it didn't make noise.

Thats almost 2 years compared to the few months u tried to make it seem like he was buzzing. Vado's buzz eventually fell off while he was still signed to Cam in 2012 but that only happened after they fell out with one another and stopped releasing shyt.

sf2 made no noise that shyt ended his career

 

[th_412]

Cam put Vado in a position to be a starter when he really only got like rotation player talent. Thats how I call it. Vado coulda signed with anyone but if you a boring ass rapper you a boring ass rapper.



I gave him a chance because Im a Cam fan and ill say he was aight on the BOAB joints, had his moments....but he just aint that interesting and listening to a whole Vado tape is to me at least.


he like a hybrid juelz/meek mill with a lil 90s mafioso era rap mixed in.....kind of a played out style. Rappin all loud about how fly he is and spaghetti dinners with the council at a round table shyt just weird

 

[Grizzly]

he needs better management and a better promotion team... dude just be releasing shyt and it falls right under the radar

 

[getmoney310cpt]

He shoulda made a video to "Large in the Streets" song had him a little buzz in 2010

 

[Redwing80]

Vado took the easy route and signed with Khaled. He should've taken his career into his own hands and he could've had a good thing going like his peers (Nipsey, Freddie Gibbs etc)

I went back to listened to Slime Flu 3 and that tape is amazing, SF4 wasn't bad either. He dropped the ball

 

[wizworld]

No. Cam doesn't care enough about music to help make Vado more relevant in the mainstream. Cam doesn't even care enough to make his OWN music relevant in the mainstream.

Everyone from that Most Hated crew all have the same issue. They are too generic.

Jae Millz - Once you get past the swag and presence, he isn't saying anything that you haven't heard before. His rhymes aren't memorable. You give that "No No No" beat to an established artist, they would've come back with a hit.

Vado - Vado is a little stronger in a technical sense of rapping, but still he doesn't have that thing that sets him apart from the pack. He also came out way too late Juelz made it because he seemed so lively, that dude really made cooking crack sound FUN. Think about that. See the first verse of "More than Music" for proof. And Juelz was more edgy because he was repping Bloods heavy, that's was a controversial thing at the time. Vado would have needed a focused Cam to work with him more in order to give his rapping that extra oomph. And he probably could have used Jimmy to give his image a little more edge. When Vado raps about street shyt, it doesn't sound believable. He seems like a cool dude who was around, but had a good head on his shoulders so he was never really in the mix. It's not a diss really, because that's who I was. But that's not marketable.

Charlie Clips - Dude has a dope voice and delivery, but he's been doing those generic NYC mixtape punchlines for 12-15 years. He was able to find a lane with battle rap, without that he'd still be waiting on Cam to call him back.

Vado ain't wack.... there's just not a MAINSTREAM audience for what he does. And his niche fans are people who don't buy records (2000-2005 era NYC mixtape fans).

Look at all the effort Dave East had to put into becoming more edgy. He's been rapping for awhile, but he's connected himself to that syrup, pills and loud wave of artists and it's helped him gain more fans.