Young brehs discuss the Gavin Newsom problem

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This.

I hate that I have to vote for him, but the ALTERNATIVE we've seen will destroy modern civilization.

As of now he isn't the nominee and we shouldn't treat him as he is. I'm not even sure if the leaders in the Democratic Party have much faith in him. The primaries should be stacked like 2020.

Even on the other side, I don't think it is a sure thing Vance gets it with the way Trump is handling things.

 

[Vandelay]

As of now he isn't the nominee and we shouldn't treat him as he is. I'm not even sure if the leaders in the Democratic Party have much faith in him. The primaries should be stacked like 2020.

Even on the other side, I don't think it is a sure thing Vance gets it with the way Trump is handling things.

That's fair. I just unfortunately see a middle age white male centrist democrat as only being electable for the next few years... if elections are even fair.

I think Vance is more competent than Trump, but not as popular. He'd just be the far right Newsom if he somehow won it in 2028. I absolutely don't want that.

 

[Taco]

Before we go there, let's start here...

Cali has had decades of an insufficient housing supply. Add that to NIMBY opposition to housing affordability and density, and now you have price escalation. That doesn't fall on the state. That's more of a local issue, as well as restrictive local zoning. Cities/Counties control land use, permitting, zoning, and service delivery. The housing underproduction has been running for 40+ yrs in the state, long before Newsome even considered running for office. But he has signed SB9 and ADU expansion into law, increased enforcement against cities that fail to meet housing targets, and authorized Project Homekey and HHAP grants to municipalities. So the "what he has allowed..." is a crock of shyt.

What exactly was smug? Cali had the most deaths due to COVID because of its population. Per capita numbers were lower than in FL, TX, and NY. While those ranged anywhere from the top to the upper half, the state of California was in the lower third. So that smugness saved lives. Cali locked down earlier and had higher metro vax uptake, which helped slow the initial spread (along with early statewide indoor mask requirements and establishment of large community testing sites in urban and rural areas), preventing hospital overload and giving time to expand testing and PPE supply.

I would respect you more if you just said, "I want to vote Republican, but I'd feel guilty or ashamed to admit so, let me find some BS reasons to say why I WON'T vote for a Dem candidate." You're woefully oversimplifying the choices to two moral extremes and treating participation in the voting process as purely transactional, and not reciprocal. You're choosing to ignore potential policy outcomes and to reduce voting down to some brand marketing-type shyt.


You don’t need to talk about the Right to explain him. Judge him on what he actually did...pushed for more housing, expanded healthcare to more people, led on climate rules, and kept COVID deaths lower per person than many big states. Agree or disagree all you want, but that’s the record. I’m

I had a pretty lengthy response, but than the bolded. Shaming for votes LOL I merely asked a question, but now I WANT to vote republican. Very MAGA like, if I’m not with you I’m against you smh. I’ll with hold my vote until the Dems put forth a candidate that benefits me and my loved ones. Voting blue no matter who is some cuck shyt miss me with that. Want discourse let’s start by not assuming someone’s motives. I’ll never entertain that, and if that pisses you off, sorry. Vote for who you think will benefit you whether that be right, left or independent. It doesn’t bother me. If you think Gavin will be good for the US by all means have at it. I don’t so I won’t vote for him. Im not gonna shame you for voting for him either cause who does that?! Yall treat this like a damn sport. You blind voters are literally just MAGA light. I think some of your points are great too, but I won’t engage in discourse with the childish assumption I’m voting red it’s disingenuous, and straight up disrespectful.

 

[FTBS]

The only problem is the current president being corrupt, dishonest, unhinged, unpredictable, and blatant with his unscrupulous bullshyt.

No perfect...or shyt even great...or shyt good candidate is coming. No candidate that gives a fukk about black folks is getting a shot. The best we can ask for is pre-Trump status quo of at least basic competence and the ability to speak and manage ones emotions in a fashion beyond that of your average kindergartener who isnt doing and saying wild, random, dangerous shyt daily.

 

[Bar Razor]

Nah. If you have a difficult time voting for whoever the democratic leader is, vs a Republican, I would appreciate it greatly if you can let your feelings known in this thread.

Try to post from a device that’s within your home. (Strictly for the purposes of verifying authenticity)

If Gavin is the nominee I’ll unfortunately have no choice but make no mistake we won’t neoliberal our way out of this and if he wins we’ll be setting the stage for President Tucker.

After the Epstein files showed we’re being ruled by psychopath billionaire pedos and their protectors/enablers. After Mamdani exposed the folly of vote blue no matter who when they still held him at arms length even when he was the nominee. After their always seeming to be lockstep with Republicans when it comes to sending Israel more weapons and the military budget when they can’t do anything else in a bipartisan fashion. And after losing 2 out of 3 to a moronic lunatic. After Biden brought on the careerist Garland who failed to go after Trump until 2 years into his term giving him the chance to run out the clock. He went after low level pawns first instead of the leadership. A fatal mistake and they all got pardoned anyway. Jack Smith said he had the goods on Trump. Might have been nice to get to work the day after Garland was confirmed you think?

We’re still accused of “purity testing” if we feel Newsom, who has shown he has zero willingness to go after them in the way necessary but rather genuflects before Bannon, Kirk and Shapiro to chase the elusive Republican vote that never seems to materialize in significant numbers is a terrible choice. Mad at us for being sick of the same warmed up candidate after many of us have been warning for over 10 years what would happen if they didn’t counter Republicans’ growing extremism. After the racism and obstruction under Obama they still talked about “my friends across the aisle” “we need a strong Republican Party” “for every working class person we lose we’ll get 2 Republicans in the suburbs” even as Republicans smeared Democrats as Godless commies at every turn.

Mad at us for saying only FDR v 2 and “I welcome their hatred” has any hope of turning this country around after 40 years of trickle down economics and Trumps fascism is done with it not more aquiescing to your goddamn donor interests.

The Democratic Party has its lowest approval rating in 30 years. And it’s not because people love Trump. It’s because they’re tired of the fecklessness and want a new direction.

Aplogists for the DNC don’t think of any of these things. Just blaming people who do.

And I’ve voted Democrat across the board for 20 years so I’m no both sider.

 

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As of now he isn't the nominee and we shouldn't treat him as he is. I'm not even sure if the leaders in the Democratic Party have much faith in him. The primaries should be stacked like 2020.

Even on the other side, I don't think it is a sure thing Vance gets it with the way Trump is handling things.

I believe that is too high of a risk because at that point you are just hoping people come out against Trump but he isn't going to be on the ballot. That's the playbook they ran three presidential elections in a row. Moderates in charge is how we got MAGA and I think we'll just get something even worse if we get another 4 years with a Moderate in charge.

The Dems get called Do Nothing Democrats for a reason and their approval rating isn't good. The reason they aren't changing is because the Moderates are addicted to the power and money they are making.

What I meant by Vance was I don't think he'll get the nominee. I would think the Republican primary would be packed too like it was in 2016

 

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If Gavin is the nominee I’ll unfortunately have no choice but make no mistake we won’t neoliberal our way out of this and if he wins we’ll be setting the stage for President Tucker.

After the Epstein files showed we’re being ruled by psychopath billionaire pedos and their protectors/enablers. After Mamdani exposed the folly of vote blue no matter who when they still held him at arms length even when he was the nominee. After their always seeming to be lockstep with Republicans when it comes to sending Israel more weapons and the military budget when they can’t do anything else in a bipartisan fashion. And after losing 2 out of 3 to a moronic lunatic. After Biden brought on the careerist Garland who failed to go after Trump until 2 years into his term giving him the chance to run out the clock. He went after low level pawns first instead of the leadership. A fatal mistake and they all got pardoned anyway. Jack Smith said he had the goods on Trump. Might have been nice to get to work the day after Garland was confirmed you think?

We’re still accused of “purity testing” if we feel Newsom, who has shown he has zero willingness to go after them in the way necessary but rather genuflects before Bannon, Kirk and Shapiro to chase the elusive Republican vote that never seems to materialize in significant numbers is a terrible choice. Mad at us for being sick of the same warmed up candidate after many of us have been warning for over 10 years what would happen if they didn’t counter Republicans’ growing extremism. After the racism and obstruction under Obama they still talked about “my friends across the aisle” “we need a strong Republican Party” “for every working class person we lose we’ll get 2 Republicans in the suburbs” even as Republicans smeared Democrats as Godless commies at every turn.

Mad at us for saying only FDR v 2 and “I welcome their hatred” has any hope of turning this country around after 40 years of trickle down economics and Trumps fascism is done with it not more aquiescing to your goddamn donor interests.

The Democratic Party has its lowest approval rating in 30 years. And it’s not because people love Trump. It’s because they’re tired of the fecklessness and want a new direction.

Aplogists for the DNC don’t think of any of these things. Just blaming people who do.

And I’ve voted Democrat across the board for 20 years so I’m no both sider.

This right here

 

[The God Poster]

My guy, and yes I red your whole post and I mostly agree, but have you NOT ever seen me post? I'm not even attacking this mothafukka, but I'm telling you he isn't exciting folks with say an FDR style of politics. I'm not talking far left, literally the Presidency that lead to restricting the Presidency to two terms.

You clearly haven't seen me talking to these knucklehead bothsiders and "They call us MAGA" when all they DO is criticize Dems and take weird ass right-wing positions. You are barking up the wrong tree if this is what you are getting from what I said. It's February 2026. There is room for a lot of people to step up between now and Spring 2027 when the challengers shape up. I said it and I will say it again: if he wins the nomination, I am voting for him early and i'm not feeling bad about it. I'm not excited about it. The people who should be talked to are the ones not excited who will choose couch. I'm here for the vote. I'm not sure what is being lost in translation.

That dummy is part of the problem. We give in & overwhelmingly vote dem based on pink promises. They don’t come thru & when it’s time to vote again we get shamed into the same playbook. The endless loop continues….


I get we need to get MAGA out the paint but then what? When we try to hold these politicians accountable it’s push back from the @Roger king types about now is not the time. The sad conclusion I’ve come to is unless everything is tore down & restarted we have no way out. Forever in an abusive relationship with no way out

We did this a few years ago & 4 before that….8 years ago etc

 

[TRUEST]

I believe that is too high of a risk because at that point you are just hoping people come out against Trump but he isn't going to be on the ballot. That's the playbook they ran three presidential elections in a row. Moderates in charge is how we got MAGA and I think we'll just get something even worse if we get another 4 years with a Moderate in charge.

The Dems get called Do Nothing Democrats for a reason and their approval rating isn't good. The reason they aren't changing is because the Moderates are addicted to the power and money they are making.

What I meant by Vance was I don't think he'll get the nominee. I would think the Republican primary would be packed too like it was in 2016

Obstacles shall be removed with spectacles aghast. Let he that believeth not, be embraced for the hour of the royals is upon us.

 

[Born2BKing]

Right wing grifters and charlatan, their is no newsom problem this guys are trump supporting grifters starting the psyops years in advance of the election because they know gavin is a strong contender to get the nomination, the goal is to promote apathy right from the outset like they did with hilLary and kamala, there is no issue with newsom, he will be a better president for black people and the country in his sleep than trump or anyone in the GOP would be, we cant play this fake concern bs games anylonger

The "tangibles" and "Reparations" crew are against the only presidential candidate possibly ever who is for reparations and would actually have a real discussion about it. shyt makes no sense.

 

[Born2BKing]

Explain to me how Gavin is a great candidate without bringing up anything on the right. What policy’s did he pass in CA that makes you think he’ll be a great candidate? I can think of only a handful, but the bar far out weigh the good in my opinion.

Alot of us vote blue because we don't want things taken away, not because we want certain handouts. Republicans are pro corporation and anti civil rights. Sorry if I prefer the party that the KKK and Neo Nazi's despise. It really doesn't have to be more complicated than that.

 

[Tribal Outkast]

We did this already, do something else

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

@Taco

I most certainly did not do what you're accusing me of for the reasons you're stating. I'm no Newsom supporter. I stand by what I've said before about the need to strongly criticize, and openly oppose his self-coronation. And how we're not getting out of this with centrism or weak-willed "let's all move forward together as Americans" politics.

I negged you because of the sanctimony. You're a Rogan/Elon defending, woke-whining culture warrior, pretending you have principles. You're already in the bag for the right, but acting like you're some enlightened "free thinker." That's annoying.

"He's a fukking delusional clown too."

You don't really give a shyt about productivity or whatever other bullshyt. Black people talking about racists/racism triggers your fragility. You sure as hell don't give a fukk about productivity when you're defending Joe Rogan or Elon Musk. Or downplaying racist shyt on here. fukking clown.

Get these racist fukking crackers pretending to be black out of here! I'm sick of this shyt!

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[Tribal Outkast]

Democrats have to have the perfect candidate.

Republicans will elect any old 87 year old fart in a suit with "R" next to their name

Who’s even next for them? They’re too busy talking about “Trump 2028” and shyt that they’re not even preparing for the future. None of them idiots running things now are scaring me. People may say Vance, but he could easily get Pence’d and forgotten about. I’m just waiting to see what happens when primary season starts

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

Alot of us vote blue because we don't want things taken away, not because we want certain handouts. Republicans are pro corporation and anti civil rights. Sorry if I prefer the party that the KKK and Neo Nazi's despise. It really doesn't have to be more complicated than that.

Right. And that’s the part I don’t understand about the “I’m not a bothsider”/“I’ve voted Dem down ballot for X amount of yrs”/“empty promises” types. fukk the last 400 days of this term, every Republican POTUS since Reagan, who from that party has made everyday existence for Black folks comfortable, not been a shill for Zionist's, not started wars, improved QOL, etc? The disproportionate level of scrutiny is insane. All I read on here is these types applying stricter expectations to one party while excusing or outright ignoring the other party under those same conditions.