Young King Condemns Murder Culture. 🙏🏿

[africngiant]

if you want all the attention and respect in this world just be evil

 

[VoxSphere74]

21 Savage couldn't even give what he thought was a COMPLIMENT to that community without having to apologize.

I remember that. I think it was during the whole Sterling mess that he let the secret out. He said Jewish people don't want you talking about them in any way shape or form. Complimentary or otherwise.

They want to be invisible and succeed without drawing attention to themselves.


Black people on the other hand as soon as they get any money, jewels, or success run to social media to brag about it. Needlessly drawing attention to themselves.

But on the larger point, whites don't tolerate even cracka being said in raps, negative comments being said about whites, cops, or white society in general.

However, the most vile anti Black raps imaginable are pushed and encouraged.

Also there was a rapper who said white execs told him under no circumstances could he have raps against cops because that would put in the minds of listeners anti-cop sentiment. They understood that there's a direct relationship between what you listen to and how you think.


But most Black people in the music industry don't get that music, tv, movies, etc....are propaganda. And most of the time it's anti-Black and pro-white.

 

[Positive Poster]

There’s a thread on the front page of this forum talking about how the image of Chinese people is that they’re all intelligent

Speaking of Jews, there is a debate to be had that the very Torah could be a book of spin to control the image of a group of foreign people that were kicked out of Egypt after infiltrating the royal/pharoah family, after first coming in peace. Moses and Joseph…….. The books also justifying their further invasion of other lands as promised to them

The European Jews later also saw that once their image was dehumanised they were food for any evil acts against them

The Royal Family in England exist also for the sole purpose of being an image of greatness for the people to be associated with

There must be something to this image thing

 

[Matt504]

I remember that. I think it was during the whole Sterling mess that he let the secret out. He said Jewish people don't want you talking about them in any way shape or form. Complimentary or otherwise.

They want to be invisible and succeed without drawing attention to themselves.


Black people on the other hand as soon as they get any money, jewels, or success run to social media to brag about it. Needlessly drawing attention to themselves.

But on the larger point, whites don't tolerate even cracka being said in raps, negative comments being said about whites, cops, or white society in general. However, the most vile anti Black raps imaginable are pushed and encouraged.

Also there was a rapper who said white execs told him under no circumstances could he have raps against cops because that would put in the minds of listeners anti-cop sentiment. They understood that there's a direct relationship between what you listen to and how you think.


But most Black people in the music industry don't get that music, tv, movies, etc....are propaganda. And most of the time it's anti-Black and pro-white.

If saying the Jews are good with money is problematic, what are artists who brag about spending 100s of thousands of dollars on jewelry saying about Black people's relationship with money?



We can get on here all day long and say that rappers are not representative of Black people and I'd agree, but the reality is that, people outside of our community don't agree and most of their interactions with Black people in media are negative. Whether that's in watching their local news, seeing how we're depicted in films, or seeing how we're depicted in movies.

Long before rap or even Blacksploitation films, white folk would literally paint their faces Black and pretend to be Black in films with the sole intention of advancing negative stereotypes about Black people. If I got on here defending that kind of content as entertainment right now, I'd be banned before sunset.

 

[Malcolmxxx_23]

If lil durk said “ama kill cracker”
Just imagine the outrage

 

[spliz]

21 Savage, a male that has innumerable lyrics glorifying anti-Black violence and degeneracy was made to apologize for a lyric that was ostensibly flattering to the Jewish community. He didn't get tough and ask why they couldn't see him as Denzel Washington playing a role, he didn't claim it was entertainment. He gave another people an apology that he would NEVER give his own people.

Jewish people literally runs the industry and therefore controls his income and there’s literal proof of artists and entertainers literally being cancelled by mentioning them. But ur whole shtick is to be disingenuous anyway.

 

[spliz]

Is music that centers around the murder of Black people, anti-Black in your opinion?

It’s not about killing people BECAUSE their black. So no.

 

[VoxSphere74]

Rap ain't influencing anyone into crime especially not at the rates you "rap bad" types are claiming, if it were so every suburb in America would be war zone.

People say this but Coca Cola, Burger King, McDonald's, Toyota, Ford, etc...still run ads and make billions annually because of it.

Not because people will run out and buy their product as soon as they watch their ads but because of brand recognition. So when you think about soda you think about Coca Cola. Fast Food? Burger King and McD's. Cars? Toyota. Or Ford.

Anti-Black raps do the same. It influences how you think about Black people and if you're Black how you're supposed to behave and most don't even think about it. So when you think of Black men you think "rap video images" "violence" "self destructive behavior" "showing off depreciating assets like cars and jewelry"

Because when you view Black men that's the context that they're viewed in. It's not as engineers, physicians, lawyers, stable fathers, business owners, etc..

It's as knucklehead street dudes engaging in idiotic behavior.

It's much more difficult to imagine what doesn't exist than to think about what you're exposed to on a daily basis.

 

[Ryze]

Jewish people literally runs the industry and therefore controls his income and there’s literal proof of artists and entertainers literally being cancelled by mentioning them. But ur whole shtick is to be disingenuous anyway.

Why do you think they would put a stop to even mentioning them regardless of the context but give anti-black music the go ahead?

 

[Matt504]

Jewish people literally runs the industry and therefore controls his income and there’s literal proof of artists and entertainers literally being cancelled by mentioning them. But ur whole shtick is to be disingenuous anyway.

Can you elaborate on how I'm being disingenuous because the only thing you've done in this post is further the point that Black artists are allowed to disrespect their own group while enriching someone else's?

You also claim that the content isn't anti-Black because of your understanding of the actual street politics fueling these murders. While I agree that Black people in Black communities aren't killing each other because they are Black, when this product is packaged for mainstream consumption, that nuance no longer matters. The end product is Black violence and dysfunction which is consumed and sponsored by white people.

Just like vaudeville shows, this content is carefully tailored to advance anti-Black stereotypes.

 

[High Art]

There’s of course a myriad of complex root causes for violence in society as a whole and specific to our community.

The actual violent offenders are a minority in both cases.

Can we at least agree however that the celebration and promotion of such violence en masse is an issue that needs to addressed?

What’s the problem?

Feel free to start threads on any of the causals for more healthy and rounded debate but for this topic specifically on the promotion of murder culture, what’s your view?

My main issue is that we are trying to declare something an issue when it is prevalent in only a minority of people through a mechanism through which we don't understand. Explain why we can't look at the people who are supposedly effected? Why is that such a terrible thing to do? Why is trying to figure out why some people are influenced by music where others are not such a terrible thing when people can't even pinpoint what aspect of the music is to blame? Is it the lyrics? Is it the beats? Is it the music videos? Is it the instagram posts tied to it? Some would say it is the entire gestalt of rap, the entire imagery such creates in which I would ask, how do we know other forms of media, be it movies and so on, won't have this effect? Where does this end? This is the problem I have with this. If one blames the music, the obvious next question, if one is being honest, is what other forms of media causes these issues as well? And that's another issue that bothers me. If we are going to be concerned about music, why aren't we concerned about other forms of media? This is why I can't help but feel as if the ideological center of these discussions is less about helping the community than anything.

If the concern is anti-black male sentiment, violence against black males that exists in these forms of entertainment, then why aren't the same people concerned about anti-black male sentiment in other sources, such as divestors and so on? At the very least drill makes it out to be issues dealing with opposing sides as opposed to the "original sin" of being a straight black male. "Are divestors preaching violence against black males?" Yes, and that's the problem.

My other, much more minor concern is the possibility of a slippery slope being applied to all of this, with others getting in on the effort, leading to the targeting of other forms of music that are not problematic in the least (next they'll claim rap influences people to be misogynistic, homophobic, and so on, ultimately being hijacked by racists to claim songs like "Nature of the Threat" and "Fear of a Black Planet" influence kids to be racist - we see how some act like teaching actual proven US history is now being declared as racist, how soon before such is applied to other forms of media - we see it in people declaring this and that as woke thus far). We already saw some of this with some people claiming this or that lyric from some songs are anti-Asian when in fact they were not yet the entire song got pulled.

I've presented these views in most of these threads so it's not like I haven't tried. As I've said many times before, if you're going to go after drill music, do it for the right reason and, even more so, do it in a manner that won't come back to bite you in the ass. All I am seeing is people who either are oblivious to what may come or really want their ass bit ( ).

In short, I don't think the music is the problem but I have no issue with getting rid/dissuading people from it of it but y'all aren't doing it correctly.

I'm not trying to attack you but I felt like getting a decent number of my thoughts out in one go in a condensed form.

Edit: In terms of doing it "correctly", one should be attacking the subculture, not the music since the subculture is the source and riddled with many things that can be criticized. This is why I tend not to defend the subculture since it should be criticized. Attacking the music is lazy and a copout.