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Social media is fukking the game up.

It was harder to compare yourself to the next man when you ain't have to see it.

"Social media" comes in various forms. Keeping up with the Joneses has existed since the early 1900s....around the same time television was starting to pop off. Jealousy is a human trait no matter how vast or minimal your view.
 

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I think many just feel out of place. Thats less likely to be the case in a NYC workplace because its a destination city. In my opinion, others are likely to feel unhappy because they are just not at where they want to be (location, employer, rank in organizational hierarchy/money, or even forced profession switch out of need) rather than whatever the inherent nature is of what they're doing. Add in the noted drag-in of home life problems to that concoction and that leads to the quantitative results of the article reflecting common sense

I agree.

I think there is a lot of job insecurity(which isn't age dependent) today, lack of real benefits, and the strains of living in increasing unaffordable society with little hope of meaningful wage increases.
The stresses arising from that would make any worker ill at ease.
 

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Chilling...

I've unfortunately never had the pleasure of enjoying the perks of being fully engaged at work. Maybe I'm lazy but I've been in multiple positions and none of them inspired me to really shine.

I don't think humans were ever meant to labor as we currently do. :yeshrug:

Humans have complicated life in many ways as they have made it easier.
 

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I don't think humans were ever meant to labor as we currently do. :yeshrug:
Whats the alternative..... people without work are more likely to be depressed, suicidal, using drugs and engaging in criminal behavior.

I think there is this unreasonable expectation that life is supposed to always be awesome and easy and we should never have to do anything we don't want to do. shyt doesn't and CAN'T work that way.

Not to mention the people who do the most whining are the ones who have it easiest. "Poor little me, I have to sit in a comfy ass office and pontificate on my purpose in life while occasionally doing work" :snoop:

It's not people's jobs that are depressing.... it's their lack of things they are passionate about; it's their lack of purpose; it's their lack of perspective and self awareness. Everyone in the Western World should spend some time in the 3rd world or doing some back breaking labor to get a fukking clue about how easy we have it. We could have been born in Nicaragua or Syria or North Korea. Obviously nothing is perfect but I'm happy as fukk to have a job and be in America.
 

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Whats the alternative..... people without work are more likely to be depressed, suicidal, using drugs and engaging in criminal behavior.

I think there is this unreasonable expectation that life is supposed to always be awesome and easy and we should never have to do anything we don't want to do. shyt doesn't and CAN'T work that way.

Not to mention the people who do the most whining are the ones who have it easiest. "Poor little me, I have to sit in a comfy ass office and pontificate on my purpose in life while occasionally doing work" :snoop:

It's not people's jobs that are depressing.... it's their lack of things they are passionate about; it's their lack of purpose; it's their lack of perspective and self awareness. Everyone in the Western World should spend some time in the 3rd world or doing some back breaking labor to get a fukking clue about how easy we have it. We could have been born in Nicaragua or Syria or North Korea. Obviously nothing is perfect but I'm happy as fukk to have a job and be in America.
Lol

What do you think humans are going to be "doing" in 200 years?
 

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Lol

What do you think humans are going to be "doing" in 200 years?
I honestly don't know if we will be around that long. And in any case I won't be here so I don't really see the point in mulling over that beyond saving the environment for them.

"What will humans be doing in 200 years" is the kind of question only someone with the luxury of a lot of free time would ask.
 

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Napoleon gets flak for being a hegemony ho and sucking off power at every opportunity. But if you're making the argument that "compared to people who have it even shyttier than you, you're doing good, be happy," you're doing the exact same thing by encouraging people to not challenge the system and those in power, based on the idea that things could be worse. That's a disgusting and disempowering position to take.

The same system that leads to hundreds of millions in industrialized societies leading empty, unfulfilling lives is the same system that creates brutal poverty in lesser-developed economies.

Jobs won't be necessary by the end of the century :shaq:

You're very optimistic about the direction of the world. :dame:
 

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Napoleon gets flak for being a hegemony ho and sucking off power at every opportunity. But if you're making the argument that "compared to people who have it even shyttier than you, you're doing good, be happy," you're doing the exact same thing by encouraging people to not challenge the system and those in power, based on the idea that things could be worse. That's a disgusting and disempowering position to take.

The same system that leads to hundreds of millions in industrialized societies leading empty, unfulfilling lives is the same system that creates brutal poverty in lesser-developed economies.



You're very optimistic about the direction of the world. :dame:
I'm optimistic because Millennials and younger generations are going to start a worldwide communist revolution and destroy the rich in what will be titled Revenge Of The Redistributionists (word to @GinaThatAintNoDamnPuppy! ) , while unemployment will drop to 0 in the near term as the disenfranchised are hired to round up the bourgeois and intelligentsia (word to @88m3). We will then send decendents of the rich to Stalin camps, and seize control of automation and AI, eliminating the need for 99% of jobs, as post scarcity arrives :blessed:
 
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I'm optimistic because Millennials and younger generations are going to start a worldwide communist revolution and destroy the rich in what will be titled Revenge Of The Redistributionists (word to @GinaThatAintNoDamnPuppy! ) , while unemployment will drop to 0 in the near term as the disenfranchised are hired to round up the bourgeois and intelligentsia (word to @88m3). We will then send decendents of the rich to Stalin camps, and seize control of automation and AI, eliminating the need for 99% of jobs, as post scarcity arrives :blessed:

death squads can solve any unemployment crisis

:salute:
 

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Whats the alternative..... people without work are more likely to be depressed, suicidal, using drugs and engaging in criminal behavior.

I think there is this unreasonable expectation that life is supposed to always be awesome and easy and we should never have to do anything we don't want to do. shyt doesn't and CAN'T work that way.

Not to mention the people who do the most whining are the ones who have it easiest. "Poor little me, I have to sit in a comfy ass office and pontificate on my purpose in life while occasionally doing work" :snoop:

It's not people's jobs that are depressing.... it's their lack of things they are passionate about; it's their lack of purpose; it's their lack of perspective and self awareness. Everyone in the Western World should spend some time in the 3rd world or doing some back breaking labor to get a fukking clue about how easy we have it. We could have been born in Nicaragua or Syria or North Korea. Obviously nothing is perfect but I'm happy as fukk to have a job and be in America.

This. I swear I deal with the biggest whining intitiled/upper middle class people They whine like they actually do shyt. While making a decent wage. It's draining to hear the shyt. Maybe I just have a great attitude. I don't know
 

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Whats the alternative..... people without work are more likely to be depressed, suicidal, using drugs and engaging in criminal behavior.

I think there is this unreasonable expectation that life is supposed to always be awesome and easy and we should never have to do anything we don't want to do. shyt doesn't and CAN'T work that way.

Not to mention the people who do the most whining are the ones who have it easiest. "Poor little me, I have to sit in a comfy ass office and pontificate on my purpose in life while occasionally doing work" :snoop:

It's not people's jobs that are depressing.... it's their lack of things they are passionate about; it's their lack of purpose; it's their lack of perspective and self awareness. Everyone in the Western World should spend some time in the 3rd world or doing some back breaking labor to get a fukking clue about how easy we have it. We could have been born in Nicaragua or Syria or North Korea. Obviously nothing is perfect but I'm happy as fukk to have a job and be in America.
:ohhh: sound like me :snoop:
 

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I read an article last year about "bullshyt jobs". Really a lot of jobs fit the description, you're not really creating value nor really providing a service to anyone, or whatever you and others are doing could easilly be done by less people and/or is not really necessary.

I'll try to find the article and read the one you posted more in depth, but there's a lot there about capitalism, labor division and the focus on "managing" anything. A lot of people spend more time managing their work, organizing it, giving feedback to bosses/stakeholders and following-up on things than actually doing the job.
 

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I read an article last year about "bullshyt jobs". Really a lot of jobs fit the description, you're not really creating value nor really providing a service to anyone, or whatever you and others are doing could easilly be done by less people and/or is not really necessary.

I'll try to find the article and read the one you posted more in depth, but there's a lot there about capitalism, labor division and the focus on "managing" anything. A lot of people spend more time managing their work, organizing it, giving feedback to bosses/stakeholders and following-up on things than actually doing the job.
i probably do like 10-15 minutes of meaningful work a day....Maybe an hour at most. I'm not complaining, pay is good. :manny:
 

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Napoleon gets flak for being a hegemony ho and sucking off power at every opportunity. But if you're making the argument that "compared to people who have it even shyttier than you, you're doing good, be happy," you're doing the exact same thing by encouraging people to not challenge the system and those in power, based on the idea that things could be worse. That's a disgusting and disempowering position to take.

The same system that leads to hundreds of millions in industrialized societies leading empty, unfulfilling lives is the same system that creates brutal poverty in lesser-developed economies.
I dont even know where to begin with this one.

I can get with wanting employers to provide decent pay and benefits. I think the state of healthcare and maternity/paternity leave in the US is deplorable for example. Everyone including the businesses lose. But this is ridiculous. Work can be, but is not REQUIRED to be "fulfilling", and if you derive your sense of purpose/wealth/fulfilment from your work IMO you are making a mistake. I derive my purpose from what I do for my family and my community. A job is just a means to that end.

I guarantee outside of work most of these whiny MFers don't do shyt. They probably just drink and browse Facebook. You want to have some purpose in your life? Volunteer. Take up a new skill. Form meaningful relationships. Do something worth doing with the time and energy you have outside of your job. That is ON YOU. You nikkas want some overarching entity to provide u with not just basic necessities, but now happiness and a sense of purpose :laff: Where does it stop.... do u want the govt/your employer to brush your teeth, dress you, wipe your ass, tuck u in at night? We have to take ownership of our lives at SOME POINT.
 

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I dont even know where to begin with this one.

I can get with wanting employers to provide decent pay and benefits. I think the state of healthcare and maternity/paternity leave in the US is deplorable for example. Everyone including the businesses lose. But this is ridiculous. Work can be, but is not REQUIRED to be "fulfilling", and if you derive your sense of purpose/wealth/fulfilment from your work IMO you are making a mistake. I derive my purpose from what I do for my family and my community. A job is just a means to that end.

I guarantee outside of work most of these whiny MFers don't do shyt. They probably just drink and browse Facebook. You want to have some purpose in your life? Volunteer. Take up a new skill. Form meaningful relationships. Do something worth doing with the time and energy you have outside of your job. That is ON YOU. You nikkas want some overarching entity to provide u with not just basic necessities, but now happiness and a sense of purpose :laff: Where does it stop.... do u want the govt/your employer to brush your teeth, dress you, wipe your ass, tuck u in at night? We have to take ownership of our lives at SOME POINT.

I don't know where to begin with this one either. This post, perhaps more than any you've ever made before in our interactions, shows that you woefully misunderstand what I've been saying for months. Not to mention it shows that you've never engaged substantively with Marx or other actual leftist thought.

Work can be fulfilling, yes. And I agree that, at least under capitalism, deriving ones purpose, fulfillment, or whatever else solely from work is a mistake. But people are alienated from their work under capitalism due to specific relations of production and the process of exploitation. Look at the language we're using here in the first place: we speak of "work" and "jobs" as means to an end (which they are), something distasteful that we have to get through to do for our families and communities.

I even agree with what people should be doing outside of work.

But don't ever get it fukked up.

I'm not saying the government (:scusthov:) or a company should be expected to, or can, provide a sense of happiness or fulfillment to people. That's a stupid demand.

What I'm saying is that it is up to the working-class to restructure society in a way that frees it from exploitation and allows for the full development of people as human beings. Part of that means abolishing superfluous/wasteful and distasteful labor, some of which would be done away with through automation, some of which would go because such jobs would have no function under different relations of production where production occurs for need, not profit.

Workers absolutely need to take control of their lives. And that's all I ever talk about when it comes to these matters on here. It's about the working-class exercising its power, taking its destiny into its hands, and restructuring society along just, humane lines as per its material interests. That's the task of the working-class. Fukk a "govt/your employer," it's not in their interests to take up that historical task, nor would they be capable of fulfilling it.
 
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