Your Porzingas Expectations - Write it in Concrete

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Let's all place our feet at the starting line instead of drowning champagne at the finish. What is your reasonable stat line for Knicks Pick Kristap Prozingas to be determined well worth being picked 4th in this draft? What would be the stat line of Kristap Prozingas that would show he's a bust? Give yourself a barometer & meet back here in a year & see if, like all other times, you have the weight to down talk this Knicks decision...
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"Knicks Lost" - Annonymous

"Yall will never win shyt!" - Unknown

"Knicks with another L!" - You


Best believe any & every Knick fan has heard these statements or variations uttered at them. From family to friends, coworkers to drunk bar-goers...hell, the rational Knick fans have said it to themselves on more than a few occasions. It comes with the territory...so much so that when a Knick fan has a child, he has to question whether it's child abuse to raise the child to take on that oh-so-painful burden.

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"sshh Knicks fan..it'll only hurt for another 42 years..."

Sometimes, regardless of how relevant or not the Knicks are, it seems that the entire sports world comes down on every decision, win/loss & acquisition the Knicks make. And each criticism slices through the air with reckless abandon, no consideration of its rationale or context. It - being unapologetic criticism -, for many of the Knicks critics, just feels like the right thing to do. You wonder who is at fault for this seemingly endless army of critical executioners. Are the main drivers of this un-apologizing criticism former fans turned sour by Knicks misfortune? Is the criticism a response to the perceived entitlement of Knicks fans? Is the "fukk the knicks" mentality stemming from some sort of basketball related insecurity? Or...are people just rational thinkers with valid criticism?

Well, the Knicks have...through all fault of their own, placed themselves in a very future altering, albeit shameful, position....

With the 4th pick in the 2015 NBA Draft.........The New York Knicks....Select.......
[With options of Justice Winslow, Willey Cauley-Stein, Emmanuel Mudiay, Mario Hezonja & Frank Kaminsky available]
KRISTAP PROZINGA.
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"Just don't look at the fans....Just don't look at the fans...Just don't look at the fans..."

Not even a millisecond of silence between the name rolling clumsily out of Adam Silver's mouth & fan reaction, an echoing "booooo" circled around the Barclays Center. Psychologically scared Knicks fans of yesteryear weren't surprised, a young Knicks fan cried(and took a seflie) & the Basketball brigade hollered like hyenas delighted with what they immediately stamped "another Knicks failure."

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Accountability." The easy answer to why the Knicks deserve a constant reminder of its ineptitude is because it seems the organization doesn't show accountability. However, the weirdest part of the equation has never been looked at. Why does it seem that there is a euphoric feeling one gets from digging into the typical "Knick fan?" Most fans have the same criticisms as everyone else, yet it's not enough for a critique to down the team...they down the fan. Well...

Now seems like the time for the critique to have some "accountability." Before you explain whether you gave credit to the Knicks for picking up Latrell Sprewell or drafting Timofy Mozgov. No need to prove that you weren't the one who sent shots at the Knicks for not matching Jeremy Lin's offer sheet. And please, don't attempt to explain whether you were co-signing the Crucifixion of the Knicks for trading away Iman-J.R Smith.

Let's all place our feet at the starting line instead of drowning champagne at the finish. What is your reasonable stat line for Knicks Pick Kristap Prozingas to be determined well worth being picked 4th in this draft? What would be the stat line of Kristap Prozingas that would show he's a bust? Give yourself a barometer & meet back here in a year & see if, like all other times, you have the weight to down talk this Knicks decision...

Be careful though...you don't want to look like an irrational Knick hater...:ufdup:
 

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He will do reasonably well, but will not satisfy Knicks fans that don't understand that it's not his fault and that it's the fault of the organization.

In a few years, he'll be packaged in some deal to a team like the Warriors or the Spurs and then he will become a great player in his own right and more than likely make the Finals or win a chip as a key piece to a contender.
 

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Breh... You know how I am with that team on 2k...Same way I had Chris Copeland get buckets on you...I'm going to "Xbox record that" & make a Spike Lee movie with his highlights. :win:
Spike Lee joint gonna be full of Frank the tank pulling Dirk fade-aways on whoever plays center on the Knicks

I got shooters now breh :umad:
 

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Although New York Knicks fans and perhaps Carmelo Anthony might see it differently, Phil Jackson says he was told that drafting Kristaps Porzingis could be a "once-in-a-lifetime" pick.
"When someone says to me [that] this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, I have to be alert," Jackson said of what Knicks basketball adviser Clarence Gaines Jr. told him and how Porzingis eventually became a Knick. "And [I have to] consider that after he's been in this business for as long as he has, I think he has as good of an eye as he has on talent."
Late last winter, Gaines texted Jackson from Madrid, where he was watching the 7-foot-2 forward play. Gaines, who was on the Bulls' staff with Jackson during their six championships in the 1990s, said he had an "eye-opening" experience.
That is how the process began of Porzingis becoming the fourth overall pick by the Knicks on Thursday night, Jackson said. While Anthony might be "furious" and "livid" with the Knicks' draft, according to what sources told ESPN's Stephen A. Smith, Jackson painted Porzingis' potential as too much to pass up on even if it may take longer than Anthony and fans might like for Porzingis to develop.
"Carmelo is always on my mind, he's our favorite son at this point in his life, and that's the way it should be," Jackson said of how much Anthony matters in decisions made about the franchise's future. "But the second-most important thing is what we do for this franchise."
"We anticipate it's going to be rough regardless of whether we have a 19-year-old KP or a 19-year-old whomever," Jackson later admitted. "They're still young players and have a lot of maturation to go."
General manager Steve Mills scouted Porzingis and liked what he saw in the 19-year-old. The forward will have to immediately put on weight and muscle because he weighs just 230 pounds, but the Knicks feel his skills can translate in the triangle offense.
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Porzingis, who averaged 8.1 points in 75 career games for Sevilla in the ACB, said he will work hard to turn all the doubters into believers. He heard boos the moment he was picked at Barclays Center on Thursday.
"Right now I'm a stretch 4, [but] I can step inside," Porzingis said after being introduced to the New York media on Friday. "I don't just want to be a 7-1 guy who's only 3-point shooting. So right now I see myself as a 4-man. For the future, obviously when I get stronger and I will get stronger ... I will be able to guard 5s and play the 5 position."
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"It's about strength," Jackson added. "We see Kristaps evolving, not use the word power forward, but maybe even center as he grows and matures in this game. So he's going to be able to play multiple positions because of his skill and the distance he can shoot the ball at."

http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2015/st...icks-first-round-selection-kristaps-porzingis

So Phil Jackson drafted him on future potential.
 

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Although New York Knicks fans and perhaps Carmelo Anthony might see it differently, Phil Jackson says he was told that drafting Kristaps Porzingis could be a "once-in-a-lifetime" pick.
"When someone says to me [that] this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, I have to be alert," Jackson said of what Knicks basketball adviser Clarence Gaines Jr. told him and how Porzingis eventually became a Knick. "And [I have to] consider that after he's been in this business for as long as he has, I think he has as good of an eye as he has on talent."
Late last winter, Gaines texted Jackson from Madrid, where he was watching the 7-foot-2 forward play. Gaines, who was on the Bulls' staff with Jackson during their six championships in the 1990s, said he had an "eye-opening" experience.
That is how the process began of Porzingis becoming the fourth overall pick by the Knicks on Thursday night, Jackson said. While Anthony might be "furious" and "livid" with the Knicks' draft, according to what sources told ESPN's Stephen A. Smith, Jackson painted Porzingis' potential as too much to pass up on even if it may take longer than Anthony and fans might like for Porzingis to develop.
"Carmelo is always on my mind, he's our favorite son at this point in his life, and that's the way it should be," Jackson said of how much Anthony matters in decisions made about the franchise's future. "But the second-most important thing is what we do for this franchise."
"We anticipate it's going to be rough regardless of whether we have a 19-year-old KP or a 19-year-old whomever," Jackson later admitted. "They're still young players and have a lot of maturation to go."
General manager Steve Mills scouted Porzingis and liked what he saw in the 19-year-old. The forward will have to immediately put on weight and muscle because he weighs just 230 pounds, but the Knicks feel his skills can translate in the triangle offense.
...
Porzingis, who averaged 8.1 points in 75 career games for Sevilla in the ACB, said he will work hard to turn all the doubters into believers. He heard boos the moment he was picked at Barclays Center on Thursday.
"Right now I'm a stretch 4, [but] I can step inside," Porzingis said after being introduced to the New York media on Friday. "I don't just want to be a 7-1 guy who's only 3-point shooting. So right now I see myself as a 4-man. For the future, obviously when I get stronger and I will get stronger ... I will be able to guard 5s and play the 5 position."
...
"It's about strength," Jackson added. "We see Kristaps evolving, not use the word power forward, but maybe even center as he grows and matures in this game. So he's going to be able to play multiple positions because of his skill and the distance he can shoot the ball at."

http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2015/st...icks-first-round-selection-kristaps-porzingis

So Phil Jackson drafted him on future potential.

Here is one of Clarence Thomas's Scouting Reports on Tim Duncan in 96

vs. N.C. State - 1/31/96 - Would be my #1 pick if he declared for the 1996 draft. Has really improved his strength. Surprisingly strong. Good structural strength. Fuller has had trouble denying him position. Holds the block in the low post and does a good job of moving Fuller out of the post. Good body--broad shoulders. Reach is such an asset. Excels at keeping ball alive on long rebounds. Great hands--catches/claims everything. Knows how to play on the offensive end. High basketball intelligence. Excellent vision and concept of the game. Rebounds at both ends--excellent traffic rebounder. Good at chasing down his own missed shots. Gets a lot of rebound tips. Love his temperament. Some critics say he lacks a mean streak. It may be true, but I think the competitive fire is deeply imbedded in his soul. So impressed with his rate of development--makes strides every time I see him play. His upside is so high. Head and shoulders above Fuller--big 6'10". Will be able to play center and power forward. Exceptional offensive skills--can play with back to the basket as well as on the perimeter. Low post game has really improved. Can run an offense through him. Will take it into the lane. Has a power go to move that will enable him to get to the line. Career 74% FT shooter entering his junior year. Has struggled somewhat this year (69%). Missed 2 critical one and one attempts in the last 30 seconds of this game. Wake was lucky to win. Has a right and left hand jump hook. Starting to set up on the right block, but he is not tied to either block. Excellent ball handling skills--plays with poise and has a tremendous presence on the floor. Handling double-team with ease. Recognizes the defense and delivers excellent passes to cutters and perimeter shooters. Makes excellent decisions. Footwork and balance have improved. Took Fuller anytime he wanted to--back down moves, step through moves and up and under moves. Comfortable at the high post. Can hit mid-range shot and averages 1 3-pt. shot per game(37.5%). Has go to moves--team made a concerted effort to get him a lot of touches. Level of aggressiveness was very good. Team had forgotten about him in previous loss against UNC. Good pursuit of offensive rebounds--works to get in position. Will outquick most big men to the ball. Has the ability to put the ball on the floor. Excellent defensive rebounder. Great hands and long reach allow him to claim long rebounds. Reacts and pursues ball on defensive end. Tips a lot of rebounds to himself. Defensive anchor. Anticipates well and protects the lane. Shot blocking abilities. Strong with the ball after a rebound. Hear rumors that he is considering playing another year at Wake. Really enjoys college life and promised his mother before she died that he would complete his education. Would seriously consider trading Pippen for his draft rights. SEASON STATS: 16g, 37 min, 58% FG, 69%FT, 38% 3 pt., 11.9R, 3.2TO, 2.8A, 4.1 Blk

http://t.co/KGp4FM7eEx

He's basically Phil's right hand man
 

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With his frame I don't think he can put on weight without becoming constantly hurt. Yao had a base. Dirk was wider. Both of them were killing their leagues from what I remember before they were drafted. This cat was averaging only 8 points in Spain.

Ceiling? If they could protect him on defense he would be a reasonable 4

Floor? Yi Jianlian. Just some foreign cat that people fell in love with because physical tools.
 

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If he plans on trying to be a perimeter player, I could forsee injuries bogging him down

Correct answer is nobody really knows. Anyone saying anything 'concrete' about him is just guessing

He obviously has crazy high upside, but also has serious, serious bust potential. Hes the ultimate high risk/high reward

If Mudiay or Mario turn into a superstar though .... OUCH
 
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