"You're shiit is garbage, whatchu tryin to kick.. knowledge?" - Did this line make kicking knowledge

[Soundwave]

*hits this thread with the flex*

 

[mr.africa]

it was just jay grasping at straws, if you ask me
jay being a nas stan, knew/knows that nas is/was the superior mc (when motivated) and thus was looking for chinks in the armor.
nas ain't perfect and there are definitely chinks, but this for me came across as jay just spewing some random shyt.

kicking knowledge was never 'really' popular and yet some people (like god son) continue doing it. that should tell you all about nas imo!!!

 

[seemorecizzy]

jay-z building up the courage to call nas's shyt garbage when by all accounts, hes a huge nas fan is what confused me the most about that line

 

[Wild self]

It was played out way before 2001, but that line was in general. Made all the dumb nikkas and the lyrically challenged rappers take over not too long afterwards.

 

[SunZoo]

jay-z building up the courage to call nas's shyt garbage when by all accounts, hes a huge nas fan is what confused me the most about that line

I am was and nastradamus was indeed gahbage, and this was before Jay hit his the period of having a wack/so so album between good ones...he was on a winnnig streak and nas was not.

 

[prophecypro]

I would argue if he was trying to make it seem like concious hip hop was uncool then the sideswipe of "If skills sold truthfully I'd be lyrically Talib Kweli" would resonate more.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

Oh really? The same nicca who openly admitted to dumbing down his lyrics to appeal to birdbrains and morons was an authority on who spit intelligent lyrics?

naS already called his stans stupid morons that love his dumb illmatic lyrics more than his more intelligent and eloquent lyrics on all his later albums. You got no leg to stand on fakket, naS thinks youre dumb.

 

[up in here]

I would argue if he was trying to make it seem like concious hip hop was uncool then the sideswipe of "If skills sold truthfully I'd be lyrically Talib Kweli" would resonate more.

but since he made a mil he aint rhymed like common since. Jay shytted on conscious hip-hop with that shyt.

as far as the kick knowledge line, i think it was initially just meant as a jab at nas, but all these dumb asses took it and ran with it (just like they run with the "smart dumb nikka" shyt) and whenever anyone says anything that is left field a bunch of dumbasses come with some "fukk outta here, you tryna kick knowledge" shyt.

jay may not have meant it but he definitely threw conscious hip-hop under the bus and opened the floodgates for a whole lot of anti-intellectualism in hip-hop (as if there wasn't enough already). its kinda sad too cause jay is obviously quite intellectual but the rappers who try to follow his "blueprint" just follow the gimmicky "hustler not a rapper" and "i dont write my rhymes" shyt.

 

[seemorecizzy]

I am was and nastradamus was indeed gahbage, and this was before Jay hit his the period of having a wack/so so album between good ones...he was on a winnnig streak and nas was not.

i am and vol 3 are on the same level
both so so albums by those guys standards
u cant tell me jay-z wasnt after hearing nas is like

at it was written being "nahhhh"

i dont think jay believed most of what he was saying
just trying to score points

 

[SunZoo]

i am and vol 3 are on the same level
both so so albums by those guys standards

I call bullshyt on that, Vol 3. got hate because it didn't really have the singles like vol. 2, it's actually a better overall album and still maintains his streak pre-BP2.

u cant tell me jay-z wasnt after hearing nas is like

at it was written being "nahhhh"

Let's not pretend that the perception of IWW being "nahh" started with Jay, nas actually lost some of his core fans with that album. nikkas acting like that was considered classic right out the gate are revisionist and don't remember some of the backlash that it caught.

Also in the context of those bars in particular, he said "one was....nahh" as in he considered calling it classic and decided against it, I'd say that his account of how everything looked to the average fan at the time was pretty accurate, which was his angle, breaking his career down objectively. IWW wasn't illmatic, and his mafiso character/hook was already being done and better by other people by the jump he jumped on it.

 

[seemorecizzy]

I call bullshyt on that, Vol 3. got hate because it didn't really have the singles like vol. 2, it's actually a better overall album and still maintains his streak pre-BP2.



Let's not pretend that the perception of IWW being "nahh" started with Jay, nas actually lost some of his core fans with that album. nikkas acting like that was considered classic right out the gate are revisionist and don't remember some of the backlash that it caught.

Also in the context of those bars in particular, he said "one was....nahh" as in he considered calling it classic and decided against it, I'd say that his account of how everything looked to the average fan at the time was pretty accurate, which was his angle, breaking his career down objectively. IWW wasn't illmatic, and his mafiso character/hook was already being done and better by other people by the jump he jumped on it.

it was written sold 2 million records
it wasn't deemed a classic
but pretty much everyone considered it a dope album
source gave it 4 and a half too when the mag was actually credible
a couple nerds that didnt buy albums were disappointed that nas wasn't there little secret anymore but thats about it

i do agree jay just said say shyt to try to appease the avg fan
but like i said, hes not the avg nas fan and he had to no that was he saying wasnt true

i dont care bout singles. vol 2 and 3 are both above avg JAYZ records (emphasis on jay-z records)
vol 1 better than both

 

[Wild self]

but since he made a mil he aint rhymed like common since. Jay shytted on conscious hip-hop with that shyt.

as far as the kick knowledge line, i think it was initially just meant as a jab at nas, but all these dumb asses took it and ran with it (just like they run with the "smart dumb nikka" shyt) and whenever anyone says anything that is left field a bunch of dumbasses come with some "fukk outta here, you tryna kick knowledge" shyt.

jay may not have meant it but he definitely threw conscious hip-hop under the bus and opened the floodgates for a whole lot of anti-intellectualism in hip-hop (as if there wasn't enough already). its kinda sad too cause jay is obviously quite intellectual but the rappers who try to follow his "blueprint" just follow the gimmicky "hustler not a rapper" and "i dont write my rhymes" shyt.

Yep, Hov in his prime had his stans aka his surrogate sons shytting on anything that had a bit of intelligence that didn't involve street or materialistic shyt.

 

[BulletProof]

Vol. 3 was awful.

 

[Mindfield333]

I took it kind of like how you look at nikkas in the barbershop when they talking about somebody illuminati

 

[Harry B]

Thats ridiculous....Even at the height of the beef, Jay would never say Nas is wack and sounds stupid on the mic. Jay was definitely pushing the "rap is about mass appeal not about deep lyrics" wave

I don't know about that, he's obviously not talking about 94-96 Nas, it's 98-2000 Nas "the prophet".

He's obviously saying 'watchu tryna kick knowledge' as in the conscious shyt Nas was spitting was not knowledge.

Like asking a Mexican who speaks bad english if he's speaking english, when you know he's trying to speak english.

Or in Jay's own words

Cause the nikka wear a coofie, it don't mean that he bright
Cause you don't understand him, it don't mean that he nice
It just means you don't understand all the bullshyt that he write