YouTube and the Let's Play copyright fiasco

[daze23]

What free advertisement? Like others have said, if you are looking up these videos then you more than likely have already purchased the product.

a lot of people watch these videos to get an idea of what the game really plays like. I know I do

but anyway, this whole 'situation' seems to be a mess now, with a lot of finger pointing and denials. I'm not even really sure what's going on yet

 

[Champion]

a lot of people watch these videos to get an idea of what the game really plays like. I know I do

but anyway, this whole 'situation' seems to be a mess now, with a lot of finger pointing and denials. I'm not even really sure what's going on yet

There's a difference between a clip a from a convention that shows live gameplay and those full blown walkthroughs of a game that are all over youtube.

What I want to know is how these videos are getting views to begin with. What happened to just figuring a game out? Gaming is already dumbed down and filled with hand holding..

 

[daze23]

There's a difference between a clip a from a convention that shows live gameplay and those full blown walkthroughs of a game that are all over youtube.

What I want to know is how these videos are getting views to begin with. What happened to just figuring a game out? Gaming is already dumbed down and filled with hand holding..

people don't just watch "lets plays" because they're stuck in a game and need help. that is a strawman

 

[Kingshango]

There needs to be a Youtube successor fast, too bad everyone and their grandma goes to Youtube despite it being shyttier and shyttier as time goes by.

 

[SuikodenII]

Nintendo Enthusiast explains that the Content ID sweep adversely affecting Nintendo vloggers wasn't actually caused by the company at all; in fact, its YouTube's doing following an update to its policies.

The rules were apparently rewritten following legal issues between the National Music Publishers Association an multichannel network Fullscreen. Ever since then, YouTube has been filtering all its videos through a Content ID matching sweep that, given the colossal number of videos on the platform, is still ongoing even now.

Bad times for lots of people who make video game related videos......bad times....

 

[winb83]

Exactly.
People are trying really hard to defend this but I don't understand why. They're making a profit off of another company's product without any type of license or agreement.

@winb83 The thing is, they can sue. Imo they would probably end up getting some cash out of it due to the company not wanting negative press associated with this despite having every reason to stop this.

if you buy Visual Studio and write code using Microsoft's software is Microsoft entitled to a cut of the program you create using their software?

i get what you're saying but you can use copyrighted material without permission if its for fair use. the question is would a Let's Play be fair use? that question hasn't been answered because nobody has gone to court and set the precedent.

while a video game company may own the code of the software and the files on the disc do they in fact own your interaction with that software? if you record yourself interacting with that software can a video game company claim ownership of that recording? mind you that you already paid them for the software. see with a movie the content isn't interactive so if you recorded yourself watching movies and talked over them you aren't interacting with the movie with a video game if you sit a camera in front of it and don't interact with it then i'll just go through a title screen loop.

Bad times for lots of people who make video game related videos......bad times....

Nintendo had Youtube enter their copyrights into the automated system and its matching against uploaded playthroughs. Nintendo is basically sitting on it. they don't want to get anymore negative press so they're doing nothing. people have appealed and they aren't responding or releasing the content id matches.

I was wrong in some instances of what i said because many publishers aren't asking for this or enforcing it but Nintendo asked for it. they don't want gamers monetizing off their games and they tried this before and people shytted on them so they backed off. now that Youtube is tightening up the system and getting stricter Nintendo is content letting Youtube take the heat for it.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

while a video game company may own the code of the software and the files on the disc do they in fact own your interaction with that software? if you record yourself interacting with that software can a video game company claim ownership of that recording?

Outstanding point winb

 

[Champion]

I think people are overlooking the fact that many of the people that upload these videos are usually asking viewers to subscribe to their channel in some way because that's where they make a profit.

if you buy Visual Studio and write code using Microsoft's software is Microsoft entitled to a cut of the program you create using their software?

i get what you're saying but you can use copyrighted material without permission if its for fair use. the question is would a Let's Play be fair use? that question hasn't been answered because nobody has gone to court and set the precedent.

while a video game company may own the code of the software and the files on the disc do they in fact own your interaction with that software? if you record yourself interacting with that software can a video game company claim ownership of that recording? mind you that you already paid them for the software. see with a movie the content isn't interactive so if you recorded yourself watching movies and talked over them you aren't interacting with the movie with a video game if you sit a camera in front of it and don't interact with it then i'll just go through a title screen loop.


Nintendo had Youtube enter their copyrights into the automated system and its matching against uploaded playthroughs. Nintendo is basically sitting on it. they don't want to get anymore negative press so they're doing nothing. people have appealed and they aren't responding or releasing the content id matches.

I was wrong in some instances of what i said because many publishers aren't asking for this or enforcing it but Nintendo asked for it. they don't want gamers monetizing off their games and they tried this before and people shytted on them so they backed off. now that Youtube is tightening up the system and getting stricter Nintendo is content letting Youtube take the heat for it.

You can list all these hypothetical scenarios but the fact of the matter is that they ARE getting paid and more than likely aren't turning down the profits they get from what they are doing.

 

[Champion]

Outstanding point winb

Not really.
A reason for watching the video could be to see the content. An uploader could just as easily not show the game content while talking about the game.

 

[winb83]

Not really.
A reason for watching the video could be to see the content. An uploader could just as easily not show the game content while talking about the game.

Video games are interactive by nature. When you sit at home and play your game console while a company might own the rights to the software do they own the rights to what you're doing with it? Even if they do have some rights do they own the rights to you? As an individual you are a part of that video and you created it. How can you justify them saying some of the video contains copyrighted content so you being a part of it is irrelevant and we as a company get 100% of the profits of a video containing a game you paid us a license fee to use and recorded yourself using.

Just because you wrote the code doesn't entitle you to total ownership of an end user's use of the code they paid you to use.

 

[LucaBrasi]

it's like free advertisement. If anything it should help sales of good games. I dont get the response by companies.

just old suit and ties disconnected from reality.

remember when everyone freaked out about Napster?

meanwhile instead of freaking out Apple created a marketplace online to counter it, and have made billions off it

smarten up game companies

Why do you think Sony is pushing the whole share and live streaming aspect of the PS4 so much?

Like duke said before me today we don't just play we comment and share too and Sony IMO is ahead of the curb in that regard

 

[Audible101]

Video games are interactive by nature. When you sit at home and play your game console while a company might own the rights to the software do they own the rights to what you're doing with it? Even if they do have some rights do they own the rights to you? As an individual you are a part of that video and you created it. How can you justify them saying some of the video contains copyrighted content so you being a part of it is irrelevant and we as a company get 100% of the profits of a video containing a game you paid us a license fee to use and recorded yourself using.

Just because you wrote the code doesn't entitle you to total ownership of an end user's use of the code they paid you to use.

Stop talking about rights to this or that. The only right you have is to 'buy' that game 'play' and possibly sell it. You may not extract content from the game edit it then upload it too and make money. If you use game content then surely whoever made that game deserve a fair cut right?

I could make the argument about movies where would you draw the line? It is rather intricate that line of legal and not legal.

Like i said earlier im all for youtube people getting money and promoting games. It is beautiful really. But if you going to make money of ads then the game devs, and youtube deserve a cut plain and simple.
This issue is rather complicated and youtubes method for dealing with it is unfair and dumb. Some people live off it and if they have bad luck some random will just flag their video and down it goes. Does not even need to be the real copyright holder how fukking unfair is that!

 

[Pimp]

I don't think call of duty would be half the game it is now without the YouTube commentators. These publishers are reaching into something they should not be in.

 

[Ikwa]

If I buy a product then I can do whatever I want with it, don't care what the license says

Now they trynna stop people from making videos about a product they purchased? No wonder piracy is so popular.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Na fukk that, these bums were living high off the hog making money off shyt they had nothing to do with creating. It was cool for them while it lasted, time for them to move on.